Human rights - Al midan (2014) Discussion

The rape and sexual assaults weren't documented either.

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[–] Pzachlen 10 years ago

Exactly, that too. and it's gotten an oscar nomination? what a joke.

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do you expect a 90min film, one film, to cover absolutely everything? The filmmakers followed 3 people specifically, it's a not a film that was supposed to cover all events about everything with one narrator telling the story.

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[–] Pzachlen 10 years ago

That is a ridiculos comment. They made this film with clear agenda.And human rights did not fit .

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[–] adamcrossstills 10 years ago

and what agenda would that be?...

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[–] Pzachlen 10 years ago

I don't answer morons

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[–] adamcrossstills 10 years ago

oh, right. So basically you have no idea what you're talking about. bye.

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[–] MassDistraction 10 years ago

No, please. I'm dying to know what you think the clear agenda of this film is and how it runs counter to the human rights movement.

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[–] Destroyah22 10 years ago

me too, this was a great way to start people in on learning more and not being ignorant to what is going on in the world

i watch waaay to many movies >.<

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[–] Grizzleberries 10 years ago

what the hell are you talking about? Torture was shown many times throughout the film, and the one Egyptian was being sodomized with a rod in one scene. I found that sodomy video terrifying by the way. But, I felt the few depictions spread throughout the film were enough to get the point across. I don't need it shoved in my face, to understand that human rights abuses are occurring in Egypt.

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[–] eriktherandom 10 years ago

I hope you realize that not every issue can be covered in every documentary. Rape and repression of homosexuals is prevalent in every culture in the world. That doesn't strip it from being a human rights issue, but to be upset and call this film "propaganda" over the simple fact that it doesn't cater to issues that have been shown multiple times in other documentaries is simply nonsense.

I understand how people could be upset by the lack of mention, I myself was surprised a bit when nothing was said, but at the same time it does open your eyes to many of the problems facing Egypt today.

We seem to have this idea that rights for homosexuals are rampantly coming to light and being fixed, but the sad reality is that it's an EXTREMELY slow progression that is still far behind the times, and this isn't just in the Middle East, this is prevalent even in the United States.

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[–] Pzachlen 10 years ago

There will always be homophobic people , however there is a great difference in distancing your self from gays and executing them. I don't get how a film maker can structure a film about the injustices of a people without showing their own.It would be like making a documentary on Germany in the 30's and 40's without mentioing Nazi's and their atrocities.

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[–] Tnushi 10 years ago

I'm an Egyptian revolutionary girl myself, & I see that the movie has covered a lot of the aspects & struggles we make in this revolution. But I admit, as I'm a girl, the movie didn't cover what girls have to face as prejudice & sexual assaults during the events of this revolution, but I wouldn't expect a single documentary to cover everything. Actually, the amount & issues the documentary has already covered about our revolution is big enough. Maybe other documentaries will cover other subjects.

& BTW, homosexuals are not persecuted in Egypt, only demonstrators & leader revolutionary activists are. 'Cause homosexuals in Egypt don't even show their sexual attitude, so nobody knows about them...

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[–] trupodur 10 years ago

Hi from rebellious Kiev!
My question is: don't you think the Muslim Brotherhood's role during the 1st developmental phase has been toned down (presumably to get more sympathizers among the western islamophobic watching audiences)?
As far as I remember the MB has been constantly mentioned in the newsclips at the beginning of the Midan movement.
Sorry for diversion (well, the original topic is totally laughable anyway:)

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[–] wrastelli 10 years ago

Yeah, I think maybe it could have been more explicit on the "narrative" but I also think it's coherent in the way the little group of revolutionaries lives the revolution and that's the movie theme.
They all feel "one hand" at this point and so Magby religious facade is downplayed at first, by the rebeles and by the movie.

