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Something grabbed my ear with Nadine Velazquez


Towards the und of the episode, as they are talking about her being molested as a child she says:

"Because I feel like I got stunted at that age"

Russo: Mmhmm

Right after Russo says "mmhmm", there's another voice that comes in, quite quietly. Sounds female. And it sounds to me like she says "you did". It happens around the 49:36 mark.

I'm not saying it was anything paranormal, just grabbed my attention. It wasn't Nadine, it wasn't Russo. Is there a female producer or crew member there with them? Did Nadine bring a friend or family member?

Did anyone else here it?

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What grabbed my ear was as soon as she described her experience I knew she'd been molested, and it really upsets me that this woman is telling her that a supernatural force (like meets like, I think she said) felt that if someone else was molesting her then "he" could do the same. That's just unconsciounable that she'd tell her something like that to let her continue to think an evil force will get her if she doesn't behave the right way spiritually, as if the victim is to blame! Nadine has already suffered enough. Oh course, I noticed the disclaimer, "I'm not a psychologist."


What Nadine had is called sleep paralysis. There is a mention of abuse on this page only in the notes, but having this type of sleep disruption is one indication of possible abuse because the victim does have their sleep disrupted due to immense stress: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis


Sleep paralysis is a phenomenon in which people, either when falling asleep or wakening, temporarily experience an inability to move. More formally, it is a transition state between wakefulness and rest characterized by complete muscle atonia (muscle weakness). It can occur at sleep onset or upon awakening, and it is often associated with terrifying visions (e.g. an intruder in the room), to which one is unable to react due to paralysis. It is believed a result of disrupted REM sleep, which is normally characterized by complete muscle atonia that prevents individuals from acting out their dreams. Sleep paralysis has been linked to disorders such as narcolepsy, migraines, anxiety disorders, and obstructive sleep apnea; however, it can also occur in isolation.[1][2] When linked to another disorder, sleep paralysis commonly occurs in association with the neuromuscular disorder narcolepsy.[2]

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Hypnagogic and hypnopompic hallucinations are symptoms commonly experienced during episodes of sleep paralysis. Some scientists have proposed this condition as an explanation for reports of alien abductions and ghostly encounters.[13] A study by Susan Blackmore and Marcus Cox (the Blackmore-Cox study) of the University of the West of England supports the suggestion that reports of alien abductions are related to sleep paralysis rather than to temporal lobe lability.[14] There are three main types of these hallucinations that can be linked to pathologic neurophysiology.[7] These include the belief that there is an intruder in the room, the incubus, and vestibular motor sensations.[15]

Many people that experience sleep paralysis are struck with a deep sense of terror, because they sense a menacing presence in the room while paralyzed—hereafter referred to as the intruder. This phenomenon is believed to be the result of a hyper vigilant state created in the midbrain.[7] More specifically, the emergency response activates in the brain when individuals wake up paralyzed and feel vulnerable to attack.[15] This helplessness can intensify the effects of the threat response well above the level typical to normal dreams; this could explain why hallucinations during sleep paralysis are so vivid.[15] Normally the threat activated vigilance system is a protective mechanism the body uses to differentiate between dangerous situations and determine whether the fear response is appropriate.[15] This threat vigilance system is evolutionarily biased to interpret ambiguous stimuli as dangerous, because "erring on the side of caution" increases survival chances.[15] This could explain why those who experience sleep paralysis generally believe the presence they sense is evil.[15] The amygdala is heavily involved in the threat activation response mechanism, which is implicated in both intruder and incubus SP hallucinations.[3] The specific pathway the threat-activated vigilance system acts through is not perfectly understood. It is believed that either the thalamus receives sensory information and sends it on the amygdala, which regulates emotional experience—or that the amygdaloid complex, anterior cingulate, and the structures in the pontine tegmentum interact to create the hallucination.[7] It is also highly possible that SP hallucinations could result from a combination of these. The anterior cingulate has an extensive array of cortical connections to other cortical area, which lets it integrate the different sensations and emotions we experience.[7] The amygdaloid complex helps us interpret emotional experience and act appropriately.[16] Most importantly, it helps us direct our attention to the most pertinent stimuli in a potentially dangerous situation and act appropriately.[16] Proper amygdaloid complex function requires input from the thalamus. This creates a thalamoamygdala pathway capable of bypassing intense scrutiny of incoming stimuli, which allows for quick responses in a potentially life-threatening situation.[7][16]

Typically these pathways let us quickly disregard non-threatening situations. In sleep paralysis, however, these pathways become over-excited and move into a state of hypervigilance where the mind perceives every external stimulus as a threat. The individual can create endogenous stimuli that contribute to the perceived threat.[7] A similar process occurs in the incubus hallucination, with slight variations.

