She's self-obsessed, immature, has no consideration for anyone else (her mum, chloe, even finn) she's rude, she's negative, I don't see how anyone can like her. So she has moments of clarity? they never stick. She keeps saying she'd not good enough, for 3 seasons now, and you know what...I believe it.
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So she has moments of clarity? they never stick.
I think we are all guilty of that really, where we try to become better, more enlightened, postive, self ensured but eventally end up nearly always falling back into our old ways. That's what makes her more interesting for me anyway.
Plus fellow Eric Roberts fan here.Watched Runaway Train last night.Cant believe I never heard of it until pretty recently. Great movie.
yes, Runaway Train is brilliant!
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I think she's realistic.
People with depression and low self esteem can sometimes end up being quite selfish (without meaning to be) and can be a negative influence on other people because they are so low. Likewise she's prone to being forgetful because when in a 'downward spiral' she goes into a tizz and it's hard for her to focus; hence why she forgets important things like buying her mom's cake. It's not that she doesn't care, it's that her thinking is chaotic.
It's why some people with mental illness end up struggling with day to day job like shopping for food, remembering to collect something or going to see someone; they're not just idiots, their thinking is disrupted by the mental illness taking over and making them worry obsessively over one (or minor) issue (s).
The point with mental illness is that Rae will always have it. To a degree she's always going to have difficult relationships simply because she has such low self esteem and her mental illness feeds it. The good thing about Rae is that she has supportive, understanding people in her life and, unlike Liam, she does consistently apologise and tries to fix things.
It isn't that she's a fVck up, it's that she tries to make amends afterwards.
You also have to factor in that she's a teenager, so she will be immature and selfish at times.Even very nice characters, such as Archie and Chloe have moments of being unpleasant or self-centered.
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PLUS this HER diary, they've made it clear that this is how SHE sees HERSELF, and we know how she feels about herself so that's how she comes off. Remember the episode with Chloe's diary? She didn't remember things happening the way Chloe did. She remembered herself being insecure and Chloe remembered her taking over the gang.
She's what 16? 17? Not sure, but how self-aware, mature and polite were you at that age?
Take it from someone who's been there, I had a horrible relationship with my mom who thought putting me down was a motivational tool and food a way to shut me up, a best friend who was beautiful and you can't talk to them, because they don't understand what it's like to be fat and ugly. Actually be Fat and Ugly, not just "feel" fat or think they look ugly because of a bad hair day. And to have such low self-esteem that when a guy (hot or not) talks to you, you wonder what does he want with me?
This is how life is for fat people. (Some, I should say, there are women out there who own it and are awesome.)
You totally missed the point on this whole series. It's not just Rae's got problems, it's that you're not alone, everyone has something and if you're lucky enough to have friends who care about you, you should take advantage of that and talk to them.
Take it from someone who's been there, I had a horrible relationship with my mom who thought putting me down was a motivational tool and food a way to shut me up, a best friend who was beautiful and you can't talk to them, because they don't understand what it's like to be fat and ugly. Actually be Fat and Ugly, not just "feel" fat or think they look ugly because of a bad hair day. And to have such low self-esteem that when a guy (hot or not) talks to you, you wonder what does he want with me?
This is how life is for fat people. (Some, I should say, there are women out there who own it and are awesome.)
It's a shame because I did quite like Rae in series 1, but she has become worse throughout series 2 and 3. It has made me lose interest in the show.
I don't understand why people get called "trolls" or start bringing Rae's weight into it whenever someone says they don't like her. I know the show is about her, but people are allowed to have their opinions.
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Yes, I liked her well enough in season one as well, even most of season 2. But at the end of season 2 she seemed to be getting better and stronger and developing within herself and as a character...yet in season 3 within two seconds she is back to being the selfish, worst Rae. Mental illness can't excuse everything, she is not 'defined' by that. I dunno if its just bad writing, that they cant think of a way to write Rae without all this self-caused pain & drama, but I feel they do her character a real disservice sometimes.
