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Continuity Issues.

posted 8 years ago by fictionalman
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I could be wrong since no one else started a topic thread on this. The final episode revealed that when young "Martin Odum" left his "English secondary school," it was actually a Soviet covert double agent training camp and at the time "Martin Odum" knew he was actually a Russian covert agent.If that is so ,it doesn't explain how "Martin Odum" would think he could get away with leaving his Russian covert mission and live with his young "Irish wife,"(Nina Brenner) happily ever after somewhere in England? Continuity problem number two in one of the early flashbacks
Curtis Ballard was surprised to learn that Gabi Laska married that corrupt police official. In an even earlier flashback in the series finale , Gabi told Ballard she was marrying that corrupt police official Kristof Blazek ( I rewatched the episode) because he fathered her baby.So how could Ballard be surprised when Ballard later learns she married the corrupt police official?I could be wrong on my observations.
That's just my two cents.

[–] johnhelv 8 years ago

Gabi actually said she could not take her son away from his father, I am pretty sure she never said she was going to marry the guy. In fact, she said at least twice she was not the marrying kind.

[–] gracelemesos 8 years ago

Martin doesn't remember any of that, though, anything about the secondary school or that he is Russian. Remember how he doesn't recognise the Russian intelligence handler?

Martin's love interest is Ilyana and she was originally Chechnayan so... not sure what you mean about an Irish wife.

[–] fictionalman 8 years ago

gracelemesos I'm referring to the flashback when Terence told a young "Martin Odum" his future handler to break up with Nina Brenner because her parents were communists.Instead "Martin" took a teaching job at the university married Nina Brenner and moved in a house in the English county supplied by the university.Later on Nina Brenner is killed in a tragic "accident."None of this makes any sense since the series finale revealed that" Martin" knew he was actually a Russian covert operative in training.

[–] gracelemesos 8 years ago

Ah, okay. The woman he married as a young man was NOT Nina Brenner. Nina Brenner is a CIA agent played by Kelly Overton. The young wife, Rachel, is played by Amy Wren.

Here is a list of the cast; if you click on the names you can see their photos.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2402137/fullcredits/

[–] writegirl1-2 8 years ago

gracelemesos I'm referring to the flashback when Terence told a young "Martin Odum" his future handler to break up with Nina Brenner because her parents were communists.Instead "Martin" took a teaching job at the university married Nina Brenner and moved in a house in the English county supplied by the university.Later on Nina Brenner is killed in a tragic "accident."None of this makes any sense since the series finale revealed that" Martin" knew he was actually a Russian covert operative in training

Illustration of hubris? Hoping against hope? Otherwise you got me, lol. Maybe the showrunners had future plans for Nina Brenner (to only be fake-dead, or to be undercover KGB, or something). Just because we realize that this is the equivalent of signing her death warrant, I guess Martin didn't have to agree.

[–] fictionalman 8 years ago

At least you agree that the story plot did appear inconsistent.Thanks.

That's just my two cents.

[–] fictionalman 8 years ago

johnhelv You are correct. The writers must be lawyers since one could assume Gabi would eventually marry the corrupt police officer Kristof Blazek. Ballard still shouldn't have been too surprised despite her repeated claims otherwise. Thanks

[–] johnhelv 8 years ago

Gabi rejects him first in Prague. Than a second time in DC after admitting she does in fact love him because of her son, both times she says she is not really the marrying kind. I can see why Ballard might have been shocked years later that she was not only still with the Czech cop but married him. Sometimes in life people hear what they want to hear, just because YOU might have reacted one way in real life does not necessarily mean it is ridiculous for the writers to have Ballard react a different way.

[–] SBL84 8 years ago

There are all kinds of stories where covert agents try to leave their agency to live a normal life. The fact that he was young makes it even more likely that he'd try, even if they've already invested 15 or so years into him.

I'd have to watch it again, but did he know that Terrence was working for the Russians from the beginning? Or did he just know him as an MI6 operative? Because he grabs Terrence and blames him for his girlfriend's death at the funeral. So was he blaming MI6 for doing it because he refused their offer? Or was he blaming the Russians for doing it because he tried to leave?

