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unnecessary disturbing scenes


1) a woman throws a baby in a toilet bowl.

2) a man has sex with a woman when her mother lying next to her in same bed.

I think this scenes are not necessary for the film and very disturbing.


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This is a film about the wild west dealing with disturbed people.
Life is nor only love.

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Well said.

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Right. Maybe such incidents did happen. If I were a filmmaker I would research for a few horrendous incidents that were documented and portray those. It fends off the criticism. You simply reply: It really happened.

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1) a woman throws a baby in a toilet bowl.

2) a man has sex with a woman when her mother lying next to her in same bed.

I think this scenes are not necessary for the film and very disturbing.


#1 is necessary to show the depth of the woman's crazy. Ugly but needed.

#2 Probably happened for centuries before most people were able to afford separate rooms. Most of human history, many families shared a single room. In the past, wealthy couples shared the room with servants.

Privacy for sex is not that old for western culture.



No two persons ever watch the same movie.

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I found the baby scene very disturbing, but necessary. The men were "getting some" before their wives were shipped away, they didn't give a hoot who was watching. The barn "love" scene was just as disturbing. Typical of the times.

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How do you know that was typical of the times? Curious.

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You say the men but it was just 1 man

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They had a separate room, he was sleeping there. His wife didn't want to have sex with him, that's why she was sleeping with her mom. He had sex with her because he needed a son to take over the farm when he'd grow old. That's how it worked back then, and even now in some places. He also probably considered that having a baby will 'fix' her.

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I agree completely. These scenes detract from the good work that was invested in this film.
1) There were already enough scenes that indicated she was loony.
2) That scene served no purpose whatsoever.

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Did Swank and Jones share a sex scene?

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Not a graphic one. No kissing or nudity during the act.

I see Stupid People...

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Damn. Guess that was the only time where Lee Jones wanted to tone down the shock value of the book.

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Because of what happens shortly after that quite little fuc|< and is revealed to the homesman the next morning I found it all the more shocking.

Your sarcasm is spot on though.

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Everyone will reap what they earn.

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Wrong.

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There were three of us in this marriage
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You mean "Reap what they sow".

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Well, if one is shocked by having sex in front of other people, it's worth noting that the three madwomen are watching Briggs and Cuddy, with some interest.

I found the scene far more shocking than if he had kissed her and indulged in a bit of foreplay or even if we got to see skin touching skin. Briggs is no more a lover than those women's husbands were. For him as for them, sex is a sinful & unwelcome thing that a man does to a woman, and she is not supposed to enjoy it, just give permission. Presumably if he gave her any pleasure in the process he would be encouraging lechery.

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Swank was nude.

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Horrific stories have been told since men started walking on two legs and developed language, the only reason why most people don't want to see it, is because they don't want to be visually confronted with the ugly truth of life...

Houses weren't big, 10-12 children weren't uncommon, and they aren't flown in by storks. You also may have noticed the role of women in this movie, it was pretty common for that era (a woman complaining she 'ain't got no man at 31', and is desperately seeking, even accepting a senior citizen). And some men treating them as hardly little more than property/babyproducers/seed-receptors...

Cutting such scenes from the movie would diminish the whole movie, it would be like cutting the gas-chamber/oven scenes from Auschwitz. The only reason why we are not used to seeing such imagery is the American ratingsystem, and the low-sales repercussions for a movie with an R-rating. It pushes moviemakers to leave out/mask/blur such scenes.

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The purpose was to show the reality of life back then. Be thankful you didn't have to live in those times. What you saw in this movie was more common than not. Repeat: More common than not. My sensibilities were not offended, I prefer reality being depicted accurately.

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it was an adaptation from a novel, so I'm sure he was trying to be honest to that. And it was showing how rough that time and place could be which is what lead to the women loosing their sanity. I thought the baby in the outhouse was a very dark and memorable point. I think it was put to good use.

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they use unhuman and savage images to make their work memorable. I am a father of two children and that outhouse scene made me very sad and uncomfortable. We should not tolerate this kind of abusive ugliness for the success of the movies.

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I also a father of two. If these scenes make you uncomfortable enough that you feel you must turn a blind eye to the real world then might I recommend some Pixar or Dreamworks Animation films?

This kind of ugliness should not only be tolerated but encouraged when it is used properly.

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That scene was in the damn book.

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Go talk about the damn book on the damn book forum. This here is the forum for the film.

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The entire movie exists only because of the book. Anyone who's read the book is not looking for a new version but a visual rendering of the author's story. This forum deals with the connection between the book and the movie. Just because you don't like to read is irrelevant.

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The film was based on the book Ace. Grow a brain.

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they use unhuman and savage images to make their work memorable. I am a father of two children and that outhouse scene made me very sad and uncomfortable.

Bingo. Then you got the point of the scene. Believe it or not, it wasn't supposed to make you feel cheery and peppy. It was about just that: a measure of the madness and the sadness of the place and how those three women just happened to lose their marbles, despite being mothers and wives.

They are not using savagery and inhuman images to make their work memorable, they are using them to convey their point. If the point of the movie disturbs you too much to watch, it's your choice.

For every lie I unlearn I learn something new - Ani Difranco

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Freedom of expression is numero uno in the Constitution. If you don't like it then don't watch it. If you saw it nonetheless then get off your lazy bum and do your due diligence and find out what the film is about. Or do you think that your needs should be above the rest of ours, Mr. Megalomaniac?

