Blame sugar, leave my bacon alone!
BACON! Omnomnom
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Seriously. Look up the research of LCHF ("Ketogenic") diet (Low Carb HIGH FAT) -- it could be the real cure for the obesity epidemic, as weird as that sounds. SUGAR (glucose, fructose, even lactose) is way worse for our bodies (insulin, immune system, FAT GAIN) than bacon or ham etc.
PERSONALLY I have found that changing my diet this way has resulted in a huge increase in energy, longer gaps between feeling strong hunger, and my IBS is greatly reduced. Along with nuts I also eat tons of bacon, ham, and cream cheese and block cheddar cheese and I have not gained any weight over the past 4 weeks and I actually have found my pants fit more loosely. Seriously.
http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf is a GREAT place to start -- plenty of info, both personal anecdotal testimonials as well as scientific research... ( url]http://www.dietdoctor.com/category/science-and-health[/url] )
for example:
http://www.dietdoctor.com/happens-eat-5800-calories-carbohydrate-rich- junk-food-daily
http://www.dietdoctor.com/overeating-carbs-worse-overeating-lchf-diet
Sam Feltham carried out an experiment a few months ago that caught a lot of attention. For three weeks he pigged out on low-carb LCHF foods, 5,800 calories a day.
According to simplistic calorie counting, Feltham should have gained 16 lbs (7.3 kg). But in reality, he only gained less than 3 lbs (1.3 kg).
Now Feltham has repeated his experiment with exactly the same amount of calories, but from carbohydrate-rich junk food. On the same amount of calories he gained more than five times as much weight: almost 16 lbs (7.1 kg)!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xqxxjhMhPc
https://www.youtube.com/user/smashthefat/videos
"Could that low-fat diet make you EVEN FATTER?"
http://www.dietdoctor.com/low-fat-diet-make-even-fatter
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2459915/Could-low-fat-diet-m ake-EVEN-FATTER-As-experts-question-conventional-wisdom-diets-extraord inary-results-mans-experiment.html
"...a high-carb diet tends to lower the good HDL cholesterol that helps keep arteries clear. At the same time, as glucose from carbs is turned into fat for storage in the body, fatty acids are also produced. It is this combination of fatty acids and low HDL, not saturated fat, that 'clogs your arteries'..."
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Chipping away at a mountain of pop culture trivia,
Darren Dirt.
Alright, it's clear that you need to be set straight. Meat is bad for the human body. Cheese is bad for the human body. Dairy of any kind is bad for the human body. Let's start with meat.
Everyone believes that humans are omnivores and have thought that for a very long time, but this is completely untrue. Humans are designed to have the same diet as apes. We are frugivores. We thrive on natural sugar that can be found in fruits. That's how we get a majority of our nutrients. Meat eaters also have special skills that assist them in hunting, such as night vision, agility, and speed. When was the last time you ran around outside chasing a pig for dinner, then bit into it with your own teeth, then ate it, eyes, ears, arse and all without cooking it? Meat eaters also have short intestines, so they can eliminate their food quickly before the fat contents can be absorbed into its body. Humans have long intestines, which lead to excess fat absorption, which can lead to heart attacks and strokes.
It is impossible for any genuine meat eater to ever clog their arteries. What's the number one killer of humans who choose to eat meat, cheese, milk, and eggs? Heart disease from clogged arteries.
Omnivores and carnivores have special insides in their stomachs that can kill bacteria in rotting meat. They also love the way a dead animal smells. When was the last time you ate a raw or rotting animal?
Humans are not designed to eat meat, cheese, milk, or eggs. If you choose to, well, I'm very sorry about your future hospital bills. I hope you have damn good health insurance, but let's not kid ourselves, that doesn't exist anymore.
Good points.
It happens only what is suppose to happen. That's the whimsical fatality!
When was the last century when a human being NEEDED to run around chasing a pig to bite into it.
You could say that about a lot of non-meat eating humans. When was the last time most vegans went foraging for food... or even grew their own food. We have evolved socially to the point where we don't need to do that. At least people who live in countries where they can actively debate on a movie forum.
Humans have been eating meat since the caveman days. If it wasn't supposed to be that way we would be extinct.
