Is Tobey the Anti-Christ?
Now that he's taken human form (which I guess has always been the goal... interesting method of doing it lol) do you think he goes on to be the Anti-Christ?
shareToby being human in 1992 prevents him from being in the other films haunting Kristi and Katie in spirit form, creating a time paradox, see the problem here?
I have no idea how they didn't see this critical error but they clearly didn't care, or sadly they truly believe this actually makes sense, which it does not, film was the worst too, The Marked Ones was 10x the continuation let alone 'finale' this mess was.
But, I suppose that was the point, even though I don't and will never see it as the true conclusion of the franchise, Toby in the other films only needed first born males, Leila who wasn't even mentioned in the previous films and wasn't abducted unlike Hunter and is a female, it was established in 3 and 4 that the girls raised or born in the Coven are wiped of their memories and their sons are marked before birth, then they undergo rituals at age 6-17 until they are completely possessed by Toby.
So the bottom line is that there never was any of this 'chosen ones born under the same moon' nonsense, it was all about first born males, marked by the Demon, annoying thing is that they didn't even mention any of this in the Ghost Dimension and instead inject all this rubbish that was not related to the main plot of the series.
Where are you getting 1992? In this movie he attains human form in 2013.
share...Toby attains human form in 1992, the 'time portal' thing-y sent the mother to Katie and Kristi's house back in 1992 before it burned down and the daughter and Hunter lose drops of blood to give Toby a human body, so it's very obvious that it all happened in 1992, but as I said earlier, that cannot be because if Toby somehow gained human form in 1992, the years after 1992 - Katie and Kristi's childhood in PA3, then he can't haunt Kristi and Katie in 2006, the years of Paranormal Activity 1 and 2, it makes NO sense at all, make sense now?
shareTime travel never makes sense in any movie no matter how hard they try to make it comprehensive. I figured they did like The Butterfly Effect and "changed" the past.
shareWell, that wouldn't help matters either because if Toby's past was wiped off
the time-frame, his future would also be gone because there would be no PA3, PA2, PA1, PA4, TMO, and where was he when he time travelled from 1992 to 2013 at the beginning? wasn't Toby with Katie and Kristi and the Coven during the year they learn all this stuff about 'time portals' and whatnot, so they send Toby through time to 2013, the future where Hunter is already 6 and the main stuff of the other movies have already occurred, but how does Toby skip through the timeline from a year where Hunter didn't even exist until 2006, to a year where Hunter is 6 six years old and for some reason being held captive in 1992 waiting for Leila, the Nelson's are dead and Alex has likely been sacrificed for Toby, the giant army of brainwashed and memory wiped women that Alex sees at the end of PA4 were probably vessels for Toby to impregnate and give him more first born sons which would be added to his ever growing army of demonic possessed males which was established in TMO,
And apparently Leila is of the same importance of Hunter because their blood will literally form a human vessel for Toby to be housed in, no details of the previous deal the Coven made with Toby which started this mess in the first place, nor the virgin sacrifice in PA4, or literally ANYTHING from TMO, and there's also nothing about first born males, Leila was a girl but PA3 established that the females are brainwashed and memories wiped and their sons are taken, they don't take the role of 'chosen one' unlike the first born males that clearly play a big role in Toby's plan, he was basically building a demonic army that he could use to bring destruction and chaos against the World, yet they pass this role not only to Hunter but ALSO Leila... but even the females that are born and raised into the Coven are supposed to come from the Coven itself, Emily no sign of being related to the Midwives, Hunter was important because his great grand mother was apart of the Coven and he was born for this very purpose to be Lois's end of the bargain they made, but instead they inject this 'two born on the same moon' nonsense out of nowhere, and Toby is a prince of Hell... where did he come from? they mentioned nothing about the deal made between the Demon and the Witches, it SHOULD of been covered through the research the family went through, how did they know the research pointed towards Toby in the first place? it was just Revelations 5:6 from the Bible... could of been related to anything, did he just end up there? why that family? Leila wasn't of Coven blood, unlike Hunter, why didn't Toby kidnap Hunter AND Leila at the same time, I mean, they have the same birthday apparently... so why didn't he steal them both? but instead he gets Hunter and PA4 starts, but you know why Leila wasn't there? Because she doesn't exist in PA, just a cliché plot element that was trying to copy young 'Kristi's character from PA3 and her existence is absent of logic and sense.
Sorry for the huge novel I just wrote up, but it gives me such a headache with all the plot holes and paradoxes that just keep going and going and going!
you are assuming he didn't go back through the portal to 2013 it seems...
shareEven if he did, he wouldn't be able to haunt Kristi and Katie because he gained human form in 1992 and that was a major time altering event, 1992 was the years of Katie and Kristi's adolescence, then 2006 where the girls are adults, Toby can't be around because he's human, makes no sense, maybe if it took place in 2013, but no, they had to make it occur in the past for no reason and further break the credibility of the movie even more.
sharehe haunted the girls in 1992, then in 2013 goes back in time and finishes the ritual (in the linear sense he has already haunted the girls in 1992 even though he's back in time still) so from here he can either stay in the past and proceed in a timeline not involving him haunting Katie, or go back to a version of 2013 where he didn't haunt Katie.
shareThe paradox still remains because if he doesn't continue to the timeline of haunting Katie, all the time frames containing him in spirit form are ripped apart, 1988 which is when PA3 is set ceases to be, Kristi can't be married to Toby, Katie and Kristi can't be haunted by Toby, Kristi can't be possessed, Katie can't be possessed, Hunter can't be abducted, Toby ceases to exist as the past and present events involving him are altered.
It's like that time travel scenario where you erase your past self in the past, then it erases your present self, you cease to exist, like you were never born.
What if Toby gets/got "killed" before 2005 and went back to haunting?
That sounds stupider typed out than it did in my head. I guess a better way to put it is maybe the human vessel ceased to be making him go back to normal.
There's an idea, but what would be the point of the time travel and stuff only to go back to what he was before? but still, good try at trying to make sense of the madness. Ha.
shareYou both need to got to MIT and teach quantum theory.. I really disliked this movie and I'm a sucker for found footage and anything with a priest going all excorcism like.. The Marked Ones showed so much promise, then this happened. I would like to see them try this again but I think they "broke" it. I would alstroemerias like to see a Blair Witch 3 .. But that's a rumor every year and nothing more.
shareNot to mention, what's the point of Toby taking human form if the body can just be killed? What advantage would having a human body really afford him?
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A random idea here; what if "human Toby" was killed in the mysterious fire that burns down Katie's & Kristi's childhood in 1992. Perhaps someone wanted to stop Toby and managed to trap him in the house? According to Katie in PA1, there was no indication of what started the fire so maybe Toby started it with his powers to try and kill someone else and got himself trapped? What if his "human" death forced Toby back to his original form? I realise this idea probably doesn't work but thought I'd share it anyway.
share"further break the credibility of the movie even more"
There's no credibility to be lost. Very few people have followed the franchise with the apparent zeal that you have... I'd wager most people don't care about the paradox at all. I've probably seen them all by now, but could care less about the overall story arc and whether or not it ties together or makes sense at all. I watched it because I wanted a decent scary movie with some creepy ghosts and maybe a few jump scares... beyond that, the "lore" is unimportant.
Besides all that, it's highly likely that the producers had considered all the possible flaws in concluding things the way they did, and decided to do things anyway. They probably (rightfully) figured only a handful of people would have a problem with any inconsistencies.
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Wrong. He goes back in time through that door in the wall to 1992.
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