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From the economic conservative


I felt sorry for the taxpayers of New York. The father, for seemingly little reason, has chosen not to work and support his family, depending on public housing and the stipend the mother gets for home schooling her children. I agree the children seem reasonably intelligent and I hope they can make their way in the world. But it is certainly not because of any thing the parents did. While it was good film making, and maybe that is all that matters (I guess that is what mattered to Sundance audiences who gave it an audience award), I could not get over the subject matter, ie horrible parenting, dependence on hard working people's tax dollars to live on, and from the film maker, sometimes making fun of her subject. I saw this at the Dallas International Film Festival where it played to an overflow house in a smallish venue and it remains to be seen whether it gets an award here.

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Yeah, because tax dollars are the important thing here.

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^mte, tub_girl.

yeesh.

What kind of "but-climate-change-is-too-expensive-to-fix" thinking is this?

It will go to explain quite a bit in the future:
"Mom? Dad? Why do we live underground?"

hands child a copy of The Fountainhead and/or Atlas Shrugged



Dock Ellis Church of Swag

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???

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I don't get it either. LOL

I do agree with TubGirl.


"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn."

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You would have a great future as the movie reviewer for "Tea Party Weekly" which does not exist I think, but if it did, you would be the best guy to review for them. I would like to read your review for Avatar, is taxpayers money being well spent on the space exploration. How about "Wolf of Wall Street"?

"Whiplash" was my favorite film last year, but all that I could think about during the who film was Miles Teller's student loans. How expensive is music school anyway? Is he going to be able to pay for the experience? Does his love for Jazz mean that he is a socialist since Jazz is a favorite of the American Negro and they tend to be democrats and all democrats are socialist or commie?

I have not seen the Wolfpack but I think these guys are Indian (like Ghandi, not Geronimo) do you think this film is really a statement about immigration policy? We all blame Mexican's and Muslim's but let's not forget Indians (like Ghandi, not Geronimo) those guys take smart jobs.

I could go on, but I am getting all worked up. I have to go read Breitbart. It calms me. Sometimes. Sometimes it makes my blood boil though when it talks about democrats. I hate those guys.

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This guy knows how to budget! Welfare and home school stipends support a family of at least 7, and mostly boys! Still had money for scooters, skates, and oh yah, over 10,000 movies!!

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And beers

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Wow. You were doing great until the apostrophe double fail.

I guess only liberals and progressives can question the motives and actions of documentary subjects where you come from?
It's a documentary. Everything is open to discussion and scrutiny.

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Too much Ganja?

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Similar to other conservatives, you lied, and completely misrepresenting the true. The father is employed. However, his earnings are low enough that he receives welfare. I'm sure you'd preferred to have the children starve to death. Nice.

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So, Elizabeth Vargas is a conservative then? She made the statement in the 20/20 show about the father being unemployed and living on welfare and home school stipend.

Like most liberals, you think the truth is a lie and lies are the truth. After all, everything that the democraps have done in the last 8 years has been based on non-facts, half-truths and outright lies like, "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor."

Get over yourself moron.

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The father needs to be prosecuted for child abuse, spousal abuse, and, yes, welfare fraud. He knew what he was doing, insane as it appears.

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thanks to the wife's willingness to birth 7 kids... the mommy and daddy got to live in cheap housing and get a ton of $. lovely isn't it. how 2 able bodied adults will birth 7 kids but won't even work in walmart to support them.

this family makes me sick. truly does.

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It figures that you'd get lit up for even posting this, but it's a legitimate beef, as far as I'm concerned, and since it's a documentary about real people, your point can't be disregarded with the usual "it's only a movie, don't be wondering about real people's motivations and stuff" kind of wave-off.

I mean, for one thing, if you choose to live outside the insane culture out in the big bad world -- and there are good reasons to think that way, or at least to have serious concerns about how it's affecting your children -- it seems more than a little hypocritical to benefit from the economic machine that is one big part of all that madness outside your door. So you skim a little, figure out a way to drop out and still pay for enough food and floor space to keep you alive, and you've sort of gamed the system while being nominally against the money that makes it possible for you to do what you're doing.

So maybe it's not "the important thing" (as the first responder to your post said), in the sense of "the most important thing." But that doesn't mean it's not important at all. In fact, it does seem sort of smug in that grad-school way that so many Sundancers seem to love so much. (And before anybody starts bitching, I've actually been to Sundance, and film was one of my areas in grad school. So there.)

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it seems more than a little hypocritical to benefit from the economic machine that is one big part of all that madness outside your door


Yeah, I was feeling this from the outset. While I sympathize with his passion to be against any given culture, he lost all integrity by utilizing the same for what is ultimately a sub-par and short-term gain. There was a dissonance (interesting as it was on film) that these two parents who were earthy-outdoorsy types would settle for an urban jungle in tenement housing only to spend their lives lamenting the same.

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well said.

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I agree with economic conservative, and I am a welfare social worker. TANF allows adults 60 months (Five Years) aid. However, New York, similar to California, has a 'safety net' that continues to assist children under 18 (19 if they are in High School and going to graduate) after the parents 'Time-Out'.
Since the 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act, there are rules wherein adults are expected to work, look for work, or 'other activities leading to work'. Getting drunk on wine is not such an activity. But I expect New York, similar to California, has so many exemptions to the work rules as to mean there really is no work rule. I do believe that no one should buy into the mainstream culture completely; you have a responsibility to think for yourself, and to earn your own way. Doing otherwise simply hands control of your life to someone else, and people with power over you will eventually exercise it against you. Societies are built on deception to keep the masses in line and violence (at least it is implied) against any dissenters. But, that does not excuse Oscar being a useless sponge. He would certainly have to work in Peru to eat, even if it is hustling white tourists as seems to be implied in the film where mom explains how she met him.
So Tubgirl, "Yeah, because tax dollars are the important thing here." Only if you pay taxes- Do you? Taxes and money taken from someone is exercising a claim on their time and life. A little bit like slavery. Oscar does not work because he believes himself better than other people (including the people paying for his bizarre beliefs). Oscar does not care about you, and I doubt he really cares about those children.
BTW the controls Oscar exercised on his wife and children is considered Domestic Abuse in social work.

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The taxpayer's money spent on them is probably 0,000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of what Republicans (and Demos too) spent to finance terrorism, genocide, hate, fascism, wars and dictatorships all over the world.

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