The thing is…
Vegan or not, we both live in a society that provides, meaning we don't have to hunt or forage. The point of saying meat eaters can't take down an animal to eat is saying the human body is not built for it, regardless of the time period. They never were. You or me cannot take down a large animal, tear it apart and eat it with just our bare bodies, but we can sure as hell forage-still. What allowed humans to eat meat long ago was our brain. We created weapons, strategies etc that enabled us to survive in places we normally wouldn't. If we didn't evolve, we'd still be foraging and at the most we'd eat, I gather would be insects and eggs, because thats easy and does not require brute force, speed or agility. Face it, we are NOT meant for it, naturally. We survived ice ages, we survived droughts, we evolved to a point where we understand our bodies, morality and ethics. Meat, dairy and eggs have no place in the future of human kind. Its that simple.
Diets across the world prove meat, dairy and eggs should me limited or eliminated entirely. And of course a company that uses those products isn't going to tell you otherwise, your declining health is profit for them.
Meat, dairy and eggs have no place in the future of human kind. Its that simple.
Why is it "that simple"?
You've just said that we were able to take down large animals because we used our brains and if we hadn't done that we'd never have survived so long or spread so far across the planet.
But when, after all these years, do you think we need to stop eating meat, dairy and eggs today?
To be frank, I don't think most people can afford a vegan lifestyle. share
To be frank, I don't think most people can afford a vegan lifestyle.
A vegan lifestyle can be much cheaper than a non-vegan one. It is only expensive if one insists on all organic fresh produce.
My family eats rice and beans, corns and potatoes, whole grains and mostly conventional produce. We've cut our food bill from our meat eating days by about $150 per month.
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The only vitamin that a vegan diet is deficient in is B-12. Even B-12 deficiencies in vegan are extremely rare-that's why they make the news when one crops up.
On the other hand, the early low carb diets (Atkins) were deficient in nearly every micronutrient. Every major micronutrient, with the exception of Vitamin D and Vitamin B-12, comes from plants.
The newer low carb diets, namely Paleo, do not require supplements as the Atkins diet did. However, the problem with the Paleo is that it overloads the body with too much excess fat and protein and not enough carbs.
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Well, first off, I'm sure you know, Vitamin D is not an actual vitamin, but a hormone that is produced by exposure to the sun. We all make plenty of Vitamin D, whatever diet we eat, as long as we get exposure to the sun. That being said, Vitamin D can be injected into almond or soy milk just as easily as cow's milk.
On all the other nutrients you mention, I respectfully have to point out you are just plain wrong. There is very little, if any, chance of any deficiency from iron, zinc, calcium or omega-3 fatty acids if one is on a purely vegan diet.
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Most people don't get enough of it from the sun, which is why it's important to have it in your diet.
Once again, this is not an issue that has very little to do with veganism vs. a conventional diet. It is an issue of getting adequate sunlight and where such sunlight exposure is difficult to obtain, eating enough foods fortified with Vitamin D. Most non-vegetarians get their extra vitamin D from food that has been fortified with Vitamin D, not from Vitamin D that naturally occurs in animal food.
I'm 100% correct, I assure you. You really should do your research before subscribing to such a diet. You clearly haven't, and being ill-prepared for such a diet can be a dangerous thing.
If you were 100% correct you would realize that all the nutrients you mention come primarily from plants, not from animals.
Let's take calcium for example. We are told by the dairy industry we all must drink milk to get sufficient calcium. Well, even the Paleo Diet meat eating gurus don't believe that, because their diet includes no dairy products (they are just as anti-dairy as vegans are). Zero. Why? Because they correctly have noted that mankind only recently began milking cows, and our bodies evolved over hundreds of thousands of years to our calcium from plant sources.
From Loren Cordain, leading Paleo Diet guru:
http://thepaleodiet.com/qa-with-dr-cordain-milk/
"Drinking of cow’s milk or other species’ milk by children and adults is an unhealthy practice that increases the risk of many chronic diseases and adds no micronutrients to the diet that cannot be obtained from fresh vegetables, fruits, meats, seafoods and nuts. Human’s have no nutritional requirement for cow’s milk."
As far as iron goes, anemia due to iron deficiency is no more common among vegans than it is among the general population. Green leafy vegetables are rich in iron (as they are in calcium).
