We Still Don't Know if Nas was innocent - The Night Of (2016) Discussion

[–] rick-586 8 years ago

I think we absolutely do know he is innocent... It seemed pretty clear to me he was innocent all along - If he had killed her while blacked out on drugs - he would have been covered in blood.

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[–] jigsaw001 8 years ago

I dont agree with you, and i will tell you why with question :D If someone else killed her, why not kill him to?

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[–] animositisomina35 8 years ago

The killer didn't see Naz in the kitchen. This was brought up during the trial. Someone coming up the staircase would not have been able to see if someone was in the kitchen and a picture was taken to prove that point.

This is why the writers placed Nasir in the kitchen when he woke up. It would be different if Nasir blacked out, woke up in her bed and found her dead.

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[–] ColinInLa 8 years ago

Absolutely.

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[–] bkguy182 8 years ago

how people are not getting this is beyond me.

it couldnt be more spelled out.

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[–] law607 8 years ago

The killer didn't see Naz in the kitchen. This was brought up during the trial. Someone coming up the staircase would not have been able to see if someone was in the kitchen and a picture was taken to prove that point.

If this is the case, then it blows the theory that the 4th knife in the set was the actual murder weapon.

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[–] Tim-johnston-215-469291 8 years ago

Not if the advisor got to the house before they did, waited with the 4th knife and then left with it afterwards

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[–] jpkrunch 8 years ago

Then he would have known Nas was in the house

I would say my memory is not what it used to be. But I don't remember what my memory used to be.

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[–] johncslinn 8 years ago

The knife is from the bar in the living room area where they were partying, not from the kitchen.

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[–] vladdx 8 years ago

^This

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[–] tmontyb 8 years ago

The killer didn't see Naz in the kitchen. This was brought up during the trial. Someone coming up the staircase would not have been able to see if someone was in the kitchen and a picture was taken to prove that point.

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[–] cvalik 8 years ago

This doesn't make sense honestly.

He followed her. He must've seen she's with Naz. I can think of only one reason he let him live - he wanted to pin the murder on him.

But then why then talking about the kitchen not being visible from the stairs? As if to say the advisor didn't kill Naz because he didn't see him. But he must have! Either he followed Andrea all the way or he went to her house, hid and waited (more likely) in which case he must've seen and heard everything.

I'm confuse.

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[–] vsilvio22 8 years ago

He followed her around that corner. How on earth did he follow her from Naz's taxi on that random corner, to the gas station, to the bridge, back to her place, all undetected? It's also said during the trial that he was home at 2 am but at or near her place at 3 am. He was definitely not following her that whole time, he just showed up to kill her.

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[–] Can_a_bitch_get_a_donut 8 years ago

In that case, the knife couldn't have come from her set, unless

1) killer broke in and stole knife and left and went home
2) Andrea and Naz shmush, Naz goes to kitchen
3) killer returns with knife he stole earlier and kills

This makes no sense.

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[–] spreerod1538 8 years ago

Why can't it be the knife from her set? The knife set wasn't in the kitchen.

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[–] paul_cowsill 8 years ago

It makes perfect sense. If he'd been passed out in the bed, he would've been covered in her blood and would've gotten him convicted for the crime.

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[–] jigsaw001 8 years ago

But wait, i know that, but does it make sanse to you, that all the others are been following her, and they knew that she is with some guy (naz).. and when they enter the house they knew that someone else is there, therefore naz still can be the killer.

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[–] animositisomina35 8 years ago

But wait, i know that, but does it make sanse to you, that all the others are been following her, and they knew that she is with some guy (naz).. and when they enter the house they knew that someone else is there, therefore naz still can be the killer.

Yes, it makes sense to me. There is a very specific reason that the writers placed Nasir in the kitchen. There's also a reason that it was pointed out during the trial that someone going up the staircase would not be able to see that someone is in the kitchen.

Who is they and why do you think they knew she was with a guy? Ray did not follow them because he had no reason to. He knows where she lives.

