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If the witches want male soliders, why posess Katie in the first PA?

posted 10 years ago by amplifyourgrief
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From what I'm getting, the witch coven is gathering and possessing first born males from across the world to create their "dark army" or what have you. I know that Katie was related to one of the witches, but why was she possessed? She's not a male, although she was a first born.

Is it because Hunter had not fully matured enough to be possessed, but he was marked in the womb to eventually be part of the army, so they just had to work with what they had with Katie? I haven't seen all of the movies back to back, so I could be forgetting something, but it really doesn't match up.

Also, how does Ali know everything that she knows?

[–] luchiville 10 years ago

Katies Grandma is a witch and part of a coven that has made a pact with a demon, for first born males in return for wealth and power. The first born male in Katies Grandmothers family was hunter, and we learnt in Paranormal activity the marked ones that these first born males are marked for possession while still in the womb. Once these males are matured they will go through rituals, the first one takes place at age 6 and a final ritual takes place at age 18 where the male will become fully possessed and a permanent host for the demon.

Based on Paranormal activity 3 when Katie and her sister kristi are only young it's implied at the end that kristi was going to be involved in some sort of ritual were she was a bride and in her own words she was getting married to Toby.

When she's older in Paranormal activity 2 and she gives birth to Hunter, this is the first born male in the family which has been promised to the demon, slowly we see kristi becoming possessed and she basically stands guard of hunter and won't let anyone near him. This is because Hunter is not of age yet, because as we learn in future installments the demon has to wait until the child has matured. So the demon has possessed kristi and will guard him till he is of age. The family realise something is wrong with her though and perform a ritual to rid her of the demon, but the ritual will only send the demon to a family member, which happens to be Katie.

They perform the ritual and this is the reason Katie is being haunted in the first one. So for the demon to get back on track with the plan it slowly haunts Katie till it is able to possess her, once it can possess her the demon uses her to return to Hunters house and kills the family, for getting in the way and kidnaps hunter. This is the reason Katie was possessed and remains possessed.

sorry for the long winded answer.

[–] lunayoshi 10 years ago

That was actually really helpful, thank you. There are a lot of things going on at different points in time, so tying it all together chronologically helped a bit.

You missed the part where Katie somehow loses Hunter to an adoption agency and tracks him down, moves across the street with another (marked?) boy posing as her son, and lucky for them, Alex's family is fine watching a stranger's kid rather than letting him stay in a shelter or wherever younger kids go when their parents are incapacitated. But then, I don't know where kids go when their parents are incapacitated. Maybe they really suck and taking Robbie in was a much better idea.

But anyway, Katie joins up with the coven at some point, loses Hunter who's renmed to Wyatt by his adopted family, Katie finds him again and pulls some strings to mark him while killing off the neighbors who watched her "kid," Robbie, for her while she was "in the hospital" despite having no apparent physical ailments. This can be explained away by emotional or psychological issues, but nobody brings it up in the movies, so...

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[–] luchiville 10 years ago

Well in the fourth one, we don't actually know how or why Hunter was adopted, and how Katie came to find them. We do learn in Paranormal Activity The Marked Ones that Oscar who is also marked like Jesse, was adopted, so maybe it's common for the coven to mark babies in the womb then once there born take them away and put them into adoption. The reason probably being is that they have to wait till the child is of a certain age till they can perform the first ritual on them to start the process of being fully possessed.

Which is what PA4 is about, hunter is now 6 in this film, when Katie first kidnapped him he was only 2, so he was put into adoption until he was ready and the right age. So Katie goes back for him now that he is of age, and they can now perform a ritual on him.

Which is also where Robbie comes in, Katie and Robbie move in over the road, and Katie is suddenly rushed to hospital, this is just a ploy, an excuse so Robbie can stay with Hunter and his family, basically Robbie is getting Hunter ready for his ritual now he is of age, that's why Robbie introduces Hunter to Toby.

[–] lunayoshi 10 years ago

That makes sense, too. Thanks. :)

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[–] ChanceX74 10 years ago

It really doesn't.

If it's common to give these kids up for adoption then what would be the point of possessing Kristi to watch over him? If she/it were going to go the adoption route, the I'm sure the rest of the family would have had something to say about it.

I see some adamant theories about how the only reason Katie did the adoption thing was because she was on the run from killing Micah. This makes sense on the surface, considering the demon had been ejected from Kristi. Where it causes issues is that the demon could have simply avoided killing Micah and sat in Katie watching Hunter from afar... especially since that's what it wound up doing anyway with the adoption thing (according to these theories). If anything, it would have been able to keep a closer eye on Hunter had it simply broke up with Micah and put him out of the house.