Good lucky for you people in Kyev

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[–] Tnushi 10 years ago

OMG Ukraine is our model now here in Egypt, as revolutionaries here we pray that we get to fight military authority here as you inspiringly do with your Russian-dependent gov.
Well, you're right about toning down the achievements of MB last year, & you're right also about MB participating in the beginning 18 days of the revolution (only for their own power interests, as we found out later), but the real problem was about how they were constantly substituting former regime personnel with MB personnel to form another dictatorship, only different from its former with its Islamic rhetoric that pictures their regime as being a victory for Islam, & anyone who opposes them is an infidel who fights Allah's order!
Also several revolutionaries were killed by MB & their supporters while demonstrating against their rule, & although the number of casualties were much fewer than military regime casualties, we didn't start this revolution to choose between a killer & a worse killer, we're demanding a true civilian democracy, that respects the life of any single Egyptian citizen, & share power with all political forces. We certainly don't want the continuation of the military regime, neither do we want to substitute it with a theocratic dictatorship!

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[–] liberandosth 10 years ago

man... you kind of sound like an idiot, and apparently you missed the point of this documentary entirely. It is about revolution. It is about about a people opposing an oppressive government and military and witnessing this revolution through the eyes of its instigators. Gay rights is an issue for an entirely other documentary, adding that issue to this film, as egregious an issue as it may be, would be distracting and divergent from the point.

A documentary is still a narrative and to tell a proper narrative you have to be concise. There is no way to adequately incorporate and discuss the issue of gay rights with as much depth as it deserves and still potently display the films main focus of witnessing the revolution through the eyes of its people.

Oh, and by the way, humanity is subjective. Every one and everything has a propaganda. Saying this film is propaganda is irrelevant. Use your head man.

I am not drinking any *beep* merlot!

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[–] BigFatLou 10 years ago

The OP's remarks are ridiculous. The Egyptian Revolution of 2011 was political, not sexual. A film about the Revolution cannot delve into every aspect of Egyptian society.

You might as well chide Martin Luther King, Jr. for not speaking enough about gays.

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[–] Pzachlen 10 years ago

You people are so quick to label things. This may be Gay rights to you but it is political and human rights .When do you morons equate Sexuallity with Being Gay.It that all you see where gay rights ar concerned, Theie sexuallity? Well then YOU HAVE A PROBLEM. As for MLK , if he saw today what a large portion of black culture has become he would realize that big wonderful dream of his has turned into a nightmare.

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[–] renegade916 10 years ago

As a gay man myself, where the *beep* are you getting all of this from OP? LGBT rights are not the reason for any of the turmoil in Egypt. In fact, in comparison to other Middle Eastern countries, gay people don't face nearly as much scrutiny in Egypt as they do in other countries.And gay men are being arrested in Egypt? Right now? For homosexuality alone? I'd like at least 10 different sources please. I would believe you if you had said another country that likes to use LGBT people as a scapegoat for its failing government like Iran, Pakistan, or Russia. But Egypt? Where there is a full blown revolution going on? No. But again...if you can attest to it, by all means, provide us with sources.

The revolution in Egypt is all about bringing down a tyrannical regime and an end to all human rights violations, not just one particular group. I suggest you do a little more research before running off at the mouth. And as someone above stated, there is absolutely no way the makers of this documentary could have covered each and every single aspect of the governments crimes against individual groups. Do you even know what kind of risks they had to take to even cover this small portion? Or are you just being willfully ignorant and claiming offense to be an annoying little twat?

I'm always dragging that horse around...

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[–] mnoe 10 years ago

I guess instead of cited sources from the OP we are getting ... the sound of crickets.

I really liked this documentary. It was wonderful to come here to the message boards after watching it to find threads with informed participation, and sensible people to answer the trolling dolts.

last 2 views: The Dark Past (1948) & Follow Me Quietly (1949)

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[–] SMORacka 10 years ago

You have a one-track mind because Muslims were also being persecuted in Egypt and that was not totally addressed.

As Ahmed put it, this was not about finding a leader, but finding a conscience.

Gay or straight, man or woman, Muslim or Christian, we are ONE and deserve to be treated civilly and with humanity.

One of the most shocking parts of this movie was seeing Ramy's back after his arrest. I almost screamed when I realized it was a person's body. The revolution was more than gay rights - it was about have the conscience to treat ALL people as human beings.

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[–] Destroyah22 10 years ago

brilliantly stated

i watch waaay to many movies >.<

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