The Sad Truth about TFA and Its Defenders



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM2zcv5AfaM&feature=youtu.be

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Virgin.

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Member when Star Wars was something great and magical?

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Oh it is still something great and magical, TFA is NOTHING like ANH, in ANH we never saw behind Vaders mask but in TFA we do, in ANH it was Tatooine but in TFA it's Jakku, in ANH we had the death star, in TFA we have Starkiller Base which is completely new and original. And besides don't all Star Wars movies and Indiana Jones movies "follow a formula". I have realized from reading these message boards that I am nothing more than a silly hater and that The Force Awakens is a completely new and original movie and is nothing like A New Hope.

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Hippo, for someone who seems to cherish originality (which A New Hope is not, as you know), you sure do like to post the same crap over and over and over.

See, that's why you're a hypocrite troll without enough brain power to say anything real or make actual conversation.

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Why does it matter to you so much that everyone loves TFA? Are you really that insecure with yourself?

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In the Prequel Trilogy and the Original Trilogy we see a character grow from start to finish. In the Disney Trilogy we see no growth of character. Lucas followed his own formula in the 6 movies while Disney abandoned it to make the character a Sue, in this case, a Mary Sue.

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The only way that I could see this franchise being redeemed is if Rey is killed off and it turns out that The Force Awakens was just teasing us with the idea that Rey was going to be the hero of the trilogy when in reality it is Luke again. I somehow don't see that happening though.

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One can only wish that were true.

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I remember! The last time was December 2015.

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I think you are confusing December 2015 with May 2005.

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I think you are thinking of May 1977.

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Well unfortunately I wasn't alive then so for me the last time it was magical was May 2005.

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Oh, I wasn't either. I can't believe its been that long since the last real Star Wars movie.

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Even "A New Hope" was a throwback movie that referenced works from Lucas' childhood, and took liberally from Flash Gordon, the main inspiration.

Thus, the video, and its point, is flawed to the core.

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What plot points and characters did Lucas steal from Flash?

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Probably the worst excuse I have ever heard in defense of TFA was when I pointed out that starkiller base was just Death Star III someone says “well at the end of the day Star Wars is really just about destroying giant planets sized weapons”

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That's silly! We all know it's about glowing swords and space muppets.

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You people here are fuking crazy.

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first sensible thing ive read on this board

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Those who were in denial about TFA & gave it a pass merely reaped what they sowed with TLJ.

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Its a good entertaining movie , the majority of people that watched it enjoyed it a d rated it highly , it has a high score on imdb , it has a 86% audience score on RT and set up what could of been a good trilogy but unfortunately Rhian Johnson blew it big time

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You are entitled to like it as much as you want but those of us who saw TFA for the cheap pile of disjointed, plagiarized garbage that it was were not surprised that the mess could not be salvaged in TLJ & we're all seeing the results..

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Explain, why was it garbage to u ? What did u want ?

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I am surprised by this question, hasn't the criticisms those that disliked TFA voiced been made clear at this point?

I'll sum up the main complaint: 1. Boring, rehashed plot that took the best parts of the original film and made them worse in terms of pacing and plot (way too many plot conveniences and too many things were copies of the original but less interesting, Tell me you think Jakuu is a more interesting Planet than Tatooine).
2. Underwhelming characters with weak backstories that are not likable enough to pass the torch to.
3. Original characters under used and when used were abused (Han deadbeat, Leia crappy leader, Luke absent). 4. Tired cliche and empty mystery box gimmick.
5. Rey being too overpowered, too skilled and too well like by other characters without proper reason or explanation (Mary Sue term is an appropriate descriptor)
6. Unfilled gap in between end of ROTJ and TFA (including the origins and source of power of Snoke and First Order).
7. General overall issues with editing choices (Such as odd timing of relieving Kylo's parentage which should have been saved for the moment on the bridge when Kylo kills Han) and mediocre CGI.

What I and I think most like me would have accepted is a story that started off with the main heroes being in a good position but by the end are either dead or failed to prevent a new conflict those leading to a passing of a torch to a new generation or at least beginning to pass the torch. If they wanted a character like Rey to be the 'main' hero to take the burden of the torch and they wanted her to start out already mostly skilled they needed a backstory to match it

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