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Sigh. I find it so irritating when people bring the constitution into places it doesn't belong. Freedom of expression ONLY APPLIES TO GOVERNMENT CENSURE.

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I guess you don't know ANYTHING about the history of film and media and the attempts to censor it. Pornography is the typical medium that's threatened: remember Hustler and Larry Flint who took his case and the attempts to censor it to the Supreme Court and won? The fascist I was responding to said that "we shouldn't stand for this" in reference to a scene where a nutjob threw her baby in an outhouse. I was simply heading him off at the pass with my comments. Sorry that was missed by you but I imagine that it's not the only thing.

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It seems like reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

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He can't help himself, he is a man and probably has not read much history. Growing up in Kansas, there were a lot of stories and history that said many people who lived on the prairie, miles from anyone else, had a good chance of going crazy.The isolation and hard life would drive a lot of women crazy as many of them might not have been prepared for the living conditions when they moved out on the prairie to homestead. also most of those homes were one room dugouts in the earth. The prairie fires and windstorms could devastate half the state at one blow. No wonder people went crazy.

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It's rated R. And is based off a novel. Do some research, buddy. It's not fantastical, that stuff happened and still does happen, so it's very HUMAN actually.

Now THAT was some straight up David Copperfield sh_t!

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A scene like that is supposed to make you sad and uncomfortable. It's supposed to be a reminder than in previous times life was hard and cruel and uncompromising, and maybe as a reminder that things weren't always so rosy in the good ol' days ...

It's not abuse, it's a portrayal of reality.

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I keep thinking of how this movie fits so well within "The Western" genre. As such there's plenty that's disturbing about westerns--always was and always will be. For what it's worth, tho, the sex scenes and a baby dying (in this movie) are NOT any more disturbing than many a typical western of years past: wholesale slaughtering of Native Americans, women relegated to "whore houses" to make a living, people hanged for something as simple as stealing horses. Sanitized, glamorized, stereotypified "disturbing" is apparently palatable compared to what's more realistically disturbing. Frankly, the way those women were treated, it's a miracle that there weren't more driven mad than the three shown here.

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As a father of five living children and one dead, I ask you, "What planet are you from?"

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Sir, you are a prude!
The scenes included were supposed to be disturbing! These ladies were disturbed! The cause were the surroundings, their lives, the times,and sadly, their men, that caused their mental states.
The scenes were only to show how disturbed they had become. One killing her baby, one self harming, the other retreating into herself and loving a doll.
Sir, these are the realities of life, regardless of the era!

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Maybe when an adaptation is only inspired by a book I will.

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It's a little funny to me. I don't have an overwhelming desire to defend the movie, probably because it was so disturbing in places, but... I thought on your comment for a while (I just finished the movie) and I thought that, as people, we have a tendency to romanticize periods of time we're not from. I think that might have been the point here... there was just no romanticizing this.

Take for example our love for the Middle Ages-- often lauded as a time for chivalry, artistic integrity, or colored by what we think life lived in a castle would have been like. We weed out the rampant disease, the large-scale starvation, and the terribly ugly wars.

But we do this for every period! It's the grass is greener phenomenon we all seem to suffer from. Even recent history falls prey. Think of the 60s. We're usually painting it as a time of free love and free expression. Hippies and Haight Ashbury and peace signs. But in the 60s we also had the Vietnam War (one of our bloodiest "skirmishes"), race riots, and massive contentions not only between the pro and anti war movement, but between sexes, labor disputes and the death of a President!

So, yeah. We do this all the time. We think how amazing it would have been to return to a time when things were so simple and it was just life on the plains. Farming and the quiet nights spent with family around the warmth of our own hearth. Well, I think that's part of what they were trying to do with all the disturbing imagery. Not just point out that these weren't idyllic times, no. They were hard, but at times, they were beyond the comprehension of the word. They were brutal, unforgiving, and at times, extremely tormenting times. So bad, the only option left was to abandon the mind.

I won't say that I think they were 100% successful in everything they were trying to do with this movie (though, I have to be fair and say I haven't read the story). But to this end, I think (if it was their intention), that they accomplished what they set out to do. Unnerve. Rile. And, even revile.

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While I didn't particularly like the movie, I think your point was well illustrated in the movie Midnight in Paris (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1605783/?ref_=nm_knf_t2). Every artist dreamed of living the the idealized prior age.

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woman who throws the baby in to toilet bowl is the other one. Not the one lost 2 children you mentioned.

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Use spoiler black bars and spoiler warnings? Ok you maybe should warn people as some might not want to see this as it's pretty ugly BUT nevertheless it IS realistic! IT has happened. It DOES happen today. And partly so because YOUR government *beep* you and the rest of the world as deep as they can (excuse the metaphor). Check StormCloudsGathering on youtube if you must; Road to WW3 is a good and short one. you might think this is off-topic but if you dig a bit it is nothing else than spot on. Hope I helped somehow.

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The diversity of opinions one finds on the internet never ceases to amaze me. Yes, they were disturbing, the first especially so. These scenes were instrumental in showing the audience the depth on a woman's insanity and the cause of another's. If you want it neatly portrayed in a Hallmark Made for TV film, that's your right. But the rest of us might appreciate something considerably less gentrified and truer to the horrors that life can offer. With that in mind, they were absolutely and completely necessary. Perhaps North Korea is a good destination for you?

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Spot on, my friend, spot on. The value of human life rises and falls with the society surrounding it.

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