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As well as iron, zinc, calcium, omega-3 fatty acids, vitamin D....
Simply not true.
http://nutritionfacts.org/2014/09/09/the-healthiest-diet-for-weight-control/
A vegetarian dietary pattern as a nutrient-dense approach to weight management: an analysis of the national health and nutrition examination survey 1999-2004.
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everyone i know who has a very high carb diet is fat and doughy.. people in my family eat meat and typically live to their 80s and 90s
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Most likely by high carbohydrate you're referring to people who eat a lot of sweets, junk food donuts...that's not a healthy diet and that's not the diet I eat.
A good high carb diet may allow for a little bit of sugar here and there, and some refined grains in the form of breads are allowed, but the bulk of the calories come from whole plant food starches-corn, rice, potatoes, beans peas, lentils...etc.
But we don't have to speculate based on people you know in your family or people I may know in my family and foolishly attempt to draw conclusions based on such a small sample size.
We have for example, a large study the Okinawans, perhaps the longest lived population in modern times, who got the bulk of their calories from carbohydrates
Carbs 85%
Protein 9%
Fat 6%
Saturated Fat 2%
Article can be found here: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCcQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.researchgate.net%2Fpublication%2F51442644_The_Okinawan_diet_health_implications_of_a_low-calorie_nutrient-dense_antioxidant-rich_dietary_pattern_low_in_glycemic_load%2Ffile%2F60b7d52a019da08251.pdf&ei=bWfSU8v8MsO3yATzsYCQCQ&usg=AFQjCNE8cdzDsRt5uCk4Y01XaULbDP9SKA&bvm=bv.71667212,d.aWw
Okinawans are not vegans, and it is not necessary to be a vegan to gain the benefits of a whole plant food based vegan diet. It is simply necessary to restrict meat consumption so that meat is almost like a condiment on your plate (definitely not the main dish).
That being said, can we blame all the weight gain of America on meat? Absolutely not. It's all the bad foods together- excessive meat consumption, added oils and sugars and excessive refined carbs- combined with an increasingly sedentary lifestye, IMHO.
bconner93,
You've been feed a load of vegan/vegetarian propaganda and you've swallowed it all hook, line, and sinker. Don't worry you're not the first one to fall for it.
Quick and to the point; here's two books you should read by authors that used to be vegan/vegetarian until they got sick...
Death by Food Pyramid: How Shoddy Science, Sketchy Politics and Shady Special Interests Have Ruined Our Health... by Denise Minger
http://www.amazon.com/Death-Food-Pyramid-Politics-Interests/dp/0984755 128/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1399670884&sr=1-1&k eywords=death+by+food+pyramid
The Wahls Protocol: How I Beat Progressive MS Using Paleo Principles and Functional Medicine by Terry Wahls M.D.
http://www.amazon.com/Wahls-Protocol-Progressive-Principles-Functional /dp/1583335218/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1399670793&s r=1-1&keywords=the+wahls+protocol
Or read this web page for FREE...
http://rawfoodsos.com/for-vegans/
Best of luck to you,
Response to Denise Minger 1: Scrupulous
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeBmbJzKpt8
35 How To Become Insulin Resistant (The Paleo Way) 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prdh62Qklvc
Well said bconner93, I agree 100%.
No one can prove your points wrong because they are absolute facts.
Many species evolved from plant to meat eating animals. You can't say that because primitive humans ate only fruit therefore we shouldn't eat meat at all. Remember that humans are omnivores, we adapted to eating fruit and meat alike. Our bodies evolved to support that kind of diet. Look at our teeth - we have fangs for god's sake. No strictly herbivores have them. And that is enough if we'd have to hunt for small animals. No one says that all predators kill only big game. And yes, predators have short intestine to get rid of toxins before they poison the body. We have both - short and long intestine and it works just fine. The fact alone that we have enzymes that can digest meat and we can nutrients from it is enough to say that we evolved to be omnivores. Even my obese, heart problems ridden cat would agree with that.
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Humans are not designed to eat cheese and milk. Humans have existed for hundreds of thousands of years and eating milk and dairy has only been around for a short period of recent history. The only reason humans are able to digest milk after infancy is due to a mutant gene that developed after animal agriculture. In many parts of the world outside the western European heritage the majority is in fact lactose intolerant, which is the true state of human biology. Or did you think that somehow we were the only mammal alive where it's somehow natural to drink milk products after infancy?
