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It's official, next 007 will be a black woman


It's not a joke. 007 has been both femwashed and blackwashed. Lashana Lynch will play double woke seven, I mean 007, after Daniel Craig.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7244671/Thought-007-never-woman-black-shes-James-Bond-hand-number-over.html

The article doesn't say anything about whether Lashana is a biological woman, or a transgender woman (last case, 007's character could be considered as LGTB inclusive too). She looks more like a transgender one, but taking into account that they didn't mention it and the character has been already femwashed and blackwashed, I'm more inclined that Lashana could be a biological woman. Probably going transgender will be the next step.

So 007 is very much done, farewell and moving on, who will be the next one to be blackwashed? Indiana Jones? Ripley? Sherlock Holmes? Tarzan? Conan of Cimmeria? The Little Mermaid? Aragorn? Gandalf? Nurse Who? John McClane? Robin Hood? King Arthur? Beethoven? Columbus? Thomas Jefferson? Einstein? The XVIth century Spanish Court?

EDIT Regarding whether she's a temporary minor character. According to the movie narrative, she's the new 007. Craig is supposed to came back from retirement for a last mission, recovering the 007 license, kind of 'never say never again'. However, once he's done, once he retires again, and unless she dies, she should get back the 007 license, which means she should be 007 in the next movie. Will it happen? Well, it's not written in stone, and the Opera doesn't end until the racially correct and dietetically empowered lady sings. But again: for now, she's officially the new 007.

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Honestly, if they were to do this type of change, THIS is the way to do it. People want to believe that James Bond is a code name when in reality 007 is the code name. Any character can be given the distinction.

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It makes perfect sense someone else would take over '007' after Bond retired at the end of Spectre ..before he gets dragged back into MI6 (and then this new 007 is killed or maybe not?)

It would make sense for that to have happened before e.g. Brosnan-Craig/having same M (were it not for the fact they're both called 'James Bond')

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It was inevitable.

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It won't actually happen. I'll bet real money on that.

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It's a done deal.

Progress!

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James Bond = 007

007 = James Bond

Change either of those and the franchise dies.

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The most distressing thing about that article is that this movie will be paying tribute to the past Bond films. Exactly like the last 5 movies have.

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I don't believe most drivel the media outlets say. Bond is still Bond but he’s been replaced as 007 by this stunning woman,’ the source told The Daily Mail.
Stunning woman? Really? Who uses those words unless you are trying to deliberately goad your male audience? It's like saying this:
The source on the movie set has said, "On the set of the new Tomb Raider movie, the receptionist welcomes Lara in to the room but she's been replaced as a woman by this big grizzly strong muscly man!"

Do you get what I am getting at? The wording sounds ridiculous! lol!

Until the studio comes out and announces officially (which btw would be suicide), there is no reason to believe this is nothing more than a fake leaker trying to get some limelight on a hot relevant topic.

Not even they would be so retarded to make Bond a black lady despite what the patronizers and band wagon jumping social justice warriors say!

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It is a direct quote, so this is not really out of the norm. A direct quote can contain an opinion since, obviously, it is a verbatim representation of what a source said

And the black lady isn't "Bond", she's 007. Did you actually read the article? She took over the codename because Bond is retired. At the beginning of the movie. Not at the end. He may take back the codename at some point

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Actually, they haven't released the character's name, so besides 007, the name could or could not be 'James Bond'. And judging by the picture, 'James' is a name that fits hir quite well, though ze looks more like a 'Peter', more than a 'James', but that's just an opinion, of course.

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I think you misread the article too

This scene takes place at the beginning of the upcoming movie, the one with Daniel Craig in it. The writers would have to be borderline retarded to have two characters both named James Bond in the same movie

James Bond is James Bond. But since he is retired at the start of the movie his codename was recycled and given to this black chick

I don't know if she will or won't be the star of the next 007 movie, but she is not James Bond

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That's why I said ze looks more like 'Peter Bond' XD

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I would actually be totally down for a scene in the movie where both characters first meet and they're both called James Bond

M: Mr. Bond, meet your new partner, James Bond

Black Bond: Hello, Mr. Bond

White Bond: Hello, Ms. Bond

Black Bond: Whoa, did you just assume my gender?

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Dis you just assume that black Bond was black? That's racist!

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I admit I read the article wrong at first but when i re read it, my point still stands more or less. Bond has been temporarily replaced by a black woman (in pop culture, it is the name "BOND" always associated with the codename 007)... What is the ODDS that they decide to replace 007 (even briefly) with a black woman in the year 2019?

