Kidnapped for who?


OK, disclaimer first ... I'm not a butt-hurt Christian, just so you know where I'm NOT coming from.

There are a lot of goofy cults and obscure Christian sects that believe and do very weird and often criminal things. Mormonism anyone?

Now we all know that it's perfectly safe to attack Christianity ... even if you're using an obscure sect or cult to do so. No one is going to hunt you down and murder you in the name of Allah while shouting Allahu Akbar God, and I can't wait to read all the comments that will undoubtedly fill this forum from angry butt-hurt Christians ... I am a Christian, but stuff like this doesn't bother me in the slightest.

There is only one legitimate criticism outside of artistic value to a film like this, and that is the 4000lb elephant in the social commentary film directory.

There will NEVER be a film made called "Kidnapped for Muhammad" or "Kidnapped for Allah" ... and we all know why.

By now you're wondering what my point is besides bashing Islam ... my point is that as a society we are afraid to bash this one particular religion, which I think is enabling to the violence associated with it, and I also have little respect for the people making such movies today because "cutting edge" and "controversial" are made bland by this gaping discrepancy.

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There has not been a movie about such an institution for the simple reason that Muslims in the United States aren't operating them.

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Fatwa envy...

Are you saying that Christianity would be better if Christians were known for threatening violence after a movie called "Kidnapped for Christ" was released?

And let's not forget that this documentary is made by a Christian (or at least she was definitely a Christian when she started making it). This isn't some outsider bashing Christianity.

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Are you saying that Christianity would be better if Christians were known for threatening violence after a movie called "Kidnapped for Christ" was released?

No, I'm saying exactly what I wrote in the OP.
And let's not forget that this documentary is made by a Christian (or at least she was definitely a Christian when she started making it). This isn't some outsider bashing Christianity.

Wholly irrelevant to my point.

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Your argument also has an elephant sitting in it. You claim that this film was built to bash Christianity, but it wasn't. It was made to bash Institutional Abuse. I also do not like using the word bash, instead I will use judge. But when it comes down to it, the core of this film is about supporting the survivors of institutional abuse and reporting their story. Christianity (and all religions) are institutions. The fact that the film maker was Christian was her personal reason for becoming interested in a Christ-affiliated program.

I really don't think that as a society we are afraid to judge people of the Islamic faith. I think they come under a lot of scrutiny and prejudice and judgement.

Maybe films like this one are made because in the streets, a Christian will not be recognized as Christian and treated differently - but an Islamic person may be, given the societal make up around them.

So going along with exactly what you said, it needs to be brought to light what this institution, what any institution, is doing, because people hear Christian and don't think something like this. But they hear Islam or Muslim or North Korea or Sudan or Soviet Union and they do think these things.

So maybe this documentary is opening the conversation to criticizing the inner workings of every institution. Regardless of violent reaction or fear.

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I think whenever a minority is involved, different language is often more acceptable (or unacceptable, depending on this situation). Sometimes the choice of words may be highlighting particular things that a minority otherwise would not, while other times, it is the exact opposite.

Christianity is ultimately not considered a minority, and I think that is why there is a different attitude to be more bold when using certain language. When we say "under God" during the Pledge of Allegiance or America's money says, "In God We Trust," it has a history of Christian association. I think such a group is more "up for grabs" when it comes to how strong language may be used to depict a particular situation.

Pardon this example, as it's merely a minority comparison; nothing at all to do with religion: Months ago people were wondering about the title "Blackish" for that new ABC sitcom. Some believed it was an instance of using a title (and subject matter) that would otherwise not be used if it were in reference to white people. Here, a minority had what some felt was leeway with the wording and subject matter.

So I think the issue has more to do with perceptions regarding minorities, whether special language or the avoidance of certain language is utilized, due to the group of people being discussed. Yes, the things done in this film are not representative of the Christian faith, but were speaking merely on the Christian faith and how we do often treat minorities differently from majorities. In this case, the language could be more grabby because it's dealing with such a large group.

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This is NOT a goofy cult. This is a true and honest depiction of the Christian zionist cult that rules the USA. This cult, headed currently by Obama (but before him by Clinton, the Bush's, Reagan etc), is the reason the USA has REFUSED to sign the UN Convention on the Rights of the child.

America- uniquely in the First World, keeps the 'right' for teachers to sexually abuse children (including 18-year old adult women, or 20 year old women if held prisoner in one of these 'foreign' schools) in the name of 'school corporal punishment'. Teachers getting their 'jollies' by beating kids is legal in almost half of all US states in every school, in legal in 90%+ of US states in private schools. And the force behind this sex abuse is the Christian zionist church.

Sick US Christian zionists operate in many African nations, spreading their policy of child and female abuse into these lands as well.

As for your racist and brain-dead comments about Islam, I can already guess you are far too stupid to know that Muslims believe in the same god you do, honour Jesus Christ as one of their most important prophets, and accept the teachings of the Jewish holy book, the Torah- known by Modern Christians as the Old Testament. Indeed, most Muslim children are named after characters from the Torah.

This illustrates the sick AND stupid nature of the US Christian zionist. Justifying the abuse of American kids, while spreading laughable racist lies about Islam. Hilariously, for most of recent history, the Jews were BEST FRIENDS with the Muslims, because European Christians mostly hated Jews. The Jews and the Muslims share far more religious traditions than the Jews share with Modern Christians.

Again the abuse shown by this documentary is as NOTHING compared to the thousands of Christian zionist schools all across the USA that abused American children physically and sexually in the 1970s, 80s, 90s and well into this century. Not one abuser from these schools was convicted or imprisoned, so powerful is the Christian zionist church. It is true that the level of abuse became so egregious, state authorities actually feared a people's revolt against local Christian zionist leaders, so started to 'regulate' the schools or 'persuade' them to move 'out of state'.

BTW, the THREE MILLION mostly Muslim Humans the USA MURDERED in Iraq would suggest the Christian zionists that rule the USA are anything BUT fearful of hurting Muslims. The 100% support the US Congress gave to the recent Israeli Holocaust in Gaza would suggest that the rulers of the USA positively love seeing Muslims mass murdered no matter where they live on our planet.

It is a curious thing that the US Christian zionists control the largest and most murderous War Machine in Human history, and yet are always describing themselves as poor little victims. I think this speaks more about their psychology than any other fact. But why do they hate their own children so?

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You've really gotta get a grip. God, I feel sorry for you.

Cheers

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