The Issue With Big Bang Theory


First there was nothing, then there was some gas, then then there was the big bang etc etc.

It has been asked many times and for my money, it's never been answered correctly. Where did the gas come from?

If evolution theory tells us one thing, it's that everything came from something else. So again, where did the gas come from. It didn't come from nothing. It didn't create itself.

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"It has been asked many times and for my money, it's never been answered correctly. Where did the gas come from?"

I can't speak for everyone who posts on IMDb, but I can definitely say I don't know. 

Whatever the actual explanation is, I'm fairly confident the Big Bang had a natural cause rather than a supernatural cause.

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No one knows, something that Tyson admits to. It's a puzzle for sure. Just like empty space going on for infinity. It's logical, but a total mind trip.

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If evolution theory tells us one thing, it's that everything came from something else.


Try learning what the theory of evolution is before saying what it tells us.
Because, no, that is not what the theory of evolution tells us. Here's a hint, the theory of evolution deals with living populations. ie. Not gasses.

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I know what the theory of evolution is and it's not just about just living populations at all, it's Darwin's idea that all life, whether it be flowers, fruit, animals, humans etc, are all related. So, thanks, but I don't need a hint, maybe you do.

I was using the theory as an example that everything comes from something else.

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If anyone actually does work out what caused the Big Bang, the scientist (or team of scientists) would not only win the Nobel prize, their fame and place in the history books would well and truly eclipse that of every scientist who came before them. Einstein, Darwin and Newton would look like small fry in comparison.

It's safe to say the world would be completely changed.

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I know what the theory of evolution is and it's not just about just living populations at all, it's Darwin's idea that all life, whether it be flowers, fruit, animals, humans etc, are all related. So, thanks, but I don't need a hint, maybe you do.


Which is, of course, why you said it says everything comes from something.

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So what's your problem?

If you get in bed with the devil, sooner or later you have to fvck.

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So what's your problem?


The problem is that evolutionary theory has absolutely nothing to do with issues of cosmology. There is absolutely no logical connection justifying you even bringing it up in this context.

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"First there was nothing, then there was some gas, then then there was the big bang etc etc."

It would be more correct to say "First, there might have been 'nothing'. Then there was the Big Bang. Then, after a series of crucial stages in the chronology of the Universe, there was gas."

There are two important points to make here. First, no one knows if there was anything before the Big Bang, or even if the concept of "before the Big Bang" is valid. Second, in quantum physics, there is no such thing as "nothing". Even in a perfect vacuum, particles are constantly being created and destroyed thanks to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle (for details on this, look up 'vacuum fluctuations' or the 'Casimir effect').

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I've actually read a lot about the Big Bang in various sciencebooks, and I'm confident that I can answer your question regarding where the gas came from. But first, I need to straighten out some misconceptions that you have about the Big Bang theory.

1. There was no gas before the Big Bang.
2. There was no time before the Big Bang, and the reason has a lot to do with general relativity, which is far too long and complicated for me to explain here. Just f.y.i, your gps wouldn't even be able to function without taking relativity into account.

At the instant of the Big Bang, space-time (basically the entire universe and all the energy contained within) expanded outward from a single point. Keep in mind, gas is just a state of matter, it consists atoms from the periodic table bouncing off of each other and other atoms at random.

There were no atoms in the first few moments of the Big Bang. There was only pure energy. From that energy all the elementary particles formed, including quarks, electrons, neutrinos etc etc. Energy and matter are equivalent, that's what Einstein's famous E=mc^2 (or more accurately E^2 = (mc^2)^2 + (pc)^2) equation means. As space expanded, the temperature of this universal group of particles continued to cool enough such that quarks came together to form protons and neutrons, and then those protons and neutrons formed atomic neuclei which attracted electrons to them. And there you go! That's how the first three elements in the periodic table formed, hydrogen, helium, and lithium.

It's worth noting that, these atoms must have been unevenly distributed for the Big Bang theory to be considered viable. Otherwise, the gravity on each atom by every other atom would have been uniform, and none of them could have come together to form stars. But with the discovery of the cosmic microwave background radiation(CMB), it was confirmed that the distribution of elements was patchy and uneven! This makes the CMB, and the observed red shifting of all the distant galaxies, the final clinching proof that the Big Bang must have happened.

So there's your answer, the gas formed from the energy of the Big Bang itself. Now I'm sure you'll want to know where that energy came from. Unfortuately, that's where we hit a dead end. No one knows where the energy came from. I don't know if it's even possible to find out. But that doesn't matter. That unanswered question does not invalidate the Big Bang theory, there's too much evidence that already supports it.

But that's ok. The Big Bang theory doesn't invalidate God. Heck, the Belgian mathematician who came up with the Big Bang theory was a priest! And he believed that a start date for the universe was totally consistant with God's creation of the universe. The only thing that the Big Bang is inconsistent with is a literal interpretation of the Bible. And I'm fairly certain that is really where your beef with the Big Bang comes from. Scientists are not "in bed" with Satan. We're just curious, and skeptical, people who want to know more about how the universe works.


Btw, if anyone spots a mistake in my long-winded explanation, don't hesitate to leave a reply. I'm not a P.H.D physicist, so I'm not pretending to be an expert.

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It came from The Turtle's butt hole.

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You win!

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