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Global Warming is a hoax funded by globalists.


The whole purpose of insisting global warming exists in spite of contradictory evidence can be traced to those who would benefit from it politically--the global government advocates. Individual countries couldn't solve this problem without trashing their economies if it actually existed.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2681829/Global-warming-latest- Amount-Antarctic-sea-ice-hits-new-record-high.html

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Weather it was peak oil, global cooling, ozone hole, global warming, or today's flavor of the week title of "climate change", the groups pushing it are always the same. The solutions are always more govt, communism, global blah blah. Tomorrow it'll be called something else, and all the international workers party groups will show up to their rally's with their machine made signs calling for bigger govt, end to capitalism, la la la. They'll blame the US, call for more regulation, and China and Russia will magically be left out of the "calls for change". Fortunately people know who these groups are now and that's why anyone with half a brain knows these lame causes are just that. Doesn't matter how many shows on science the left hijacks, or how many socalled scientists from the left join the minority consensus. The vast majority sees it for the bs that it is.

"When he found that his long cherished beliefs did not agree with the most precise observations, he accepted the uncomfortable facts. He preferred the hard truth to his dearest illusions. That is the heart of science."
- Carl Sagan on Johannes Kepler

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The vast majority sees it for the bs that it is.
Unfortunately, there are far too many low-information voters. Even more distressing, many of them have (liberal) college degrees. Glad I steered clear of the humanities in college.

The globalists have to constantly change the problem because we catch on. They never do change the solution, do they?

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Low information voters? Ironic, since you composed this pre-Trump. His voters somehow sunk even lower to being NO information voters.

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... Trump. His voters somehow sunk even lower to being NO information voters.
Actually, most Trump voters ignored the liberal mainstream media and became better informed as a result. The latest example of MSM omission has been virtually no coverage of violent threats against Trump electors and today's protests in state capitals. Democrats can't be shown as sore losers, even though many of them are to the extreme.

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Riiiiight. Like how many of them believed Clinton was running a child sex ring in the back of Pizzeria. Yep you want to stay away from actual news organizations that wouldn't report on such stupidity.

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The solutions are always more govt, communism, global blah blah.


Communism?
Sounds like you've lost your marbles, gd5150.

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Yeah. You should write it up and get yourself the Nobel.

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Exactly. That would prove he was smart. Like when Obama was handed a Nobel in 2008 for winning an election. Remember all the times he left the campaign trail to work for peace? Me neither. Or perhaps he could be handed an honorary doctorate like one of the 17 Neil DeGrasse Tyson has. Yep those honorary awards sure are proof of ones accomplishment. Tyson must have been in school 150 years to get all those.

"When he found that his long cherished beliefs did not agree with the most precise observations, he accepted the uncomfortable facts. He preferred the hard truth to his dearest illusions. That is the heart of science."
- Carl Sagan on Johannes Kepler

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Yeah, if you can't win the competition, the competition must be stupid! Run by Mr Stupid Pants! And his stupid friends! And who wants to win it anyway!

The level of right wing nuttery about science is amazing.

Did you work out what a scientific theory is yet?

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The peace prize is quite different from the other prizes, if you fail to realize this you should not be listened to.

iiaaarrrggghhhhhhhh... said jesus, trying to blend in!

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Individual countries couldn't solve this problem without trashing their economies if it actually existed.


Not that I believe this global warming thing, but I doubt that anyone will trash their economy by moving away from fossil fuels.

If you want to continue to use fossil fuels, the thing is that it isn't going to last forever. Then what are you going to do?
The population is skyrocketing. 3rd world nations are turning into 1st world nations. Everyone wants a hummer and wants to turn up the heat when it is cold.

I haven't seen 1 post here that talks about moving away from fossil fuels.
Most are about global warming and anyone who agrees with that is a liberal nazi communist and whatever other hate word you can throw in.

The forum has turned into a american politics agenda + american religion site.

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Unfortunately, the evidence for global warming isn't confined to what is occurring in Antarctica, and while the isolated data point of this year may be puzzling, the long term effects are what truly indicate climate change direction.

What we have thus far in published consensus indicates that 97% of climate papers take the position that not only is global warming occuring, but that it's largely manmade.

The evidence can be found in many places, not only in ice sheets. Plants in Australia have thickened wax surfaces to counter the warming trend to the extent that researchers are looking into koalas to see how this will effect that particular population (i.e., will they be able to digest and extract nutrients from leaves with the thicker coating). Aside from biota, ocean acidification is another indicator.

I was thumbing through some old Environmental Science and Technology magazines stored in my lab and the first one I opened (vintage 1986) has an article on -- guess what? -- global warming.

Scientists have known about warming for decades, it's only after Al Gore attempted to raise public awareness in the new millennium that the public at large have weighed in, and those -- without exception thus far in my experience -- that are naysayers are so due to a political perspective, not a scientific perspective. Meaning, once their political party states an opinion on the topic (or their favorite political entertainer on cable or radio) then they follow suit like good little soldiers.