If this is indeed true, they are testing the waters to see how the audience feel about seeing a black woman being called "007" to see if they can gender or race bend the next "Bond" incarnation.

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If this is indeed true, they are testing the waters to see how the audience feel about seeing a black woman being called "007" to see if they can gender or race bend the next "Bond" incarnation.

Bingo.

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I don't really care if they race-bend the character. A black, asian, or latino guy can be just as horny, violent, and womanizing as a white guy. But I'd hate it if they went with a woman for the lead role

I hate women in action roles in general, unless they are playing superhuman characters. I hate movies where a woman is smacking the shit out of a bunch of guys. I know it's almost as unrealistic for a single man to take on an entire room of people, but it's way cringier with a woman

It would be way more feminist for feminists to be pushing for actual real life combat roles in groups like the Navy SEALs instead of just playing pretend in movies

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I agree with you completely about the gender bending for Bond. But I think I may need to disagree about Bond being any other colour. I mean sure, its physically possible but dont you think in this world where every thing is no longer sacred, at least try to keep some things traditional?

Maybe its just me, but Bond was written as a British agent (later added to have Scottish abcestory after Fleming was so impressed with Connery's performance). Now yes, British implies any race sure (especially today because the world is so much more multicultural) but originally, when Bond was written,it was when England was predominately white and the odds that Bond had Scottish blood in him increased the chance that he was white. So as the decades went on, Bond being tall, dark (not tonally but his features and presence so to speak), handsome, british and blue eyed (in the movies) was a tradition which has been kept for 6 decades.

Sure you could make Bond black,latino or even mixed but then lets make shaft black? After all, isn't he just some guy from Harlem? Harlem is a notorious black area but so what? There could be a minority of whites living there, so let a white guy play shaft!

But we all know this would never happen because black people and social justice warriors would play the race card.

Shaft is a "blaxpoitation" film so that's their justification. Well, maybe Bond should be a "whiteploitation" film? (You get the idea)

I agree, gender should never be forced into roles if it makes no absolute sense.
Speaking of Navy Seals and females, there was a film in the 90s (I believe) called G.I Jane where it is about a woman being the first female to pass for selection in SEALS. Unlike a modern film where no character would question it for fear of being "sexist", in G.I Jane, the male SEALS bully her, harrass her etc until she PROVES herself. This is a wonderful example of actual female character development which today's bland female empowered nonsense films should follow.

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I don't really care if they race-bend the character. A black, asian, or latino guy can be just as horny, violent, and womanizing as a white guy.

It's not race-bending. It's more about 'culture-bending'. James Bond is typically, even painfully, British. A black or a Mexican James Bond doesn't make any sense, but neither does it a Italian James Bond or a Russian James Bond, no matter they're white. That why the Timothy Dalton 'James Bond' always felt odd, out of place, the outcome was too American to be British. 007 is a character that it's very linked to a culture, a way of life, a way of being. You just can't recast it like a bloody puppet.

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But I'd hate it if they went with a woman for the lead role

I hate women in action roles in general, unless they are playing superhuman characters. I hate movies where a woman is smacking the shit out of a bunch of guys.


LOOOOOOOOOL

Bro, I can’t say that I’m shocked to discover that you’re one of those “but... but women can’t beat up men!” guys.

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Are you still obsessed with me after all this time? I already got bored with you, please find someone else...we've grown apart. I'm sorry

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This is completely unacceptable even in the 'best case' scenario where she is just given the numbers 007 at the beginning of the film but Bond becomes 007 again once he's back in service.

I'm pretty sure this is the third or fourth time now that Craig's Bond has quit or abandoned his job. It's gotten old now.

James Bond is synonymous with 007. No other character should be given that code number. Even if it's 'believable', why bother? I don't care about supporting characters and I don't want any other characters except the main villain to have any significant role in the movie. All these recent Bond movies where the mi6 nobodys get so much screen time have been crap. The other times they have given Bond a 'strong woman' sidekick have also sucked.

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Replacing Craig with any sort of woman would be monumentally stupid, you can cast any tall handsome schmuck as James Bond but Jane Bond won't wash with the mainstream movie audience these things are made for. So it's not going to happen, the British producers can talk all they like but Hollywood won't fund a Jane Bond film.

However, there's no reason they can't case Ms. Lynch as a female "00" agent alongside Craig or his real successor, and see if she's popular enough for a spin-off film.

