Who was the man suppose to be - He Never Died (2015) Discussion

[–] hal-9010 8 years ago

"What ever you do don't recognize his existence, even if he talks to you" - he says something like that to his daughter. So it seems to me to be a God reference. And his rant to the old man he referenced his Cain and Abel origin which strongly ties in with his conflict to God. Plus the hoodlum says; God help me, and the old man then appears next to him... I would say, he is God or a representation of him.

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[–] Agent_Smoulder 8 years ago

I think it's just a personification of death.

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[–] hal-9010 8 years ago

If so, why is he against him with such passion in the end?

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[–] Agent_Smoulder 8 years ago

Cause death won't let him die.

Trust no one.

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[–] xxCUTHBERT_ALLGOODxx 8 years ago

Yeah I like this... makes most sense. Anyway, surprising little movie.

All right... we waste him. No offense.

- Hicks Lives.

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[–] alscat63 8 years ago

I think he was Cain. He refers to being punished for killing someone when people were barely human. The name of his victim sounded like a variation of Abel.

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[–] alscat63 8 years ago

Disregard previous post. I was talking about the wrong character.

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[–] dysartmanach 8 years ago

Yes he says this, but that wouldn't explain his angel wings. I think the writers were trying to cover too much ground and ended up not making sense. Still enjoyed it though

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[–] BlissfulSaddness 8 years ago

What I'm stuck at is when he says "*beep* God because there isn't one. If there was you wouldn't let this happen".

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[–] mk1974 8 years ago

He says in the movie that he is Cain.

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[–] FlippinFloppin 8 years ago

Then why did he used to have wings like an angel? Cain was human, not an angel, so I think he maybe was metaphorical when he stated to be Cain?

Now I actually seen the movie to end, and you're right, he was Cain, which is clearly revealed in the end scene, were he yelled at what I presume was the Grimm Reaper himself.

- but I still don't get the wings part of it? Why did Cain used to have wings!?

... A somewhat weird little flik by the way.

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[–] mk1974 8 years ago

I wondered the same thing. It was never addressed in the movie at all. While watching, I assumed he was a fallen angel of some kind. I didn't think they'd name a specific one, although Lucifer seemed like an obvious choice.

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[–] FlippinFloppin 8 years ago

I assumed he was a fallen angel of some kind.

That was my first assumption too.

I didn't think they'd name a specific one, although Lucifer seemed like an obvious choice.

I didn't think Lucifer, because he was thrown down to hell after he lost the war against God, I was thinking more one of his followers, a fallen angel cursed to walk the earth for eternity.

- but there were a lot of things in this movie, that didn't make any sense in the biblical way - what's with the cannibalism, were did that come from!? Cain wasn't a cannibal, well at least not according to the bible.

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[–] chilone 7 years ago

Actually Lucifer was cast to earth to rule. He will be cast into the lake of fire after the 1000 year reign.

Cain pretty much disappeared from the pages of history after God cursed him so what he became is pretty much up to speculation although a wanderer is a widly accepted theory. Wikipedia states that "A mark was put upon him in order to warn others that killing Cain would provoke the vengeance of God, that if someone did something to harm Cain, the damage would come back seven-fold. Some interpretations view this as a physical mark, whereas other interpretations see the "mark" as a sign, and not as a physical marking on Cain himself." The "wing removal scars" could be the writer's interpretation of said mark.

Great movie. Definitely not the same old same old.

I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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[–] Goliard (1413) 2 years ago

"A mark was put upon him in order to warn others that killing Cain would provoke the vengeance of God, that if someone did something to harm Cain, the damage would come back seven-fold. . ."

And that's the central flaw in this movie. This guy can't be killed, Cain *could*.

There are several other mis-steps, but in general, I think people overthink this movie in an attempt to get it to make sense. As with most things, the simplest answer is correct: the filmmakers made a fairly entertaining, not very well thought out, flawed movie.

Writing fanfic afterwards to try and correct their errors does Not change that essential truth.

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[–] FlippinFloppin 8 years ago

I assumed he was a fallen angel of some kind.

That was my first assumption too.

I didn't think they'd name a specific one, although Lucifer seemed like an obvious choice.

I didn't think Lucifer, because he was thrown down to hell after he lost the war against God, I was thinking more one of his followers, a fallen angel cursed to walk the earth for eternity.

- but there were a lot of things in this movie, that didn't make any sense in the biblical way - what's with the cannibalism, were did that come from!? Cain wasn't a cannibal, well at least not according to the bible. He wasn't immortal either, hence Gods warning against killing him - something about seven curses thrown on the poor bastard doing it.

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[–] sandee_rager-37887 7 years ago

That is the mark of Cain.

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[–] dawnrunsamok 7 years ago

I suspect that, in a very muddled fashion, the writers attempted to blend the tales of Cain and Abel with tales of angelic-human offspring referred to in some literature as Nephilim, or variants of that name.
These were apparently fearful creatures that are said to have incurred the wrath of God...

Just my 2 cents. Personally, I wish they'd chosen one narrative, researched it far better, and run with it.
Henry Rollins could easily have pulled off either...

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[–] edfor 8 years ago

He literally says he is CAIN.

I was not watching the movie that close (due to family interference) but even I got that part. The part I wasn't clear on was who was that dude. I thought God, but then the voice at the end was a bit too diabolical, so maybe the Devil.

As for the "wings" those weren't in the movie, so just some hype thing to make the movie poster look better that has nothing to do with the premise.

Anyway, Supernatural did the Cain thing better, IMO.

This film was so lost between whether this guy is a vampire or Cain from the bible or whatever.

It had potential, and I enjoyed it, but it was a bit all over the place, doing nothing really (which I didn't mind, a film that does nothing for the first half and entertains you is pretty good in my opinion) which was fine for a while but then it got old.

It did remind me to rewatch Whedon's angel, which I'm thinking was where the writer got his inspiration because the first half hour was imagine Angel on a bender, only grumpier.

TBH, it was like someone who loves Angel/Supernatural did a crossover fix with Angel/Cain. My mind kept thinking of that throughout the whole thing.

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[–] zzoaozz-994-637879 8 years ago

The scars on his back were not from wings. That was supposed to be the mark of Cain. God put a mark on Cain when he was cast out from his family so that from that day forth every person would know what he had done but that he was cursed by God and they were not allowed to kill him.

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[–] Ckrisis 8 years ago

Finally somebody got it right!!!

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[–] jjj611 7 years ago

Umm look at the movie poster. Pretty sure those are wings, little fella.

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[–] jabney415 7 years ago

So how was that supposed to work? Anyone who intends to kill someone in those times takes a quick look at their potential victim's back in order to check for scars? Seems like some sort of scar on the forehead would be a bit more practical....

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