The incubus hallucination is associated with the subject's belief that an intruder is attempting to suffocate them, usually by strangulation.[15] It is believed that the incubus hallucination is a combination of the threat vigilance activation system and the muscle paralysis associated with sleep paralysis that removes voluntary control of breathing.[15] Several features of REM breathing patterns exacerbate the feeling of suffocation.[15] These include shallow rapid breathing, hypercapnia, and slight blockage of the airway, a symptom prevalent in sleep apnea patients.[7] Attempts at breathing deeply fail, and give the individual a sense of resistance, which the threat-activated vigilance system interprets as someone sitting on their chest, suffocating them.[7] The sensation of entrapment causes a feedback loop that involves the threat-activated vigilance system: fear of suffocation increases as a result of continued helplessness, which makes the individual struggle to end the SP episode.[15] The intruder and incubus hallucinations highly correlate with one another, and moderately correlate with the third type of hallucination, vestibular-motor hallucination, also known as out-of-body experiences.[15]

The third hallucination type differs from the other two in that it involves the brainstem, cerebellar, and cortical vestibular centers—not the threat activation vigilance system.[3] Under normal conditions, medial and vestibular nuclei, cortical, thalamic, and cerebellar centers coordinate things such as head and eye movement, and orientation in space.[7] In sleep paralysis, these mechanisms—which usually coordinate body movement and provide information on body position—activate and, because there is no actual movement, become confused and induce a floating sensation.[15] The vestibular nuclei in particular has been identified as being closely related to dreaming during the REM stage of sleep.[7] Unlike the other two types of hallucinations, vestibular-motor experiences arise from completely endogenous sources of stimuli.[15]



Some people say Henry Fuseli's painting titled The Nightmare represents sleep paralysis, as many people who experience it will "fill in" an actual creature sitting on them (it usually happens when someone is sleeping on their back) because it feels like someone is holding them down: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nightmare



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I hear what you're saying. I have a slightly different take, but I do understand what you mean, here.

First off, I heard the voice, too. It could have been an EVP, but if it was, it was one of the clearest ones I've ever heard. It had to be someone off camera, that's my assumption, it was live in the room.

All of the celebs I've seen on this show so far have been very apprehensive to be told something they either didn't want told or didn't want known. I haven't seen all of the eps, but the ones I have seen strike me this way. Haven't seen Eric or Reege, and Michael Rappaport did not fit this description, but others do. Anyway, my point is that Nadine seemed to have a whole other thing going on with her from the get-go.

I believe Nadine believes this, and I believe it, too. I think she's sensitive to ghosts and that the ones described are there. Here she is on television admitting she was sexually abused ... she wouldn't be using a ghost story as a vehicle for that. There's not enough money they're paid, there's not enough bump from this show to be had. Not saying you're saying she's lying, just laying out how my thought process is working on this one. So, for me, this is real for her, she believes her own story (as opposed to some of the other ghost storytellers out there on CGS that are faking it). Ok, that said ...

... Sleep paralysis is definitely possible, and like most of the other descriptions these folks give us of being held down, that's a big indicator of sleep paralysis. Big time. Sleep paralysis's symptom of feelign that you're held down, being molested where she really is being held down (not at the same time), and that could very much account for her belief that it was a spirit. But I don't think in her case, that having sleep paralysis precudes the existence, also, of the ghost/s.

A) She saw her first one in another home when she was 5, and it was not a negative spirit or a negative experience. Might have been a daycare situation from what it seemed.

B) She saw a ghost in the basement.

C) She saw this evil ghost intruder dude separate from being held down in other areas upstairs.

The way I took Kim's comments about the molestation as it related to this evil ghost, I didn't see it as her communicating in any way that it's her own fault. I see why you interpreted it that way, and I think Kim's choice of words were just not very careful, but I don't think that's what she meant. My interpretation is that becuaes her "resistance" was down in the first place with the molestation, the entity exploited that vulnerability it opened in her to take advantage of her. To scare her and to find a way in when she was weak. I don't mean possession, I just mean he found a way in thru a weak spot in her psyche to scare her, which gives it empowerment.

So, that's my take on her. Interesting episode, regardless.

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So glad you wrote this. I totally agree, big kmc.

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Very interesting and informative exposition on sleep paralysis. This happened to me once, so whenever mention of it crosses my path I always take great interest. A friend of mine has this happen to her on a regular basis whenever she sleeps on her back including someone sitting on top of her. Mine was feeling a presence in the room staring at me and waiting to pounce. Very frightening.

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I heard it, plain as day. I think one of her family members was standing there.

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