From Wikipedia: Most mammals normally cease to produce lactase, becoming lactose intolerant, after weaning,[4] but some human populations have developed lactase persistence, in which lactase production continues into adulthood. An estimated 75% of adults worldwide show some decrease in lactase activity during adulthood.[5] The frequency of lactose intolerance ranges from 5% in Northern European areas (Great Britain, Ireland, Scandinavia, and Iceland) to 71% in Italy (Sicily) to more than 90% in some African and Asian countries.[6] This distribution is now thought to have been caused by recent natural selection favoring lactase-persistent individuals in cultures in which dairy products are available as a food source.[7] Although populations in Europe, India, Arabia, and Africa were first thought to have high frequencies of lactase persistence because of a single mutation, lactase persistence has been traced to a number of mutations that occurred independently.[8]
A hundred years ago, a working man needed to get meat in his diet as often as possible.
Actually the average western diet consists of twice as much meat today as our ancestors ate one hundred years ago. They didn't have big macs and fast food chains back then, as well as enormous portion sizes. Also due to factory farming the prices of meat are a fraction of what they once were. Meat was much more uncommon and inconvenient then. The average amount of meat usually consisted of one serving a day. share
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Complete rubbish there. We have been using agriculture for the past 10,000 years. In that time our bodies have adapted. For example, lactase was once only produced in babies nursing to deal with the lactose. Now most of us produce lactase into adulthood.
shareThe amount of misinformation in this whole thread is downright hilarious. No evil foods will magically lead to weight when eating in a caloric deficit, just as no foods will magically cause weight loss when eating in a caloric surplus.
However, given that meat, dairy products, and eggs are terrific sources of high quality protein, and protein is the most satiating and thermogenic macronutrient in addition to its role in lean mass development/retention, it would clearly be beneficial to body composition for everyone to include plenty of meat and dairy in their diet.
Carbs and fats are obviously the main macronutrients to reduce to create a caloric deficit, although this isn't to say that a healthy diet can't include both bacon (high-fat) and sugar (carb), but the last thing anyone should do is cut out foods that are the best sources of protein.
So thanks for your blatant attempt at making the world a fatter, less healthier place.
Humans aren't designed. They evolved just like everything else. Whenever you start trying to figure out what we're "supposed" to do, you're on a wild goose chase. Humans evolved to store fat in the same way we evolved everything else. It was beneficial to our survival to retain fat because we ate so little of it. That isn't true anymore. Instead of trying to figure out what we're "designed" for, you should be looking for the best way to exploit your own biology for whatever specific goal you have. A seven foot competitive bodybuilder should not be following the same dietary pattern as a four foot jockey.
What if a squirrel wants a sausage?
Be very careful- I tried a similar diet in 2002 and ended up in the ER with a nutritional deficiency. I proved that I could definitely lose weight on a low carb diet, and I don't doubt what you write is true but you could run into serious complications down the road. In my view, the weight I lost under Atkins was not worth it. I now follow a whole foods and plant based diet, and have lost more weight than under Atkins, plus I feel a lot better.
Read a book, you need carbs to survive. Fad diets can kill you.
And get your advice from eatright.org than Daily Heil
cv_pufik,
Actually, you do NOT need carbs to survive. You need glucose to survive and your body can make it from protein. Protein and fat are essential nutrients, carbs are NOT. Having said that, I would advise getting all your carbs from real whole foods like, vegetables and fruits, NOT from the packaged and processed crap we call 'food'.
Protein and fat are essential nutrients, carbs are NOT.
This is too superficial to be meaningful, protein is not an essential nutrient, after all the type of protein you eat is not human protein, it must be broken down into amino acids before it can be used. Of the 20 amino acids we need to make our body's proteins only 9 are 'essential', in that we can't make them and get them only from food, these 9 are readily available from plant sources which is where animals get them.
What type of fat? We certainly don't need Trans Fats, significant amounts of which can be found in animal products. The preferred fat is mono-unsaturated fat like that found in nuts and Olive Oil. Despite what low carbers claim Saturated Fat is still a major risk factor for heart disease and other cardio vascular complaints.
