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Does anyone else think that Kristen was just playing herself?


I am not a troll or a hater, but after seeing this movie, I fail to recognize this 'superb' performance by Stewart, which got her a Cesar award, the French Oscar. I don't know, the way she said her lines, the way she acted, dressed, just seemed normal to me, nothing great about this performance. To me it looked like she made no effort. Just playing Kristen Stewart, using the typical Kristen Stewart clothes, her converse sneakers, her torn jeans, her open checked shirt with a rock band t-shirt underneath, her cigarette. The only difference is the glasses, which I am not sure she wears in real life. I have seen other movies of hers, but then I could buy more into it. Here I saw no effort in her performance. She delivered the lines exactly the same way as if she was in an interview talking about Robert Pattinson back in Hollywood. There was nothing challenging or difficult. Given she plays an assistant to a foreign actress she didn't even speak French, which made it even easier. I guess the competition for the Cesar award last year must have been very bad. Very bland performance. Can someone explain what is so great about her performance?

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I had the same feeling. The part was perfect for her, tough, she's still playing herself; that made a good performance. But yeah, after all the praising I was expecting her to break the mold; but nope, it was quite the opposite.

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Not necessarily. A great performance can also be made by an actor who breaks the mold, gets out of his comfort zone and maybe then seem effortless in the execution.
An actor who always plays himself is not always a great performer.

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I don't get the hype neither. Another Leo DiCaprio for The Revenant? Or another Jennifer Lawrence in American Hustle?

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I've never seen any of Kristen's other work, but have been watching Clouds on cable recently. It's kind of a recessive performance. She's hiding behind hair and eyeglasses, but there is a verisimilitude about it. It's so naturalistic, I felt I was watching a documentary at times instead of a "performance." The absence of theatricality may not be everyone's cup of tea (I tend to like charismatic, command the screen performances), but I do admire her performance here. Simple and real.

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Yeah, I do too don't worry. But people were basically calling it an Oscar worthy performance. Would you go as far?

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As good as her performance is here, I think it may be too low-key for an Oscar. Binoche's performance is more Oscar-ish.

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The Hollywood Reporter said, "The Twilight starlet created a magnificent enigma of a character, suggesting a racing mind and restless heart beneath her trademark nonchalance."

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I thought that she was channeling Kate Moennig who played Shane on the L Word or Lena on Ray Donovan. She sounded like Kate and had the same kind of mannerisms.

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It's by no means a superb performance in my opinion, but...

I don't know, the way she said her lines, the way she acted, dressed, just seemed normal to me


...that's why she was good. It was so natural that it flowed wonderfully.

I know the whole 'she's just playing herself' thing is correct to a point, but it's actually quite tough to play any role where you're not the script writer, even one that mirrors your own personality, so it looks perfectly natural to the viewer.

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I thought it was exactly the contrast between Binoche 'playing Helena' and Kristen 'playing herself as Sigrid' that made the whole scene so potent, throwing you off balance and making you jump between the film and the play in the film. It seemed magic to me, at least at the time.

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Kristen Stewart is an attractive American millionaire who is a movie star, not an actress. So she gets a walk most of the time. People who say, "She's so NATURAL" often just don't understand the art of acting. Anyone can play herself; not much challenge to that, as long as she is cast in an appropriate time zone and allowed to get by with all Stewart's nervous tics. But when movie stars try to "go deeper," they find their "talents" just can't be extended that far. Julia Roberts playing an Irish rebel? What two-time Oscar winner tried to go from BOYS DON'T CRY to a pre-revolutionary French court schemer in THE AFFAIR OF THE NECKLACE? And no one looks more like a contemporary American woman than Swank. So tell me one role of Stewart's in which she goes way off the line and does really become someone completely different. (She didn't even learn any French for SILS MARIA.)

An actor can play any character, any time zone, any costume, any culture. Could Kristen Stewart play a queen, as Mirren did twice (and won awards)? Completely impossible. A famous character, like Piaf? Don't even think about it. She'd even have trouble with Theron's work in MONSTER, if she tried to do it (she won't -- too challenging). Blanchett in CAROL and BLUE JASMINE is a great example of the kind of difference a real actor can make in a character with voice, movement, look, and still be completely believable..

