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It's not your fault you're fat...


It's the sugary foods and beverages. At least that's what this garbage docu is trying to tell people. They want to tell you that you don't need personal responsibly, that why you have the government, they can do all your thinking for you.

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Actually it sounds more like they're applying at least part of the blame TO the government for subsidizing the industries that are making all this crap and the other government organizations that are making excuses for the industry and defending it instead of regulating it for the poison it is.

Did you not watch the trailer?

But yes.... every supermarket has a sad, lonely, aisle or two full of fresh fruit and other healthy foods that nobody visits because of their uncontrollable sugar addiction.

People make choices. They just choose the easier, lazier way to do everything. Why cook a health dinner from scratch when everything you need is in this conenient package that can be put in the science oven. Or better yet, handed to you through a window as you drive home from a hard day of work where you labored over a computer all day in your dungeon of a cubicle.

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I literally just busted out laughing at "science oven"

Oh my god, unisex names killed my family.

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No you're crazy!!! People have a choice to eat this kind of food knowing the aftermath of it. For example that lady that tried to sue mcdonalds because she got fat. She had a choice to eat a Big Mac or an apple.

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Of all the foods they could get fat from, the Big Mac probably isn't the worst culprit. The chips and coke that are generally sold with it on the other hand...

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Not everything is black and white... Work on your critical thinking skills...

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True. There are a lot of factors that should also be taken into acount.

We give up a lot of choice in our daily lives because we live in a society that puts work before everything else.

Not everyone chooses to have to commute an hour to work every day. They might choose to take that job, but usually it's because of other factors as well (better pay, benefits, stability, etc).

Could that person choose to move closer? Sure... but they might also have to choose to take a loss on the home they're selling in order to do this. They might have to choose to give up living in a safe area with good schools in order to reduce their commute time.

Everyone makes decisions every day.

People choose to either wake up earlier and make themselves a healthy breakfast or stop at a fast food place and grab something quick and easy.

They might choose to make their lunch the night before or grab something cheap, quick, easy, and tasty from the fast food place across the stree.

They might choose to take 30-45 minutes to make a healthy/nutritious dinner after working an 8 hour day and commuting an hour... or ordering a pizza on the way home.

They could choose to go for a walk after dinner to walk the fat food they just ate or sit on the couch for the 2 hours before going to bed and starting all over again the next day of their miserable, monotonous existence.

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There is no excuse.

The only one is that you're so mentally paralyzed from poverty, stress, etc that you cannot think and are just in survival mode. I've had situations like that and tended toward comfort food, and I stopped my intense health regime because I was giving up.

But, an average person who has the internet can easily look up all the facts about all foods. The most important factor is calories in calories out. So, learning how many calories a person like you needs is important and easy to find online. Looking up the cals in foods you eat is also easy, and after awhile, you will just know it if you tend to eat a lot of the same things.

Almost no one has to be fat, they just choose to ignore the basic thing that is making them look and feel like crap. It is bizarre if you think about it.

I'm very allergic to air pollution and can do nothing about it, I can't stop breathing, I can't eliminate cars, etc and so it's beyond my control. However, food is in NO WAY beyond anyone's control.

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You had me until...

The most important factor is calories in calories out


Don't worry most people still believe in that myth. It's pretty much the same myth as, the reason people are fat is because they eat to much and exercise to little (aka lazy).

It's not about the quantity of the food, it's about the quality of the food. Your body does not process all foods the same way. Here's just one example; Fat is about twice the calories as protein or carbs, but fat does NOT make you fat and does not impact your blood sugar (glucose).

Anyway, just google, "calories in calories out" and you'll find plenty of pages explaining the myth.

You could also read either of Gary Taubes books, "Good Calories, Bad Calories" or "Why We Get Fat". I saw him in the trailer for "Fed Up", so it looks like he's in this documentary. You can also find videos of him on youtube.

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"Fat is about twice the calories as protein or carbs, but your body does not store it, in other words, fat does NOT make you fat."

The statement that the body does not store fat is incorrect. Fat is broken down in the intestine and then repackaged as triglycerides. They are transported through the blood via lipoproteins or chylomicrons and generally have three destinations: they can bind to hepatocytes and be stored in the liver, they can bind to muscles where they can be absorbed and utilized as fuel through the beta-oxidation pathway, or they can bind with adipocytes and be stored as fat.

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@iamparker

That's why exercise matters too, right?

But the point is that sugar is just plain bad for you. Starchy foods are going to be pretty bad for you too. But fat is broken down in various ways and, depending on your exercise levels, can actually be pretty good for you.

Certainly no knowledge about food is an excuse not to exercise, but simple calorie counting may be misleading.

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I was not arguing that fat is the main culprit. It is not. I was simply pointing out the error of the statement. Misinformation on top of misinformation helps no one.

Fat has been vilified in the mainstream media for many years (and by some dieticians) because of some misleading research into the connection between the consumption of saturated fats and heart disease. The real problem, as you indicate, is the simple sugars that are found in the majority of processed foods. That, coupled with a lack of exercise, has lead to such a dramatic increase in obesity and type II diabetes.

The majority of people would see a substantial improvement in their body composition simply by eating real food and only real food. And that includes fat.



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haha, yeah, the fact that your gut bacteria converts tons of stuff into " fat" for your body to process is what's so funny to me about the anti-dietary fat people. it's really neat in gorillas too, despite being mostly vegetarian with a small amount of bugs, their guts turn nearly everything into fat!

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Don't worry most people still believe in that myth. It's pretty much the same myth as, the reason people are fat is because they eat to much and exercise to little (aka lazy).