And finally, which carbs? We DO need to eat many foods which are classed as carbs, in particular vegetables, fruit, legumes, whole grains, nuts etc. Whilst refined sugar is lacking in other nutrients, whole plant based carbs are an ideal way to get the sugars and nutrients that are essential for us to function. share
I'm not looking at all those links. Particularly not the Daily Mail one. But I appreciate the sentiment. I'm a little worried about how much cheese I'm eating recently, but since it's replacing all the sugary rubbish I used to snack on I figure it's worth the risk in the short term.
For a long time I always thought it was important to finish up my bread and rice as a good healthy eater. I didn't realise the damage that starchy foods do.
I always thought the least healthy part of a pizza was the cheese. I had no idea it was the base.
I'm not giving up my Diet Coke. Yeah, I know some people are worried about the effects of sweeteners, but the effects of those are unproven whereas the effects of sugar are starkly evident.
"For a long time I always thought it was important to finish up my bread and rice as a good healthy eater. I didn't realise the damage that starchy foods do."
While refined flour is not particularly good for you, starches in the form of whole grains, potatoes, sweet potatoes, legumes, corn, quinoa, etc. should be at front and center of your diet. I moved to a starch based diet a month ago- not only have I lost 10 lbs while eating as much as I want, but my cholesterol and blood pressure have also dropped significantly.
Don't believe the propaganda- diets based on meat, dairy and processed foods are very unhealthy for you. Refined sugar is bad too, but I would argue animal products and added oil are as bad or worse than is sugar.
lenlarga,
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You've been feed a load of vegan/vegetarian propaganda and you've swallowed it all hook, line, and sinker. Don't worry you're not the first one to fall for it.share
Quick and to the point; here's two books you should read by authors that used to be vegan/vegetarian until they got sick...
Death by Food Pyramid: How Shoddy Science, Sketchy Politics and Shady Special Interests Have Ruined Our Health... by Denise Minger
http://www.amazon.com/Death-Food-Pyramid-Politics-Interests/dp/0984755 128/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1399670884&sr=1-1&k eywords=death+by+food+pyramid
The Wahls Protocol: How I Beat Progressive MS Using Paleo Principles and Functional Medicine by Terry Wahls M.D.
http://www.amazon.com/Wahls-Protocol-Progressive-Principles-Functional /dp/1583335218/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1399670793&s r=1-1&keywords=the+wahls+protocol
Or read this web page for FREE...
http://rawfoodsos.com/for-vegans/
Best of luck to you,
You are writing to the wrong person. I was a Meat-atarian most of my life. I've been there, done that. That animal product-heavy diet did not serve me well.
While my overall health was OK during my meat eating years, I struggled with weight problems constantly. Granted, animal products don't deserve all the blame-highly processed junk food and added sugars and oils played a big part in my weight struggles as well- but my main source of calories were from beef, chicken, fish, pork and cheeses. And every year, I gained a little bit more weight.
Then, in my 40s, when I went to the Atkins to lose weight, I became dehydrated and potassium deficient and very nearly killed myself. Still, I toyed with ultra low carb for 8 more years, until finally I stumbled on the whole foods, plant based diet (initially through Dr. Joel Fuhrman's writings).
Since switching to a high carb, starch based diet with no meat or dairy or oils, I've reduced my weight from 221 to 185. Not only that, my cholesterol has dropped nearly 50 points and my blood pressure has gone from high normal to normal.
There is no source you can point me to that is going to convince me that eating more meat will make my life better. Having already tried that approach, I realize it is a dead end.
PS- As for Denise Minger, she was a raw veganist is my understanding. No wonder she was sick! I can't speak for her or anyone else, but I have more energy than ever on a starch-based vegan diet.
I'm glad you found what what works best for you. You just have to be careful when you make broad blanked statements like...
I would argue animal products and added oil are as bad or worse than is sugar
There are good oils and bad oils. Any highly processed oils equal trans fats which is bad oil. On the other hand there are a number of healthy oils like, olive oil, coconut oil, avocado oil, palm oil, Sesame oil, Macadamia nut oil, Walnut oil, etc. Although I would only cook with coconut oil or palm oil, the rest should be used cold.