We love our movie stars; if we went to high school with them we'd want to date them or be their best friends. But that doesn't make an actor. The proof is not in the awards, or the fame, but in the universal respect actors have for real actors, with whom they want to work FIRST, if they can. With a Stewart dominated film it's a job because it will pay well and one can be seen in the movie. No great art will be created there; in SILS the art and creative environment is provided by Binoche. Then put Julia Roberts in as Maria Enders and think again.

Most movie stars get used to the money and the lifestyle and just make choices on what they can handle, without too much stress and risk in the career. Cary Grant did this for decades and we loved him. But he wasn't taking on HAMLET.

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An actor can play any character, any time zone, any costume, any culture. Could Kristen Stewart play a queen, as Mirren did twice (and won awards)? Completely impossible. A famous character, like Piaf? Don't even think about it. She'd even have trouble with Theron's work in MONSTER, if she tried to do it (she won't -- too challenging). Blanchett in CAROL and BLUE JASMINE is a great example of the kind of difference a real actor can make in a character with voice, movement, look, and still be completely believable..


An actor can play any character? Are you serious? So by the same token, as you've judged Stewart by, could Mirren, Cotillard, Theron and Blanchett have played Joan Jett in The Runaways as well as Stewart did when she became the rock 'n roll icon? I find it interesting that you've put Stewart in the same sentence as some Oscar winning actresses, since she has yet to be nominated for a golden statuette.

No great art will be created there; in SILS the art and creative environment is provided by Binoche.


And yet, for her performance in Clouds of Sils Maria, Stewart became the first American actress to have ever won a Cesar award along with receiving more prestigious critical acclaim (i.e., New York Film Critics Circle 1st Place award, National Society of Film Critics 1st Place award, Boston Society of Film Critics 1st Place award, Los Angels Film Critics Association 2nd Place award) than any 2015 Best Supporting Actress contender, nominee or winner, even more than BSA Oscar winner Alicia Vikander. Are you implying that all these top film critics, via the critics group awards, don't know how to judge acting talent?

What recognition has Binoche received for her role as Maria Enders in CoSM?

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As I said, Stewart is a young, attractive American millionaire, and gets a pass for her "style." Moreover, America is clearly in a "fall in line" cult mood at the moment, no matter the truths and reality involved. But you didn't answer my fundamental question: "Name two roles in which her performance is notably different one from another." Until you can or will do so, some standard has to be set. I also mentioned that it's not the rewards, the fame, the awards which make someone an "actor." The fact that the Golden Globes are seen as important, when they are less than 100 European journalists in a group the purpose of which is to host the Awards Dinner and file PR releases about US film, should also make you wonder about "prizes." Can plumbers rate architects fairly? Can lawyers rate police officers fairly? They don't know basics about the other's work. Being a film critic does not mean or infer one is an actor, or knows anything about acting. They just choose an artist they like; OK, but let's don't take it too seriously. They may be playing politics to get an exclusive interview if they're flattering someone. And the winner must usually appear at the critics' dinners. Contacts, contacts.

The Academy Award nominees are chosen by its members in the ACTING category, then the whole membership votes on the winners. Clearly, there's a difference in the intimate experience of acting in those awards (though they get crazy from time to time, as in awarding Best Actress on the basis of the money earned in one's career, thus favoring women starring in romcoms). You yourself noted that even in the "any woman under 30, in any film" mood in US movies, Stewart has yet to be nominated by her peers in the Academy. Does that underline my argument?

Finally, the limited roles for women in American (and some European) films puts the spotlight on a limited number of players.

I certainly did not put Stewart in a list of Oscars winners; as you say, I put her in a sentence. Not the same at all.

I admire your passion for Stewart, and everyone has a right to "love" an artist. But why can't you "love" her as a movie star, and leave the heavy lifting to someone who has a wider range of talent and experience? Remember, Stewart prides herself on the fact that she doesn't like rehearsals and doesn't want to memorize scripts. "She can just glance at the script and have it." Even Meryl, whose ability to memorize a script after one reading, including all the other players' parts, was considered miraculous (until she had menopause, she said, when she lost it), always READ the script thoroughly, and participated in rehearsals, at the least for the convenience of the other actors.