We're supposed to root for her, but now I just want someone to tell her to grow up...oh but then she would make that sulky expression and roll her eyes with a smart comeback. And sorry, but the whole will she wont she university plotline makes her come across as a real idiot. Just talk to finn, show him you got in and see how happy he is (because he would be) and then work something out. Maybe he can even find a job near her uni i mean jeeez...
anyway, havent seen the final 3rd season episode yet, hope she redeems herself. Buying chocolates for Chloe didn't cut it for me.
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100% agree, I watched the first season and thought she was a whining self centred child. By the last
The scene where she is in the Bristol interview and starts tw@ting on about how she has not read Macbeth and, to summarise, she doesn’t have the time to read up on it, was the most annoying. No University would give you a place, conditional or not, on the bases of that as it shows a person that can’t be bothered, which summaries her attitude; fooking lazy.
She IS a child.....
Also you have no idea what certain unis may or may not want. She showed a bit of spunk and could argue her message clearly. This IS something uni's like.
(Also it was Hamlet she hadn't read not Macbeth)
Hmm...having attended Uni and sat though many interviews I think I can safely say that NO, Rae's 'interview' would not have impressed
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So you're on an interview board are you? For every uni in the UK?
Lecturers like a bit of spunk, especially unis that are a bit edgier than others....
I know someone who got into Cambridge just with one word on the essay you have to write for entrance.
Im not saying mmfd is entirely realistic but that part seemed pretty realistic to me
Playing the Devil's Advocate here for a second - I've done worse than Rae on interviews (including writing 500 words on why a certain question was completely redundant) and was still accepted to places. Granted, I was a teenager when I did that, aged 15 to 17. I'm guessing that various committees and interviewers are quite aware of the age affect. Nowadays, nearing 31, I wouldn't dare to do something like that. Perception and choices of action differ as we age. Otherwise we could all die much sooner :)
shareLauren; You can live in the fantasy world that is presented to you but the hard fact is life is not the movies.
Ive sat in more Uni interviews and auditions and I can remember and I can say with out a shadow of a doubt she would have not been given a place.
In fact the reason I got a offers at the places I did was no only down to high grades, as everyone has those, but it was down to showing that was able to get off my arse and do something rather than saying that my time was best served in the pub, as she did.
University don’t give a *beep* how much spunk you have, they want people who can do the work, show initiative and a degree of creativity.
Rae admits to not reading XY or Z and that she has no other outside pursuits (i.e outside achieves such as writing competitions or awards) to these things do not enforce her claim, they hinder it.
And this fantasy that she would give such a half arsed attempt at her A levels and still walk out with the grades she got is *beep*
The biggest thing to remember is this: if you can not do these things others CAN, and your place will go to them.
Yes she has a disability that would help her application but most large University do not need the additional funding, they chose the candidates that are the brightest and best, then out of this pool the ones that should the gumption mentioned.
I know someone who got into Cambridge just with one word on the essay you have to write for entrance.
I'll ask again are you on an interview board, or in fact just talking about going to interviews yourself??
The fact she had an answer for why she hadn't read it, and yet still have a notion of what the play is about shows initiative. Also, this is Rae's perspective of the interview, it's what is written in her diary. It's not necessarily what happened verbatim.
I am aware this is fiction (and if you bothered reading my post) I said as much, I just disagree that this one particular part wasn't that fantastical.
and yes I do....
They throw away 1 in 4 of the entrance essays, and that's even before they get to the interviews. So yes, it makes a difference.
just going to assume that you would also think stuff like Rachel's gaining a place at Nyada in Glee and her then immediate starring role on broadway is also realistic.
While neither of us (I don't think) are on an interview board, I can safely say that I have heard many friends experiences of applying to Uni's (as well as my own) whether a local one or something like Oxford, as well as a dash of good old common sense and understanding of the way things work in real life, that I find Rae's acceptance to be FANTASTICAL on the level of the convenient and ridiculous writing of GLEE.
Her answer didn't show initiative, it showed she had the bare minimum of knowledge and that she should probably start reading more instead of going out to raves if she's serious about securing a place.