Not all animal products are created equal. I believe most nutritionists would agree that a source of protein (wild, grass-fed, range-free, etc.) that is high in omega-3 would be healthy and good for you. While processed meats like, hot dogs, chicken nuggets, McRib, the hamburger that McDonalds got a lot of bad publicity over, etc., are probably at the other end of the healthy spectrum.
While there is good and bad oils, and good and bad animal products, from a health standpoint there is nothing good about sugar, other than the taste ;)
I'm not trying to change your mind, but "The Wahls Protocol" is a pretty impressive story. If you know anyone with multiple sclerosis you know it usually doesn't get better, it just gets worse and worse until one day you are completely bedridden. For Dr. Wahls, to go from a wheelchair to walking and riding a bike again is pretty amazing! She attributes it to a 'nutrient dense' diet of healthy meats, oils, vegetables and fruits. She mentions in her book that most doctors get less than twenty-four hours of study devoted to nutrition. It was only because of her illness that forced her to research nutrition and foods, and experiment on herself.
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While there is good and bad oils, and good and bad animal products, from a health standpoint there is nothing good about sugar, other than the taste ;)
The problem with oils, even the healthier ones, is they are a highly processed food, just like sugar, and are very calorie dense. So for people trying to lose weight, they can add a whole lot of calories very quickly.
As for Wahls, I have heard about her and I have it on my 'to do' list to look her up. And she is correct about doctors knowing next to nothing about nutrition- and that is very sad, because it only means they will keep prescribing people unnecessary medications, because that is all they know. share
While all oils, like any food not consumed in its original state, are processed to some degree, some, like extra virgin olive oil, coconut oil and most Asian-style peanut oil are minimally processed especially compared to white sugar.
sharefatpie42,
I know what you mean. I used to love bread with lots of butter and people used to say to me, "Wow, have a little bread with your butter". Now that I've learned that the butter is better for you than the bread, and there is no such thing as a, "healthy whole grain"...it's just a marketing slogan, I no longer eat grains, I've replaced them with lots of non-starchy vegetables.
You would probably like, Jonathan Bailor, author of, The Calorie Myth: How to Eat More, Exercise Less, Lose Weight, and Live Better.
http://www.amazon.com/Calorie-Myth-Exercise-Weight-Better/dp/006226733 7/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1399674774&sr=1-1&key words=the+calorie+myth
He doesn't try and push people or push supplements or special products. He'll give you the knowledge and let you figure out how to make it work for you. Baby-steps or all-in, as long as you are moving in the right direction it's all good. You can find his videos and podcasts on the Internet and on youtube.
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Au contraire my friend. When it comes to your pancreas grains are just another form of sugar, and some grains will even spike your blood sugar faster than table sugar. There is also the anti-nutrients in grains that block your body from absorbing other nutrients. Bottom line, calorie for calorie, grains don't hold a candle to most non-starchy vegetables for fiber and other nutrients. So, in moderation they may not matter, but I wouldn't call them healthy.
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Are we still talking about bread?
Yeah, wholegrain bread is better for you than normal bread and is perfectly fine in small doses. But it definitely causes you to put on more weight than dairy products like butter and cheese.
"Healthy in moderation" is a great little slogan, but if someone is trying to avoid putting on weight they need to know what they can eat that will be good for them. Fruit and vegetables are mostly really good, even in large quantities, with exceptions like potatoes.
Bread, as you say, is okay if it's wholegrain and it is in small quantities. But the point made earlier is that if someone is saying "hold off on the butter" when someone is eating bread and butter, they may not realise that it is actually the amount of bread that needs to be more carefully moderated when avoiding weight gain.
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We are talking about bread here right?
According to google, 100g of wholewheat bread contains 6g of sugar. Heck, sugar is an important part of the creation of bread.
So yeah, if sugar magically doesn't cause you to put on weight, then I guess you're right. However, for the rest of us mere mortals, we have to be very careful how much bread we eat because of the carbohydrates contained in it.
wholegrain bread is better for you than normal bread and is perfectly fine in small doses
And...filtered cigarettes are better for you than non-filtered cigarettes, so therefore that must make filtered cigarettes healthy, errr, in moderation. That is the same silly nonsense the grain companies used to make people think "WHOLE" grains are healthy. It obviously worked because most people think whole grains are healthy.