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Neither Wei-Lin or Jinx were popular enough for a spin-off, so I doubt that this 'stunning' woman will be either. As I said, every time that the Bond movies have given supporting characters significant screen time, like with Wei-Lin and Jinx, the movies have suffered considerably. It's not just a problem with female agent characters either. Spectre and Skyfall were atrocious, in large part because they gave characters like M, Q, and Moneypenny such huge roles. In the older and better Bond films, these characters just show up for a few minutes at the beginning and end, and they don't get in the way of Bond's mission which is what we wanted to see in the first place. Bond movies should be focused on Bond, the villain, and the villain's plot. Everything else and everyone else is secondary to those, and all of the actors who play these secondary roles are replaceable, which is why we've had something like eight versions of Felix Leiter.

Even if the next 007 after Craig is a man, this plot point is still unacceptable to me. I don't care if it's even just a five minute gag of "zomg guys, we have two 007s, what do we do now? lolz." It's such bad writing, and they are compromising the entire legacy of the series just for a cheap gag.

I believe that this will lead to the worst case scenario, however. I am starting to think that James Bond, the man, will be killed off and that the series will continue with a different lead character, possibly a black woman, as Agent 007. It's really happening.

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I believe that this will lead to the worst case scenario, however. I am starting to think that James Bond, the man, will be killed off and that the series will continue with a different lead character, possibly a black woman, as Agent 007.

Most likely outcome for the 007 franchise, it will have a black woman as a main character, Lashana herself probably, in some kind of super-empowered-strong-suuuuper-female-empowered-spy, surrounded by suuuuper-diverse-amazing-inclusive guys with carefully selected racial quotas, except Moneypenny, that will be casted as a cuck half-retarded white male. All of it with wrapped in some kind of Fast&Furious style, lots of rap and hip-hop and suuuuuper-diversity, and of course, very evil nazi-like white evil male villains.

In a nutshell, it'll have zero relation with the 007 franchise beyond having the copyright and using the names.

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It might be time for McClory's estate to sue Eon again, and hopefully that will bankrupt them and force them to sell off the rights to a studio that will actually make a real Bond movie.

Did you see the on set teaser video from a few weeks ago? My first reaction was that I immediately thought of Fast and Furious (the newer, crappier ones). It looks just like a F and F movie, the aesthetic, the hip hop ghettoness, everything about it.

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This is a ploy, a gimmick to get people talking about the movie and going to see the movie. It is an ill-advised move for the franchise. Lynch could have been given another 00 agent number, but no, they had to go and pull this titanic blunder. James bond is synonymous with 007, 007 with James Bond. Ian Flemmings James Bond 007. To have someone else, black, white, man, women, play James Bond is travesty.

Now, yes, 00 agents are replaced when they did. We see that in Casino Royale when James Bond is granted 00 status and winds up with 007. There are 00 agents 002-009, and throughout the Bond movies the names change. For example, 002 has different names in Thunderball and The Livingday lights.

People will make the argument that once James Bond quits/retires he loses his 007 codename. This is wrong. On Her Majesty's Secret Service, bond quits, comes back as 007. License to Kill, Bond quits, even attacks M16 personnel, still gets called 007 by Q throughout the movie. Die Another Day, Bond is is captured, MIA, could even be KIA, comes back as 007 later in the movie. Skyfall, Bond dissapears into retirement, comes back as 007 with the line "007 reporting for duty".

The real reason a black woman takes Bond's codename is to appease a loud minority of people, fake social justice warriors, "woke people", triggered political correctness morons, people who think there is a gender for every day of the year, people who sexualize children and want to normalize pedophilia.

I can't wait until the Craig era is over, because its crashing down in flames. I pray we return to a classic Bond formual with a new Bond and these Craig reboots are forgotten in the future.

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"Neither Wei-Lin or Jinx were popular enough for a spin-off, so I doubt that this 'stunning' woman will be either."

Can I ask (in perfect seriousness for once) whether there was any serious thought of giving either one a spin-off?

Because if you think about it, it's kind of surprising that there's never been a Bond spinoff, and it'd be easy to make one.

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Yes, there were actually plans for both of those characters to get a spin-off movie, but they were scrapped for whatever reason. You can research it. It's been brought up in interviews and media from time to time.

There hasn't been a Bond spinoff because Bond movies are about Bond and nobody gives a shit about M, Q, Moneypenny, Wei-Lin, Jinx, Pussy Galore, or any other dime a dozen supporting characters.

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One possible factor is that (so rumor has it) nobody wants to work with Halle Berry twice.

As for Yeoh, never heard a word against her, but her shot did come along before the mass Asian film audience became such a big deal.

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