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[–] jigsaw001 8 years ago

The guy from gas station, and the dude that has been on trial..and ray did foloow her, it shows in last epizode, on camera from that hotel..alse she was affraid, she was looking back, she was expecting that someone following her but it doesnt matter..

Hear me. he was in kitchen, ok. Ray go upsters, didint see him, she fights with him, (normaly she would call for help from naz, soon as she saw ray, and looking where Naz was, and bcs of that reaction killer would asume that someone is in the house or not ?)

What about knife ?? if killer was using knife from kitchen he would see naz, if he used the knife finded in the room where they was, why in the hell would he put the knife on the table in first floor, next to stairway? and why would Naz when he was going in the kitchen took the knife and place it there? And how in the hell he dont know how he find himself in the kitchen in the first place, he was conscious, maybe he's lying ?

I know that on the trial they showed that one knife is missing from the set, and maybe killer took it with him, ok..but we dont know that. That is big maybe, no evidence for that either. But we know that they find only Naz prints ..

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[–] Tony_Silvio 8 years ago

You've clearly never blacked out if you're confused about why Naz has no idea how or why he slept in the kitchen. Anyway, even if Naz would have heard anything/woken up, why do you assume Andrea would have screamed? She was face-down, for all we know the first stab was fatal and she never even woke up.

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[–] vladdx 8 years ago

if killer was using knife from kitchen

Knife was from the bar where the whole set was not the kitchen.

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[–] FringeFanatic314 8 years ago

Aren't we forgetting the cab with her in it was followed all night (cell phone pings)? It would have been known he was there regardless of being actually seen in the house.

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[–] philfeeley 8 years ago

The killer didn't see Naz in the kitchen.

But where did he get the knife if it wasn't from the kitchen? I know they were establishing that you can't see anyone in the kitchen if he entered from the back gate, but unless he brought the knife with him he'd have had to get it from the kitchen.

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[–] emo_ville2002 8 years ago

But where did he get the knife if it wasn't from the kitchen? I know they were establishing that you can't see anyone in the kitchen if he entered from the back gate, but unless he brought the knife with him he'd have had to get it from the kitchen.

If you recall, when Dr. Katz was on the stand....he mentioned to DA Weiss the knife set was sold in a group of 4 knives.

The knives were in the drawer of the piece of furniture in Andrea's living room.

The knives were not in the kitchen, the killer did not have to enter to kitchen to get one of the knives.

Since the killer was likely familiar with Andrea's home, the consensus is that the killer was Andrea's financial advisor as well as her ex-lover. He was the guy at her funeral who was arguing with the step-father and the same guy Box confronted at the casino, Paulo Costanzo of "Royal Pains".

When Andrea bought Naz home and she cut the lime for the tequila, she walked to a piece furniture which was in the living room....she got the knife out of a small drawer.

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[–] philfeeley 8 years ago

Good explanation. That clears it up.

I think the most telling evidence for Naz's innocence was the lack of blood on his clothes.

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[–] baybmee 8 years ago

and also telling ...yes that many stab wounds the knife would have slipped a few times in his hands resulting in cuts and mixed blood no doubt.

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[–] arashpour 8 years ago

Because when the killer entered the house he was in the kitchen which made him unvisible to the killer.

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[–] Bouge75 8 years ago

With Nas there the killer knew Nas would be the primary suspect. I would have kept him alive too.

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[–] faisal-maj 8 years ago

If he is already passed out, why would killer want to kill him. Killer rather would want him to be prime suspect.

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[–] dceuera 8 years ago

Why would they kill him he would be the number 1 suspect imo leave him alive and even if he does get proven not guilty the whole thing is such a mess it would be close to impossible at that point to find the real killer.

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[–] larshevn 8 years ago

If he was conscious enough to kill Andrea, he might also have been conscious enough to take measures to prevent being covered in blood. Maybe he washed off the blood in the shower - I don't recall that they checked for DNA there. Naz was obviously naked while they were having sex, so clearly there would be no blood on his clothes if he did kill her.