I suggest on scientific studies stick with the science, forget the politics, and where the science takes us, we go, no matter the results.

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What we have thus far in published consensus indicates that 97% of climate papers take the position that not only is global warming occuring,[sic] but that it's largely manmade.
What is happening to the funding for the projects of the other 3%?
Al Gore attempted to raise public awareness
Al Gore is not a scientist and refuses to take questions.
... naysayers are so due to a political perspective, not a scientific perspective. Meaning, once their political party states an opinion on the topic (or their favorite political entertainer on cable or radio) then they follow suit like good little soldiers.
You've nailed the yeasayers just as well if not better. I am a member of no political party and support none. I will vote against those who support globalists like 0bama, however.

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What is happening to the funding for the projects of the other 3%?


Haha!!! Not too hard to figure out considering who controls the purse strings. The institutions of higher education. The Nobel Prizes. etc...

Al Gore is not a scientist and refuses to take questions.


C'mon, he's surely taken hardball questions from those political power players and scientists on "The View".


naysayers are so due to a political perspective, not a scientific perspective. Meaning, once their political party states an opinion on the topic (or their favorite political entertainer on cable or radio) then they follow suit like good little soldiers


You've nailed the yeasayers just as well if not better


Couldn't have said it better myself. No literally its not possible to have been said any better.

"When he found that his long cherished beliefs did not agree with the most precise observations, he accepted the uncomfortable facts. He preferred the hard truth to his dearest illusions. That is the heart of science."
- Carl Sagan on Johannes Kepler

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what is happening to the funding of the other 3%?

Haha! Not too hard to figure out...

Sigh. No, it isn't hard to figure out.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/peerreviewedskeptics.php?s=133
There's your list, now look up their info. Except you won't, or you will, but won't come back to acknowledge that it COMPLETELY undercuts your argument.

I'll get you started. Sallie Baliunas is currently an astrophysicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. Robert Balling is a professor of geography at Arizona State University. Those are the two most published, most critical scientists of AGW. Then there's Patrick Michaels, a professor at George Mason University. Sherwood Idso, Willie Soon, and the list goes on. See, they weren't shut down, shunned, censored, or in any other way discriminated against.

You suck at arguing.

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He wont answer to being called out, but will continue to bash the show because it disagrees with him on this very issue.

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You suck at arguing.

The president is black, therefore there is no job discrimination against blacks?

The CRU was FOUNDED by BP, Shell, and Rockefeller.

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stored in my lab


C'mon man, thats just begging for a sarcastic remark.

naysayers are so due to a political perspective, not a scientific perspective


Maybe because...

Al Gore attempted to raise public awareness


and unfortunately Al Gore is a politician, and a buffoon.

What we have thus far in published consensus indicates that 97% of climate papers take the position that not only is global warming occuring, but that it's largely manmade.


And 100% of the papers published that don't take the position that global warming is occurring have 100% consensus. Amazing how that works.

I suggest on scientific studies stick with the science

Agree completely. That sentence should have been your whole post. Unfortunately todays scientists are highly political, and they're left wing. This is due to they come from a world that relies on government funding, donations, exploitation. fear mongering. Thats just the way the system is.

"When he found that his long cherished beliefs did not agree with the most precise observations, he accepted the uncomfortable facts. He preferred the hard truth to his dearest illusions. That is the heart of science."
- Carl Sagan on Johannes Kepler

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Only a dunce could look at the actual data and conclude global warming is a hoax.

The cause of the global warming is up for debate, as it isn't nearly as clear-cut, but global warming is occurring.

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So physics wrong, BS right? OK Lets run a test. Find a greenhouse, seal it with duct tape and on a 90-100 degree summer day. Fill it with Co2. Live in it for a month.

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Find a greenhouse, seal it with duct tape and on a 90-100 degree summer day. Fill it with Co2. Live in it for a month.
Sounds like a rigged experiment that doesn't simulate the earth as we know it.

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Sounds like a rigged experiment that doesn't simulate the earth as we know it.


Sounds like the perfect example of one of the countless climate models the Man-Made-Climate-Change crusade uses to make its predictions. Just run the model a few 1000 times, pick the results you like, wa-la, chocolate chip cookies.


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Sounds like a rigged experiment that doesn't simulate the earth as we know it.


How exactly does it sound rigged? And that doesn't simulate the Earth as we know it now, but it's moving in that direction.

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How exactly does it sound rigged?
It doesn't matter that much. The parameters of the experiment aren't clearly enough stated.

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Arguing against DrakeStraw or gd5150 is pointless, guys. Republicans are a bit like extremists, if one of their cable-TV pundits were to tell them the sky was burgundy they would argue it to their death. And in the unlikely event you somehow convinced them it really was blue they would tell you it was burgundy until Obama poisoned it somehow.

Save your debating skills for debaters.




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... unless you feel Don Quixotesque and like tilting at windmills.

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Even if it is a hoax isn't it more sensible to switch to a different energy source than the ones we are currently using?

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