Also, being interviewed for a place at University is not like auditioning for the Xfactor. They don't give a *beep* about your sob story.
Do you know what lecturers like more than 'spunk'? They like someone who shows a willingness and desire to absorb all they have to teach, and who has the smarts to know that learning isn't restricted to when you 'have to', meaning only in the classroom. And just to further this, I do have one reliable source for this, seeing that my Mum is a Lecturer.
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Thankyou, you aren't on an interview board, so in fact cannot say whether someone would or would not get in from that interview.
I have gone to university lol, twice in fact so I am quite knowledgeable on what "lecturers want" from their students..(whether we want to do it or not.) Also, creative subjects the tutors will be looking for something totally different to someone doing maths or science for example.
I'll say it again. The show can be totally unrealistic, but this part wasn't that unrealistic to me. It may be to you but that's your opinion, and this is mine.
good for you. I have been to university too. I also studied i a 'creative' subject, and so did my sister. So yeah, I'm as much an expert as YOU are, except, as i said before, I have an actual Arts Lecturer in my family...so that's first hand expert opinion on Rae's 'interview' and sorry, but the only thing she showed to those lecturers was immaturity.
And as someone else in the thread said, she cannot back up that immaturity with A) any extra-curricular activities that show interest in her subject b)much commitment to her schoolwork because she never seems to care to study
and, as stated before, even Rae receiving the grades she apparently does whilst showing such flippancy toward her exams is ridiculous. Yes, this whole plot line is ridiculous and puts the idea in kids' heads that they can do the minimum yet receive the max in return. NOT TRUE. Even if you're genius level, you have to show care and enthusiasm for your chosen subject.
NOT 'wah wah i don't have time to read shakespeare even though thats what i want to study because obsessing about my boyfriend and getting off my head at parties is more important' followed by LEAVING THE ROOM LIKE A 12 YEAR OLD IN A HUFF
wow, yeah, I can see why they'd want to give her a place!
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As much as I will defend a lot of Rae's general behaviour, I agree with the uni thing. It wasn't realistic at all. It's the sort of thing that only happens on TV or in films. She didn't really have an excuse for not reading Macbeth, or being more serious academically.
shareYes, totally agree. Based on that response from her alone I thought 'well, you obviously don't want this place at this Uni enough, Rae, or you would realise that your disregard for the very stuff you want to study, whether understandable or not, is a sure sign of immaturity and unwillingness to further herself'
I also don't get how she's suddenly the one who is 'meant to go far', please, when has she ever been shown to care about anything but Finn's penis and how *beep* her life is. You cant just tell us she deserves this place at the uni, writers, you must show us...
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'well, you obviously don't want this place at this Uni enough, Rae, or you would realise that your disregard for the very stuff you want to study, whether understandable or not, is a sure sign of immaturity and unwillingness to further herself'
I also don't get how she's suddenly the one who is 'meant to go far', please, when has she ever been shown to care about anything but Finn's penis and how *beep* her life is. You cant just tell us she deserves this place at the uni, writers, you must show us...
I'm sure you aren't so perfect yourself!
The series deals with a lot of these issues, don't forget that Rae is battling an illness from within and this show deals very well with how it affects the people around her.
I found her pretty annoying too, and I don't feel like her depression is an excuse, it's just her personality. I've been depressed, suicidal, had/have anxiety attacks etc.. and yes, it is a little depressing and can make people depressing when you're around and in that stage, it affects your judgment and the decisions you make but I just didn't like Rae's personality and I don't understand why she was made out to be the "thing that holds the gang together" I found her quite irritating at times and thought Finn deserved better.
shareI was not judging her throughout the whole two seasons because many situations seemed so familiar, but the third season... especially, the car crash episode. I mean, if she's not going to Bristol, that's ok, but why gather everyone to the non-existent housewarming party, why take Chloe out when she IS clearly trying to fulfill her dream to make it to the uni... that seemed sooo unjustified, I didn't have more patience towards Rae's character. Maybe the crew saw it too, and that's why only three episodes (:O seriously, won't there be more?) were made.
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