They compared "WHOLE" grains to "REFINED FLOUR", and said LOOK, whole grains have more nutrients than refined flour (DUH). And the headlines read...Healthy Whole Grains. They didn't compare whole grains to common vegetables because they knew it would loose out big time. share
Whole grains ARE healthy. They've been the staple foods of all the world's most successful populations for thousands of years.
Barley - Middle East for 11,000 years
Corn - Central and South America for 7000 years
Millet - Africa for 6,000 years
Oats - Middle East for 11,000 years
Sorghum - East Africa for 6,000 years
Rice - Asia for more than 10,000 years
Rye - Asia for 5000 years
Wheat - Near East for 10,000 years
The science says they're good, even if low carbers claim otherwise.
Whole Grains May Work As Well As Drugs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qp5MywomPc
Great Grain Robbery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K5wqHy8sxo
Fawning Over Flora
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqmzhHboTG8
I assure you, whole grains are perfectly healthy in moderation
I assure you, anything that spikes your blood sugar (glucose) faster and as high or higher than granulated sugar is NOT considered healthy. Grains are just as guilty as sugar for this obesity and diabetes epidemic.
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There are genuine experts on healthy eating out there. It's just that they are called Dieticians, not Nutritionists.
Bread is made using sugar, therefore it is not as healthy as fruit and vegetables. Surely this is obvious?
Yeah sure, if you eat "grains" on their own they'll be fine. But bread is made with sugar and flour, which can have a negative impact on health.
And while you are right that more people have inactive roles, like office work, which is limits exercise levels. Oddly enough though, worries about 'fatty foods' have not been helpful since the words 'low fat' appeared everywhere often with the fat being replaced by sugar.
In a MacDonalds burger, the meat in the burger is not the part which will be unhealthy (unless there's something dodgy about the treatment process before freezing). The bun on the other hand? That's made of white bread which is starchy and can cause you to put on weight. (Also it's that bright white fluffy kind of bread which may well have more sugar than normal anyway.) But because of the fat scares, what do we think of as unhealthy? The 'greasy' meat, right?
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Bread always contains sugar. Look up how bread is made and stop being so damn silly.
Also, are you telling me that beef is suddenly unhealthy is the cows weren't able to wander around enough? Give me a break.
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I'm going to backtrack on a few things here.
Bread has to contains something to feed the yeast. That's normally sugar, but I admit that the amount of sugar used may be very limited. I'm not aware of alternatives, but that's not the main ingredient certainly
Still, correct me if I'm wrong here, it always contains flour, right? And flour is starchy food and is bad for you.
People have eaten it for centuries doesn't mean it is healthy. Like you said, it's fine in moderation. Fruit and vegetables are a lot more healthy than bread. I'm not saying that bread is as unhealthy as chocolate cookies.
I'm not living in America, so the way cows are treated is different. Battery-farming of chickens happens more than I'd like over here, but battery-farming of cows? Heck, the idea that cows wouldn't be free to wander in fields and eat grass just seems strange. (Although dodgy feed is not unknown. That's how the BSE scandal came about.)
So if we bear all that in mind, my point is that, supposing that the cows develop normally and aren't kept in closed conditions, stuffed full of hormones, and fed inappropriate food, their meat should be healthy. And a lot healthier than starchy foods like bread.
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No, you don't need sugar or an alternative to make bread. You should look up how bread is made.
My goodness, I must be wrong on how bread is made, clearly right? Let me just look it up. Oh no, wait, it's exactly how I thought...
A small amount of sugar is normally fed to the yeast so that it produces carbon dioxide to make the bread rise. That is how bread is made. Now please stop being daft.
Yeah, flour is the main ingredient, but I don't really understand why you think it's bad for you.
Because it's full of carbohydrates which are harder for your body to break down. It's the same reason why chips are bad for you. Potatoes are starchy foods too.
But if you're in good shape and live an active lifestyle and workout regularly, then there's nothing wrong with getting those necessary nutrients your body needs from bread.