I'm pretty sure it's not a myth, there's no such thing as good/bad calories, just calories...
You should take a look at this video

http://www.kcci.com/news/central-iowa/science-teacher-creates-document ary-based-on-mcdonalds-diet/23750942

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Well yeah, calories aren't good or bad. But that doesn't mean that judging your food intake purely by calorie-counting is going to always be the best method. Another element is how the various types of food are broken down.

That's not to say it's not a great overall guide. Sugar is the worst thing for you and sugary foods often have the most calories.

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It's not about the quantity of the food, it's about the quality of the food
Exactly.

Fanboy : a person who does not think while watching.

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You are wrong.
Source: My Biochemistry PhD

on my way to ignoring the entire population of imdb

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think about racism, say 100, 300, 500, 1000 years ago. we can look back now and be horrified by the casual and quite frankly stupid and abhorrent racism perpetrated by plenty of "good" people, but it was a way of life and something they were exposed to from birth.

thankfully, some people go against the grain! but most people seem to have a hard time stepping outside of cultural norms.

honestly, it's seems it's probably important that we have both types of people. if no one followed cultural norms laws might break down and some cultural norm following produces great feats in technology and the arts because people unite as some kind of whole. for instance, space travel, much of architecture, musical genres, the various fabric arts and on and on.

balance is important, but just as there is some great advancements by people that spectacularly (and often violently) broke down cultural norms, there will be people that tend more towards going with the flow, rather than critical analysis. i can understand why some people might not want to fight.

further, it's hard to know what the stupid cultural norms are when you are part of it - it's the fish bowl problem. so some people being more risk adverse behave in a way to minimize their chances of being wrong. the everyone else was doing it explanation is still wildly popular too. :) there are even good arguments for it, the funny example i read was that if everyone you trusted jumped off a bridge it's not illogical to assume there is something to gain from doing so, for instance there is water bellow and it's a fun jump or there is an angry mod after them an that's the quickest way to get away. :)

one thing that is clear to me though, is that blaming and personal attacks are not useful or productive methods of social change and are only re-enforcing the status quo, "stay safe in the herd mentality" regardless of the content of the statements. people need to feel safe (or be crazy!) to attempt to break out otherwise.

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It's the fat peoples fault. Everyone knows how you get fat. Even dumb people.

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I dunno any fat ppl but I once met dis gurl who wuz fat and she wuz like no, I won't give up fried chicken.

Werd 2 ur mudda, bruddafcker

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Another ahole who did not see the movie and thinks they know it all.

The best analogy that the system is stacked against people is as if you
took a heroin addict and helped them through rehad, but then when they
got out you made them carry around a bag of heroin wherever they went.

When you go into an American supermarket over 85% of the stuff in there
has too much added sugar in it.

You are prevented from knowing what is in many items, and while food is
required to label other ingredients it does not have to label how much
sugar is required in your daily diet ... that past is missing.

If this was really about personal responsibility, why do the food producers
go so far out of their way to avoid labelling their products so people can
make informed responsible decisions?

Because you're an ahole, that's why.

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You are prevented from knowing what is in many items, and while food is
required to label other ingredients it does not have to label how much
sugar is required in your daily diet ... that past is missing.


Is this really the case in America? If it is, that is screwed up! Every product in supermarkets here in the UK have this information.

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Sure are a lot of food industry shills on this board...

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IMO

Fast food is the biggest problem, and sugary treats.

My Son was 11 when I sepirated from my wife, I maintained custody of him be she has the summer ( 2 months) with him before school started in the fall.
When he left my care in june he had just turned 12. Perfect weight for his size, almost to skinny.
During the 2 months my ex had him in her care he gained 38 pounds of pure 100% fat. None of his his normal daily activities were done anymore, she kept him in the house watching movies, and playing computer game. His diet for 2 months ( and I am not BS'ing anyone here) was McDonald for lunch and dinner. Pizza Pizza slices, and about a half ton truck load of french fries.

I was shocked to see my fit, healthy and active boy so shamefully out of shape.

I am 44 years old and I tend to be lucky with a very high metabolism
I can eat just about as much grease and steak, and juicy bacon burgers I want.
Potato chips and pistachios are my biggest vice. Now I do eat salads, lots of raw veggies and fruit. My job is a physically demanding and I get a great cardio from it.

Long story short it took about 4 months for the weight to come off my son, He looks healthy again and thousands of clothes wont be wasted. Since seeing the transformation in himself by looking at older pictures to (and I hate this term) his fat summer of 2011 he was shocked.
So what I did was count the fats, calories ect for each meal, after his meal he was allowed 15 mins to rest and we went walking to start, then picked up the pace to speed walking and now were riding bikes 20km on weekends. ( the pedal kind no motors) He fought me the whole first week saying I was a cheap ass iirc, If I loved him I would get him take out. I laughed and had a seriously long conversation with him.

I gave a challenge, you do this for me for 1 month, no cheating and actually apply yourself if you dont notice a change we will stop. By day 5 he was losing weight you could notice, energy level came back and is through the roof. He is 15 now and still continues to eat right and exercise, but the best part was when he said ...thank you dad

I do agree some people are born overweight but basic math teaches how to lose weight you burn more than you take in, if you follow that simple rule then you have to lose weight. Growing your own veggies is a good idea, there fresh and no chemicals

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It's the sugary foods and beverages. At least that's what this garbage docu is trying to tell people. They want to tell you that you don't need personal responsibly, that why you have the government, they can do all your thinking for you.


@daley23

Is this statement coming from your ignorance of the truth about processed foods or are you a hack for Big Food working to post on websites/forums to downplay and or discredit any concerns rasied about processed foods in this documentary? You clearly are uninformed and one has to wonder if you even watched the documentary or did you watch the trailer and from that alone decided its garbage?

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