Why burn it down?


Why burn down the hotel? I understand the owners were dicks and he needed the food. But he had the food, he ran off their horses so they couldn't come after him, I see no reason why he killed them by lighting the place on fire and trapping them upstairs. It just seems out of character. I realize he's sort of an anti hero and all but senseless murderer? Just a very confusing part to an awful film.

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I agree and have already posted that I found it heinously excessive.
Also that if he were one to indulge in such prideful macho revenge, he'd have to torch the gambling saloon too, for also kicking him out.

It was beyond ugly and brutal to burn people alive and eclipsed whatever goodness prompted him to escort the crazy ladies all the way East.

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Heinously excessive? Brutal? Good God the men turned 4 STARVING people away from a huge amount of food. That's life and death stuff. Again, that's karma.

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Karma, to my mind, is something in the hands of Higher Powers, something the Divine Source metes out. Whereas humans can opt for Justice or Revenge.

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Karma, in my mind, does come about from the hands of Higher Powers. However, I think the Higher Powers can use humans to assist them to get the job done. Karma is complex, and sometimes it's ethical, and sometimes the opposite.

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UNethical Karma? Pls say more!

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Good grief, Karma is nonsense..

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Okay, that's your legit opinion, but please explain why you have it; let's discuss matters, not just drop officious stink-bombs.

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Karma is the stink bomb, we're talking previous lives here. So, firstly, what do you know that supports your idea of previous lives.. and if it's sensible, then we can talk about Karma.

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Karma doesn't just deal with reincarnation; it also effects us in the give &take of this life alone. Have you never seen someone act unethically and then get payback soon afterwards? That's playfully referred to as "instant karma." So if your issue is with previous lives, that doesn't have to be on the table here.

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If you remove the concept of previous lives, how do you account for people who are not necessarily rewarded or held accountable during their lifetime? What about child abuse, is that Karma? Insisting payback is karma is just an appeal to moral objectivity i.e good is always rewarded and evil is always punished and we know that's just not the case. Previous lives are indeed integral to the logical concept of Karma and as we have not a shred of evidence for reincarnation or the idea that there must be consequences to human actions, Karma is purely subjective wishful thinking... end of conversation.

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What if there is no higher power?

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They did turn starving people away, but weren't there people there who didn't know about it? Innocent people who didn't know about the earlier incident?

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It's not karma. Karma isn't about punishing individuals for individual misdeeds. Karma is about ensuring a balance of good and bad across the whole universe.

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I think this whole show was excessive, and that was the point.

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Really? Pls say more...

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And what about that poor servant whom he shooed away before setting the fire? Where the heck was she supposed to go?

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Go nuts, and transported to a life of sanctimonious preaching via Meryl Streep.

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Lol. Yeah, she was on the bus No.2! I hear that's the sequel coming out next year...

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Lol!

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Lol. I'd rather die in a fire.

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Lol!

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Better to be homeless than dead...






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The hotel had to burn due to inhospitably, which contrary to popular belief was the reason Sodom and Gomorra was destroyed in an inferno. This movie had deep religious overtones. In Hebrew and Muslim traditions communities showing inhospitably is a huge no-no! Remember the village protecting the Lone Survivor fought the Taliban just to protect a guest in need.

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It made no sense that noone got out the window and just let themselves burn to death. Anyone would rather have broken legs rather than burn to death!

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Watch again; someone did exit the burning hotel through a window.

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that was my favorite part of the movie, you see the one guy jump out on fire with this funny shriek. i don't think it was supposed to be funny, but it was. this movie did have some odd humor to it despite being so depressing.

Larry Gaylord: "a billion people come in on a day off, and they don't flip out!"

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He was stealing from some wealthy, powerful men with resources, that may just be petty enough to track him down soon or sometime after, ...especially after ruining the preparations for the big players they had coming.

He already had a group of men trying to hang him just for squatting on temporarily vacant property, so it isn't that far-fetched that the hotel owners would track him down for stealing and ruining their business deals.

Plus I doubt he gave a da*n about the type of men that would let him and the women starve.