I'm not saying that there are NO good nutrients in bread, but it is high in carbohydrates. If you are involved in heavy enough exercise in your daily life then you can probably afford a higher calorie intake in general. But we are talking about the obesity crisis here, so naturally I am going to refer to foods that make you put on more weight than others.
Carbohydrates are not an essential nutrient in humans and since it is mostly flour, bread is chock full of them. Apparently nutritionists will throw around terms like simple and complex carbohydrates - and that's completely misleading. But a more scientific approach could point to the glycemic index. This is to with the extent to which blood glucose levels rise after eating different sorts of foods. Naturally white bread is higher GI than wholewheat bread, but neither of them are great for you if you are trying to lose weight, particularly if you have a condition whereby losing weight is particularly difficult.
Naturally the lowest GI foods are most fruit and vegetables, along with beans and pulses, seeds and, yeah, the grains on their own. But if you are planning on eating grains inside BREAD then the other ingredients like flour are going to put the GI levels up significantly. share
Carbohydrates are not an essential nutrient in humans and since it is mostly flour, bread is chock full of them. Apparently nutritionists will throw around terms like simple and complex carbohydrates - and that's completely misleading.
You are a little confused. It is necessary to take into account the difference between complex carbohydrates and simple carbohydrates in order to not be misleading. It's the difference between refined sugar and broccoli. Bread is mostly floor certainly, but what type of flour really matters, wholemeal four based bread is very good for you, at least if it isn't adulterated with undesirable things.
So if we bear all that in mind, my point is that, supposing that the cows develop normally and aren't kept in closed conditions, stuffed full of hormones, and fed inappropriate food, their meat should be healthy. And a lot healthier than starchy foods like bread.
Probably not, there's a strong argument to be made that meat should be eaten like a condiment rather than a main course.
Low Meat or No Meat?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zz4x2dkkl8
Avoiding a sugary grave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S91x9kTo1aI
Meat & Mortality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM4ldr_xdc8
Does low meat consumption increase life expectancy in humans?
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/526S.long
Atkins diet: trouble keeping it up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka_ngjez9dA
Chemically, yes, bread contains sugar, but the vast majority of breads don't have any sugar added. Most breads are a combination of flour, yeast, salt, and water, and maybe oil and milk if you want to make it fancy. It's usually the nastiest, full-of-air, industrial breads that have sugar added.
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EIGHT STROKS OF RYRE - Beta Grandfather Dorin
Bread always contains sugar. Look up how bread is made and stop being so damn silly.
This is apparently going to come as a great shock but sugar isn't toxic, sugar isn't the sole reason for obesity, in fact sugar used in moderation is okay. But look at the amount in bread vs the amount in a soda, there's no comparison.
Haha, Sam_Crowe, you crack me up. If someone doesn't see things your way you result to slinging insults at them? I think they call that a superiority complex. Anyway, it's obviously a waste of my time to try and have a conversation with someone that thinks they know-it-all, so I bid you adieu.
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Wow! You're really not too bright, are you?
Way to prove you're an idiot
you're clearly a dumb kvnt. You need to be put in your place
LOL, thanks for proving my point why it's always a waste of time trying to carry on a conversation with people like you...it always ends in name calling and insults. See, I just saved us a lot time and let you skip straight to the name calling part, you know-it-alls are so predictable ;)
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I assure you, anything that spikes your blood sugar (glucose) faster and as high or higher than granulated sugar is NOT considered healthy. Grains are just as guilty as sugar for this obesity and diabetes epidemic.
I don't know where you're getting your 'facts' from but 100% Whole Grain bread has a glycemic index of 51 (glucose=100). A wheat tortilla has a glycemic index of only 30, that's lower than a carrot.
I don't believe the science supports the idea that the butter is better for you than the bread. The research suggests that the butter increases your insulin insensitivity thus making you less able to deal with the sugars that the bread provides. Avoiding the bread is avoiding the underlying problem of insulin insensitivity, which in large part is caused by too much saturated fat and animal proteins in the diet.
shareBritish documentary series "The Men That Made Us Fat" is currently being shown on PBS in the Chicago area. First episode is on sugar / high fructose corn syrup. Very interesting.
shareBritish documentary series "The Men That Made Us Fat" is currently being shown on PBS in the Chicago area. First episode is on sugar / high fructose corn syrup. Very interesting.
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