[–] gracelemesos 8 years ago

When Rachel, his young wife, is killed he suspects that it is Terrence and MI6.
If I understood correctly, he doesn't learn that Terrence works for the Russians until the "present time" when he goes in to rescue Kate --- and the Russian intelligence guy says something like, "You really don't remember me." Before that, I don't think he ever knew that Terrence, and therefore he himself, was working for the Russians.

BUT... I see your point about when he went to see his mother before going to uni.
What did he and his mother understand then? Well, I am eventually going to watch the whole season again anyway... so I'll pay better attention to this part. LOL

[–] SBL84 8 years ago

If I understood correctly, he doesn't learn that Terrence works for the Russians until the "present time" when he goes in to rescue Kate --- and the Russian intelligence guy says something like, "You really don't remember me." Before that, I don't think he ever knew that Terrence, and therefore he himself, was working for the Russians.

There's a scene from 2004 in there where Terrence is talking to him about going undercover on the Verax mission, and Martin doesn't want to go through with it because he wants to stay with Ilyana and Kate.

Terrence says something like "MI6 might let you leave, but the Russians never would." So in 2004 both of them knew each other was working for the Russians, I'm just not sure if Martin knew Terrence was working for the Russians from the beginning. Terrence was his MI6 handler for about 20 years, so Martin could've known from the beginning, or it could have been revealed to him sometime in between.

[–] gracelemesos 8 years ago

Right.

There is so much packed into these episodes. I wish this series would have gone on for years, it is so intriguing. Drat TNT.

[–] SBL84 8 years ago

Yeah, there's so much potential. Even just going back into Martin's past.

[–] fictionalman 8 years ago

SBL84. It's kind of confusing because in the initial flashbacks it appears that young "Martin Odom" is an atypical English citizen who is recruited by Terence of MI 6 and there's no hint that young " Martin Odom" is actually a Russian operative in training. It does further muddy the plot when it is later revealed at the series finale that the young "Martin Odum" was aware he was actually Russian and enrolled in a clandestine government spy program. Why would Terence need to recruit him again? Why would a young "Martin Odum" ever think of running away and getting married? I do confess that I'm puzzled and hope other clearer thinking fans can explain it to me.

[–] SBL84 8 years ago

Well, it makes sense that he'd pretend to be an English citizen, because that's who he's supposed to be. If anyone else is watching, it'd be suspicious if he wasn't acting that way. They needed to recruit him to MI6. The boarding school was just where the headmaster could raise/train young Russians to be deep cover spies in England, getting into MI6 was another step. And if I remember correctly, it wasn't Terrence who first approached him to join MI6, he was the one that just pushed the hardest to accept him.

If Terrence and Alexei each knew each other working for the Russians from the beginning, maybe they had procedures to communicate about that specifically, but the rest of the time they just talked about MI6 things as an operative and his handler.

Why would a young "Martin Odum" ever think of running away and getting married?

Could be the most obvious reason... love.

The Russians wanted him to infiltrate MI6. MI6 was worried about the girl's background. If he's with the girl, he can't be in MI6. He chose the girl and hoped for the best.

[–] fictionalman 8 years ago

johnhelv I don't understand why you would be so defensive.I gave you proper credit. It's merely a case of difference of opinions. We can certainly agree to disagree.

[–] johnhelv 8 years ago

I apologize if you were offended or took the "YOU" in the wrong way. I was just trying to emphasis what "you" might do in real life or react to something in real life and what someone might do are two entirely different things. Sometimes I fail to realize that posters on the internet take things like capitalizing "YOU" as an attack on them or something.

[–] fictionalman 8 years ago

SBL84 If "Martin Odum" knew he was actually a deep cover operative of the KGB he would be foolish to take a wife.In other words he would be signing Nina Brenner's death warrant.If it wasn't Terrence or MI6 that tampered with Nina Brenner's car it was most certainly the KGB.Your earlier point was valid,"Martin" should have realized the KGB likely had a hand with his wife's" accident".For someone being trained in the art of covert affairs, "Martin" was too gullible to accept Terrence's simple explanation of sheer chance.