The thing is, Naz's "aura of innocence" is based on the fact that Naz doesn't remember things clearly. He thinks that he's innocent, and people believe that too by extension - but that doesn't really matter.

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[–] mfvnyt 8 years ago

I dont understand how could they forget about the blood! there was blood all over the wall!

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[–] cyruss_ 8 years ago

he should have been covered with her blood anyway, he put a knife through her hand, they didn't go bandage it up and instead went straight into rough sex while she was bleeding -- no way would her blood NOT be on him, the knife went right through and her hands were ON him while they were having sex.

The fact there was no blood on him tells me that he at the very least had a shower in his blackout state. So who knows what else he did in that blackout - I mean even when he was sitting in the kitchen, if I remember correctly he had his tshirt back on, so he got partly dressed... he was moving about and doing stuff after the sex/murder for him to go to the kitchen.

Given how well he fits in with a prison gang and him kicking the *beep* out of the guy on the floor in the prison, pushing that kid down the stairs and not reacting, throwing a full can of coke at a kid and sending him to hospital.... Everything I learned about Naz in this show tells me he's got an aggressive side and is a bit stone cold. We still don't know what he did during that blackout - honestly I think he did it, and has gotten away with it, just not sure if he remembers or not. i think he believes he didn't do it but doesn't know for sure. I don't know why they didn't do a psych eval on him, he may have mental issues, or at the very least maybe some hypnotism may awake the lost memories.

The show left out a lot. If he did have a shower like I think, then it should have been mentioned, there'd be blood in the shower/drain/towel. Unfortunately there's a lot of holes in an otherwise decent show.

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[–] Frozen_North 8 years ago

The fact there was no blood on him tells me that he at the very least had a shower in his blackout state.

But his hair was still dry and combed when he woke up so even if he'd taken a shower and didn't wash his hair there should be blood in it either way. In fact, the first thing she touches with her freshly stabbed hand is the side of his head but no blood is left behind. I really think this was just a complete oversight by the writers and thus doesn't hint to either his innocence or guilt.

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[–] guyw-11835 8 years ago

I thought the series was excellent but felt frustrated that no one on the defense brought up the fact that there was not a drop nor splash of blood on Nasir when arrested, something that surely would have happened if he had stabbed her 22 times.

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[–] FlowerpetalSkunk 8 years ago

Jigsaw

Thats easy to explain. If Naz was unconcious the killer could have left him there so he could get the blame for the murder. It would be the perfect crime in a sense (based on sheer luck on the killers part).

Still i cant absolutly say if Naz is guilty or innocent. Even if hes guilty, i would still feel kinda sad for him, considering the murder happened while he was blackout high from drugs he had never taken before (he didnt really want to take them either, he just ended up following his libido instead of his brain).

Personally i think it was either the finance guy or the PT (complete humsn garbage).

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[–] ewansp-2 8 years ago

But why did he wake up IN THE KITCHEN ?? I so want to know.

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[–] mobocracy 8 years ago

Drink a half-dozen shots of tequila with a hit of molly and some special K and you'll know.

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[–] Tony_Silvio 8 years ago

Right? I'm in no way recommending a path that leads to addiction and destruction, but how are people confused about the fact that when you drink and do drugs, you get *beep* up?

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[–] maxorec 8 years ago

The thing that bothered me that they never brought up is if he was guilty, he'd have blood all over him. That alone tells me he didn't stab someone 22 times.

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[–] bburcubilgin 8 years ago

He is innocent. Actually Detective Box solved the case. But it was too late. He told everything to Jeannie. She also knew Nas was innocent but didn't want to say it in the court. Then jury's decision was a chance and Jeannie did it. Nas is really really innocent. He went to sea side and remembered the night with Andrea. He liked him and he is unhappy. Jeannie said to Box ''go and get him''. Real murderer. Everything is clear man :) This show was about ''how system can ruin people's life''. Not ''who killed her''. Not a CSI case :))

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[–] Top_Shelf 8 years ago

We know Box never truly believed Naz was the murderer; Naz, for him, was just convenient and most likely due to circumstances. Now we also know the DA doesn't believe it either. Otherwise, she wouldn't have dropped the prosecution.

