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2 questions regarding the poison and targets. SPOILERS

posted 3 years ago by ChipDouglas (1602)
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#1. Why did the scientist change flash drives during the birthday party in Cuba? The original target was Bond and then he switched it to target members of Spectre. Why would he have to hide the fact that he was changing targets if Cyclops was working with Safin?

#2. Since the poison was sprayed on Bond at the party with Spectre DNA nanobots, why would Safin need Madeline to transfer the poison to Bond in order to kill Blofeld? Bond would have already been able to kill him. That would mean Safin only wanted Madeline to FEEL like she had assisted in the assassination. Seems like kind of a convoluted plan if that's the case.

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

There were more problems beyond those... The one that stumped me was Safin goes to the trouble of getting these nanobots and trying to make huge number of them when in the end his plan wasn't to just go after some specific people it was to kill everyone on the planet. If your goal was mass extinction of the population then why bother doing any of the nanobot bullshit all you needed to do was find an indiscriminate poison.

[–] millsey72 (9530) 2 years ago

You are not smart enough to comprehend

[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

Quite, cunt your ignorance is showing again.

[–] Goliard (1413) 2 years ago

Two excellent questions; two shining examples of why this film was such a disjointed, bloated disappointment.

[–] bistritapcv (1657) 2 years ago

My other question. If he built the poison based on Matilda(?)'s DNA and not Madeline, which he may have done as he had more contact with her, and James is her father (which was denied but who knows), then James wouldn't have to wait for the missiles to kill him. The poison DNA would. Since it did not, he was not matilda's father?

[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

I don't think he was infected with her blood until the final showdown between him and Safin in the pool. They have a fight, Safin rolls over to show him the broken vile of blood which has now infected the pool water. Bond knowingly reaches up to his cheek where he has a couple of open wounds... the entry point for the nanobots when he got wet in the pool. Q tells him that he's permanently infected.

In that instant he realizes that he will never be able to touch his wife or daughter ever again.

It's arguably an overreaction on his part to decide to 'go down with the ship'. Scientific knowledge doubles every 3 years or so. It's not beyond belief that a 'cure' for the nanobots might be found within a few years. Or that some sort of 'vaccine' could be developed for his wife and child.

Still... that ending was jaw-dropping.

[–] bistritapcv (1657) 2 years ago

It targets Mathilde and all her relatives which, if he is her father, includes him.

[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

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[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

I see what you're getting at.

IIRC Herakles was originally engineered to kill only the person who had the specific DNA match. Safin was able to reverse engineer it to be less specific, so as to kill related DNA matches. He could expand the DNA matching to kill much larger swaths of the target population.

In other words, he had the ability to refine the DNA-matching to be as specific, or as general, as he chose.

The vial of blood essentially targeted the DNA that Madeleine and the daughter shared, not the DNA that Bond shared with his daughter. (He doesn't share any DNA with Madeleine). Infecting Bond meant that he could never touch, or even get close to either of them again since the killer bots could be transferred via body oils, sweat, blood, saliva, respiratory droplets, etc.

[–] bistritapcv (1657) 2 years ago

Right. I meant whose DNA did he base it on, Madeline's or Mathilde's? If Madeline, then James was safe. If Mathilde, he would have died anyway.

[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

No.

Bond = 100% Bond DNA

Madeleine = 100% Madeleine DNA

Mathilde = 50% Bond DNA / 50% Madeleine DNA

Safin's engineered Herakles nanobots: "Identify and kill anyone who has at least 50% Madeleine DNA.

Bond is safe from the nanobots.

Matilde AND Madeleine would be killed by the nanobots.

[–] ExTechOp (2738) 2 years ago

It's not necessarily an overreaction

Bond can't touch his wife or daughter again ... AND he can't touch ANYONE ELSE who conceivably MIGHT touch them. Or anyone who might touch THAT person. And so on.

He's given a few moments to decide what to do with a weapon pointed at his family - except HE himself is the weapon.

[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

"Bond can't touch his wife or daughter again ... AND he can't touch ANYONE ELSE who conceivably MIGHT touch them. Or anyone who might touch THAT person. And so on.Bond can't touch his wife or daughter again ... AND he can't touch ANYONE ELSE who conceivably MIGHT touch them. Or anyone who might touch THAT person. And so on."

Good point. I hadn't thought of that...

[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

Except the nanobots aren't bacteria growing like mold on an orange, they are little robots, a finite number of them and if they spread from Bond to whoever he touches in a desire to find their target then eventually he would be free of them as they would spread to others. So if he just went to a random orgy in the Thailand he could probably shed all the nanobots on him, then kill all the perverts in the orgy and everything is fine and dandy.

[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

As of yet, nanobots are just a concept.

A bit of Googling, will turn up numerous articles about self-replicating nanobots as the ultimate goal for precisely the reasons they are used in this movie... except of course they would replicate in a body for purposes of saving or improving health, not killing someone.

[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

Oh I know the want nanobots to replicate but it is a fantasy to think a metal nanobot is going to be able to replicate if living in an organic host where the only real metal available is going to be the iron from the host which if removed for replication will kill the host.

[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

And yet that's exactly what they are working towards... weird. Maybe you should let them know their quest is futile.

[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

And for centuries people have tried to create perpetual motion machines... you can't sway a fool from chasing rainbows.

But until someone can build an organic motor that doesn't require metals with magnetic properties a self replicating nanobot that lives inside human will be the perpetual motion machine.

[–] footlegger (1462) 2 years ago

Organic motors already exist due to the ingenuity of Mother Nature.

[–] fc31 (4546) 2 years ago

1) At that time he was not working for Safin, he was working for spectre, but Safin killed his employer. I think he started to work for Safin after that. Madeleine even asked him:"Why would you work for someone killed your employer? Why do you think he let you join him?".

2) Bond had no access to Blofeld, only Madeleine did. Madeleine did not even touch Bond, what killed Blofeld I think was the poison spayed on Bond in Cuba.

[–] snuggans (44) 2 years ago

1. Cyclops was still working for Spectre at the time. Safin poached him later

2. Safin did not plan for Madeline to transfer the poison to Bond, Safin was expecting Madeline to kill Blofeld herself. it was Bond who grabbed her wrist of his own accord

[–] ChipDouglas (1602) 2 years ago

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2 questions regarding the poison and targets. *SPOILERS*

2 questions regarding the poison and targets. SPOILERS