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I saw something very human in Oscar Angulo. Am I the only one?


This was a pretty great documentary.

It did an amazing job at skillfully capturing both the physical and emotional interiors of the Angulo family. The children, the mother... A fascinating group of people under fascinating, unique, harrowing circumstances and confinements. I felt like I really got to know this family in under two hours.

I did feel like the portrayal of Oscar Angulo was somewhat manipulative and un-fair, though. This was clearly a man who had CHOSEN to disengage from society, viewing it to be full of evils and wanting to shield his family from those perceived evils. I did find it very interesting to see someone choosing this kind of lifestyle for his family based out of a contempt of religion, for example, as opposed to an embracing of it. That is hardly ever the case when you have sheltered families like this. His motivations seemed to be based around a loathing of the herd mentality lifestyle we see all too often these days.

He made value judgements about the nature of modern society that were his and his alone to make, and though he imposed stricter limitations than most of us would perceive as "normal" on the degree to which his family interacted with that society, he certainly broke no laws and was not shown to be physically or emotionally "abusive" beyond normal standards of parenting. Slapping your wife is certainly NOT acceptable, but it pales in comparison to the kind of physical abuse people who are objectively more accepted by society have been known to dish out, and yet we sometimes give them a free pass because they're living within the conventional standards of modern society.

I thought these children were actually much more interesting and fascinated by things than most suburbanite kids running around shopping malls all day long. The guy clearly had ambitions and a vision for his family unit at the outset, but seemed to fall prey to the conventional kind of laziness that would naturally follow from this immobile, un-present kind of lifestyle that he imposed. So, essentially he became a victim of his own making.

I felt like the documentary needed someone to really "go at" to make it appealing to your normal lazy viewer who views everything, including morality, in black and white. They needed someone to target and paint as evil. I do not think Mr. Angulo was that man, though he - like you and me - is FAR from a perfect human being.

Just my 2 cents

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I feel like I may fall somewhere in between you and people who are quick to judge him. I'm not so sure we get the whole story, it just seems to me that it's possible that he may have abused them more than they out right say.

When the kid is talking about how he can never talk to his father again, somethings are unforgivable. Is that really just because he trapped them in the house and once or twice slapped his Mother? Maybe, or maybe he did things that are unforgivable like beat them often, completely control them. Maybe things even worse. Why will he not even go around his kids at the end, he knows they don't want him around but if all he did was hit them a couple of times and not let them out of the house, you would think he would try to be around them without controlling them and show that he is sorry and create an understanding, now that they are aloud out and he sees how happy they are.

It just seemed like maybe he did things really messed up but out of a loyalty to their mother they agreed to not mention it in the doc.

However I can also come up with very human reasons to counter everything I said(thus putting me in the middle) The kid is young and may view the things his Dad did as worse than they are, the Dad is too proud to come out and out right say to his kids that he is truly sorry, he was doing what he thought was right and ended up doing them wrong.

Something strikes me the wrong way about the kids not being able to leave a ROOM without permission, that doesn't seem like a guy who is trying to keep his kids from the world, it's something a control freak does if not something more sinister.

All in all I'm not willing to make any judgements without any facts but I do wonder where on the line of villain Oscar truly falls

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very well said ehb.

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Whatever a person wants to do with their own life is totally fine (so long as they're not harming others of course), but when they have children and drag them into the same situations, it's different. If you're too frightened of the real world hurting your children, then parenting probably is not for you. It's like what Dory said in Finding Nemo, "You can't let nothing happen to him. Otherwise nothing ever would happen to him". I'm glad the boys seem mostly well adjusted, but it likely could've been a different story.

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I agree. It's obvious that the choices the father made were all about control. He wasn't thinking about the welfare and well being of his children. He wanted total control over them. His choices weren't made out of love and concern. His choices were selfish.

I wonder how people can live like that. The parents (IMHO) are mentally ill. I can't even imagine the noise and energy level of 6 active boys trapped in a 4 bedroom apartment for years and years. Boys need to MOVE. That must have been a miserable environment for everyone.

I do find the boys' connection to movies (and their creativity) admirable. I'm glad they had each other, as well.

I do think the parents were abusive, the Dad more than the Mom. But again, she looked mentally ill. Something about her whole demeanor just seemed "off."

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Of there's something very human in him. He's human, and his behaviour is human nature, to an extreme.

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The word that has not been said is Shame. I see shame in his eyes, shame in the way he disconnects from the mother in his last scene as she goes off to be with her sons and among trees. He knows that they resent him and I don't feel it's just because he locked them away, i sense it's deeper.

He tries to justify his lifestyle by suggesting he did it for their protection. The violence outside, the drug abuse in the lift, when the truth is, he locked the doors and brought a drug into the house, one he clearly abuses and along with it came his violence.

I feel now he fears his boys, is ashamed of the manner in which it all turned out and knows he has lost them.

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The most disturbing scene to me was when the dad pulled the mom into the kitchen and started kissing her, very graphically. She was clearly not an exhibitionist and seemed very uncomfortable... But he was showing off his virility for the cameras. I was married to a man like this for 3 years, enough time for us to have three sons and for me to realize that this wasn't going to get better, and that my boys would be men someday, and if I let myself be treated badly then they would likely do the same to their partners. Unfortunately this mom didn't get out before things got out of control, and I'm sure trying to extricate herself has seemed impossible. No, she didn't make good choices for her kids' sake. But I dot want to judge her, because we don't know the full story and because I know how easily a smart, happy woman can be overtaken by a charismatic and manipulative person. It can happen to men, too, of course! Some people are just very good at convincing others to do their will. That's how we end up with cults!

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Yes. Also the scene where he forces the boys to line up without their shirts on and kisses each on the mouth even though they are all pulling away and look extremely uncomfortable. That was just really really weird.

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He's only human in the sense that he's not terribly bright. If loathed the modern society so much he shouldn't have tied himself down br fathering so many children and ultimately crushed his dream of making it to his ideal society "Scandinavia". As a rule, the dumber one is, the more children he/she makes.

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Only one of his children even speaks to him. If he is such a wonderful, misunderstood man, why do his children hate him?
Also, if he wanted to live outside the confines of modern society, there is certainly no shortage of rural land in the US. Why move to an incredibly populated, and expensive city if you want to be a hermit?

For what they paid for a 4 bedroom apt in NYC he could live in on a couple acres in OK or South Dakota. His kids could still go to school and have friends.

I have absolutely no sympathy for him in the least.

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