I never believed he did it. Although I did want to hear from a medical professional if the combination of his allergies, prescribed medications, and recreational ingestions could have created a monster before it caused his blackout.

Now since we've seen the real killer leaving the scene and disposing his blood stained clothing and the murder weapon on video, I don't understand your continued skepticism.

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[–] kpark1996 8 years ago

When do we see the killer on video doing all that? Is that really in there?

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[–] Top_Shelf 8 years ago

Box watched various video feeds from the night of the murder. He started with the girl getting into Naz's taxi then went backwards. He saw her altercation with the guy from 'Royal Pains' before she got in the cab and followed him via video surveillance. Timestamp showed him in the vicinity in his car near the time the crime was committed. Another one showed him ditching clothes and what could have been a knife.

You missed that?

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[–] kpark1996 8 years ago

I saw most of that but I missed the part with him ditching clothes and a knife.

Great...now I gotta watch it again.

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[–] KolaDude 8 years ago

If I'm not mistaken, we see him ditch a bag. I don't remember there being any indication that clothes or a knife are in there.

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[–] FateTheMagnificent 8 years ago

Yes, he ditched a bag. We don’t know what was in it, and we don’t know for sure that Ray was the killer. Box certainly has enough evidence to make Ray a primary suspect, but he didn’t prove Ray was the killer with what he had found up to the end of the series.

We’ll never know for sure who killed her, but that wasn’t the point of the series so it doesn’t matter.

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[–] KolaDude 8 years ago

Except many people are arguing that the show did definitively tie up that loose end. i disagree with that and didn't understand why the showrunners would intentionally not tell the audience who did it, even if that wasn't the point of the show. someone made a very compelling argument for why (something to the effect of the show wants to tell us that Box and Weiss are on to something but that doesn't mean they will catch the guy or that they won't continue to make the same types of mistakes they made prior [might of been you, not sure] which goes along with the theme of an imperfect legal and penal system). But, you still get many people who try to say the show definitely closed that loop which I very much don't agree with.

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[–] spacecitystunna 8 years ago

If the girl's killer wasn't the point of the series, why would they even waste time implicating the financial advisor at the end? Stone's foot condition got plenty of screen time and resolution, despite having nothing to do with the point of the series.

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[–] Top_Shelf 8 years ago

what could have been

All he needs to do is conduct a search to retrieve it - "the bag," clothing or whatever.

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ooops. I forgot how much time has passed since the incident. Perhaps if he'd conducted this search as part of the initial investigation...

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[–] FateTheMagnificent 8 years ago

I think he dropped it in a dumpster, so exactly where could this bag be retrieved from? NY trash used to be dumped in the ocean, but I’m sure they have a more elegant way of disposing of it now. Even if it wasn’t dumped in the ocean, it would be buried amongst thousands, if not millions of tons of other trash.

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[–] Top_Shelf 8 years ago

Yeah, while I was typing I realized that just because he just saw the video doesn't mean it happened last night.

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[–] KolaDude 8 years ago

You wrote that he ditched clothes and what could have been a knife. Nothing to suggest he ditched clothes.

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[–] trebor_trancheplanete 8 years ago

Actually, the Killer was the funeral parlour guy at the gas station and he also killed that other woman they found the body in one of the episodes. This is a remake of a British show called Criminal Justice. Check it out.

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[–] spacecitystunna 8 years ago

Everyone is forgetting about the other girl who was killed in a similar way. Nas was locked up when that murder happened, and the financial advisor had no motive to kill her. I don't think either of them did it.

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[–] makaveli80 8 years ago

Everyone is forgetting about the other girl who was killed in a similar way. Nas was locked up when that murder happened, and the financial advisor had no motive to kill her. I don't think either of them did it.

actually, when Box went to the casino to speak to Raymond, the financial adviser, at one point doesn't he say how long are you going to do this? Beating up prostitutes and nobody is going to notice?

So the financial adviser guy definitely has a history

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