By the way, Binoche already has an Oscar, and in her 50s or 60s is too old to be taken seriously by American award givers. Those folks are now given the Lifetime Achievement Oscar, especially if they were denied one in their peak years. Binoche has won plenty of awards for acting in Europe, where her career has largely been based. She is one of the most respected French women in or out of film. and has a successful career as a visual artist as well.

Finally, bringing up all these awards does not answer the original poster's question: Was Stewart just playing herself? Yes -- like other major movie stars, she's always "playing herself."

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I appreciate the 10-second bits from a variety of Stewart's movies, but to me in all of them she's tossing her hair, screaming, doing a half-laugh, staring at someone, or twitching and murmuring.. These oh-so-short examples are your idea of peak performances in which the artist is radically different? There's not enough work there to evaluate. But if you compare Blanchett in CAROL with BLUE JASMINE, as I had recommended above, or Vikander in EX MACHINA and THE DANISH GIRL, it's easy to see why these two artists are considered "actors" by other actors.

Please do continue your adoration of Stewart; it's your right as a movie consumer. Just don't keep saying that the rest of us have to agree that she is the most talented actress since Duse. The fact that so many think she's a "monotone actress," a phrase I didn't use but which was on your film clip show, would seem to underline my argument., and that of the original poster who brought up the question.

As to the Cesar, no one can explain the French taste in film awards, which stood out so clearly at Cannes this year, where IT'S ONLY THE END OF THE WORLD was booed and satirized, but came away with the Grand Prix (right under the Palme d'Or) and a distribution deal. Stewart had two Cannes films in 2016 and scored in neither at that festival. While I'm sure Stewart's fans all knew about the Cesar, that news story had as much influence as coverage of the economy in Venezuela.

Next time let's discuss Anne Hathaway and Reese Witherspoon winning Oscars, and whether or not that makes them "actors."

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Nope -- I'm bored with you and Stewart. You'll never get this because your "love" for the actress has blinded you. But before leaving, here goes:

I never said Stewart acted the same in every role -- I said she was playing herself. Anyone's "self" has more than one shading. You would have been more persuasive pointing out those roles of Stewart which took place in the Italian Renaissance, preRevolutionary France, the Third Reich, the 1950s during the HUAC years, or Shakespeare or other classic plays. Something other than contemporary roles in contemporary American films. Why doesn't she get cast in films like that? (Ask yourself.)

Blanchett was doing the same level of work in her early career. See for yourself. She's not too old to be a genius, and Stewart is not too young. (This is your chance to bring up Jennifer Lawrence, but you won't because she has an Oscar and Stewart not even a nomination.)

The Academy saw two clips of Vikander's peak performances and gave her an Oscar. That should have been sufficient red flagging for you. It was unusual because 1) She's Swedish, and 2) she just arrived on the international film stage. If not, there's nothing else I can say except -- just watch the career and see where it goes. If a young person like Stewart can survive the money, fame. and easy living (many can't) she will have years to prove she can really act. If not, she can always stay where she is -- a movie star. Not such a bad deal, say I.

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Hey, thanks for taking the trouble to post all those. They make a handy bookmark.

I've seen all those except Anesthesia- but that one's in the queue. It was nice to watch all the clips though. Brought back a lot of good memories from memorable performances.

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Yes! I kept on waiting for the part where Stewart turns on an epic tour-de-force performance, but it never happened. Just because she donned some nerdy hipster glasses does not make her suddenly an awe-inspiring character, let alone actress in this film.

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Thanks, Alexandra. Most of the people who responded above to the original question said they were also not impressed by Kristen Stewart's "credentials" in the acting biz. Seems to me she is in a win-win situation; either she increases her range and promotes herself into some really demanding roles, or she can just remain where she is. Neither strikes me as a loser deal.

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I felt the same way the first time I saw it. I think I was expecting something more impressive with all the accolades she was receiving for this performance. Plus, I saw Still Alice and felt she was playing that character very similarly to Val. That said, I recently rewatched Clouds of Sils Maria and I was much more impressed with Kristen Stewart's performance the second time around. Maybe because my expectations were lowered and I was already expecting not to be impressed with her acting, but now that I know how the film ends, I noticed little subtleties Stewart gave Val in her interactions with Maria and saw a more nuanced and well-rounded performance than what I saw previously. It helps that this character was created to really play to Stewart's strengths.

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