Apparently Toby, much like the people running the franchise, is not the best long term planner.

We simply have to face that these people are making it up as they go along. I do not believe them when they say they have an end game but "It'll take a few more movies to get there". I mean, they may have some vague idea now, but certainly not when that quote was made considering this film, the one barely tangentially related to the four others, is the one that supplies us with a hint of answers the others never bothered with delivered within a completely different narrative.

[–] luchiville 10 years ago

A possessed Katie would be to noticeable considering Kristis family sent the demon to haunt her, she killed the family because they got in her way and messed up the plan so it acted accordingly. The whole adoption thing is a mystery, we don't know for sure. Hunter seems to be a special case though, considering a young Kristi had some sort of marriage ritual with Toby at the end of PA3. So this is a different case so maybe the demon planned to stay in Kristi and watch Hunter, but the family intervened sent him to Katie so he changed his plan.

[–] ChanceX74 10 years ago

A possessed Katie would be to noticeable considering Kristis family sent the demon to haunt her

I get what you're saying, but here's the thing: PA4 reveals the ridiculousness of it all. You have an ambulance at the house supposedly taking Katie away, leading to creepy boy staying across the street. Later, we are given dialogue to suggest homegirl was never sick or had even been at the hospital. This is problematic.

If she was never sick or at the hospital, then who did the ambulance take to the hospital? If she was at the hospital and just came off with mad recovery, how is it none of the hospital staff realized they had a missing person in their possession for weeks? If the person the ambulance took was Katie, who talked to the mother about watching the boy (since we have to presume Katie was the one she talked to by indication of dialogue)? I have to assume some authorities were involved in or at least present during whatever conversation led to "take my kid while I'm in the hospital, will ya?"

So far, it would appear the jumbled mess is meant to disguise the lack of narrative consistency but doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

Perhaps they will surprise me when all is said and done, but I doubt it.

[–] Da_Letter_Jay 9 years ago

I always assumed that Katie merely posed as the neighbor across the street and killed/injured Robbie's real mother. And by that point Robbie could have been brainwashed to accept Katie as his guardian or maybe Robbie was not even a real child and was a demon the whole time.

[–] Holy-Fire 10 years ago

I think Michah had to die after the demon learnt it's lesson first time round with Kristi and thought- let's do it right and kill everyone close.

How the adoption thing makes sense in my eyes is that the adult is possessed to watch over the first born male until the demon has a strong possession eventually taken the child away from the family because it then weakens the child making the child more susceptible to the rituals. The adoption thing comes into play because I'm guessing the demon has other things to do than babysit a child for years. I'm pretty sure a demon could make better use of a possessed adult than to look after a child.

Though, I really don't think the writers thought this with their pay as you go style of writing. I think they got lucky that just enough makes sense for people to piece together their own ideas.

[–] koffeenkreame41-1 10 years ago

I agree, great posts.

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[–] slch112 9 years ago

Yeah that was an excellent explanation of the series and I only watched TMO.

[–] luchiville 9 years ago

Thanks

[–] Synetech 8 years ago

Unfortunately, after Ghost Dimension, the story starts come unraveled. All of a sudden, the witches are not doing the pact with the demon for wealth, but rather to conjure the anti-christ in order to bring about the end of days. 

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[–] DBLurker 10 years ago

Ignore luchiville, they needed Katie to make the thumping sounds the 'demon' is supposed to make.

Notice the fat on the screen in every movie. The sounds were made by her.

[–] luchiville 10 years ago

You sir are a moron.

[–] DBLurker 10 years ago

You know I am right.

Everytime THUMPING sound happened in first PA movie, you knew Katie was making them off-camera.

[–] StanleyTheManley 10 years ago

You do know that the sounds were added in AFTERWARDS?

[–] DBLurker 10 years ago

In one of the interviews on the UNRATED edition, they admitted that Katie personally recorded these sounds in the recording studio.

[–] StanleyTheManley 10 years ago

Yes, afterwards.

[–] DBLurker 10 years ago

Duh!

That's why I said "off-camera".

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[–] andromache3 10 years ago

You're going on ignore, troll. If you can't make a mature comment piss off.

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[–] FlyingSaucersAreReal 10 years ago

Seems like the series is getting inconsistent and the quality of each film is lower than the last as they try to stretch the series out. It's the law of diminishing returns, which happens with a lot of these long running series.

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