And besides, the worst that should have happened to the men was a few broken legs/bones from jumping out the windows. It was just lame writing to have them burn alive.

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He did exactly what I would have expected him to do. In fact, when they were leaving the hotel I said, "He will be back and burn that hotel down, just wait and watch". Those well fed pretentious arse holes didn't care that there were 4 starving people that had not eaten for 3 days and they had tons of food. I don't think they really should have died in the fire, just the hotel burned was good enough. But you know that's how karma works.

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That's what I said too! "He'll be back to burn that place down, I saw it on fire on the poster."

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"Those well fed pretentious arse holes didn't care that there were 4 starving people that had not eaten for 3 days and they had tons of food."

oh, please....

Why should they give any food at all...? Did you maybe see a red cross painted on the house...? And when another hungry caravan comes by, you will feed them too...? and another, and another...?

How much food did you send to kids in Africa or Syria or another *beep* up country in this world this year??? you well fed pretentious arse hole...?

And by your thinking, I can burn houses of people, who don't give food to hungry people...

riiiiight.... you well fed pretentious arse hole.

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Oh Please. Go crawl back in your hole. It's people like you that are what's wrong with the world right now.

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So it's OK to burn people alive, If they don't help those in need...?

I'm realist, but you are just sick....

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Briggs offered to pay for the food and they still turned him down. He wasn't looking for a handout.

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Why should they give any food at all...? Did you maybe see a red cross painted on the house...? And when another hungry caravan comes by, you will feed them too...? and another, and another...?



He wasn't asking for 4 FREE meals, he clearly stated that he intended to PAY for those meals, baths and rooms. If the guy didn't want them in the hotel when his investors got there, he could have simply SOLD him 4 plates and sent him on his way.

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why not burn it down? who's gonna know he did it? who's gonna come after him? they all presumably died in that hotel and no one else was there to see anything. maybe his character was a little wrong in the head. maybe he just felt like it was revenge for turning down starving women. besides that, did you expect him to burn the place down? probably not, so perhaps the film was unpredictable, just like it was when Swank's character was killed off or when the guy at the end kicked her tombstone off the boat. again, you probably never saw any of that coming. maybe TLJ wanted to break a couple of cliches by making a movie that, regardless of quality, at least gave you a couple of surprises. surely you can appreciate that.

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This is not something that is out of character, quite the opposite. We are given hints to Jones' character, and his rather selfish and cowardly past. He is by no means the cliched` good guy that a lot of people are comfortable with seeing on the silver screen.

He is instead a complex character that is capable of all the different types of actions and emotions of any real human, including cruelty and harshness. Burning down the hotel would be excessive and out of place for Swank's character, not Jones'. That scene intentionally shows us that he is nothing more than a human being, who is capable of mercilessly killing people in the name of saving his own, even killing them when there really is no reason to.

There would be no point to purposely give the audience an insight to a character's questionable past, if all the current actions of said character contradict such a personality. What he did was perfectly logical for his rationale. He saw it as justice, plain and simple.

Please keep in mind that this is not my favorite movie, far from it. I actually watched it to its conclusion because I'm a huge fan of Tommy Lee Jones. I will agree that this movie is very bleak, slow paced, and depressing. However, sometimes movies like this are a good change of pace compared to the usual rubbish that we see in theaters.

Cheers
Rob

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Hey - somebody understood what was going on!

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Besides the hotel-owners being dicks and Lee-Jones character having been hinted as more than a little lawless, the reason also lie in the fact that this is a Western. You need to have a look at the mythology of the western, the fact that these developers who were going to build into the West were going to end the way of life of people like Lee Jones character. I saw him burning it down as the last vengeful but futile act of the cowboy/law-breaker against encroaching civilization.
Its a hard empty cruel plains but it was what they called home, and any other place didn't want people like him.

Also if you see the man keeps getting pushed out of places for not being good enough. We are literally introduced to him with him being blown out of a home he wants to claim as his own. Its a running theme, the burning down was him finally not wanting to take it anymore.

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