This is in reply to some of your earlier posts about people praising you for being a good debater. You have some learning to do, the biggest of which is that of research. You can not have a good debate with someone who does not do research on the topic. It also doesn't help when you tell people who do not like the movie to not comment on it, but it is totally okay for you to post on how much you like it. You have to realize that haters and likers are the same thing. You get upset for all the hate on this movie but you expect people not to respond when you like, what is obviously a bad movie (which is one of the reasons I enjoy this type of slasher flick so much). You can't have it both ways and you need to realize that.
Now, does not having a ton of viewing experience mean you can't like a movie? No it does not, but if you are going to come on to a website and discuss said movie, you must be prepared for people that actually view movies as a form of art and are passionate about their views. Saying movies are not to be taken seriously is also very offense to those whose career is to take movies seriously. Movie critics are not people that have simply watched movies. These are people that have taken courses in university (they do exist as I have taken a handful). They have discussed all aspects of film from the beginnings (late 1800s) they have also wrote many papers on the subject. So if you disrespect their view, expect the same in return. I took those courses because of my love of film and because I figured "its movies, it can't be hard". Thankfully I was only half wrong. It was not easy, but I do fancy myself a bit of an aficionado and was able to think critically and was able to dissect the films I was required to. It also doesn't help when you say things like "what research is to be done". Dude, not a good way to think if you think you are a good debater! The moment someone called you on your statement your first response was that you "don't want to get all Pseudoscience on the movie, you just want to watch it". Forget that you misspelled the word (i had to google it), what is more troubling (especially to someone who thinks "debate is their thing") is that the word is not really applicable to the study of film. Unless the film is sci-fi, and even then it would only be used to comment on the actual science in the film. (It is troubling because words are a debaters weapons, you need to know which one to use or you will get destroyed! lol)
Do you have to take movie courses to find a movie good? Again, no. But if you are going to go to iMDB forums and say a movie is good (when it is obviously a bad movie in the cannon of all movies) expect people to call you out on your lack of knowledge.
Now, liking a movie and saying it is good are two different things. I believe most people assumed that you thought this movie was good, when in fact you simply liked it. However, if you did think this movie was a good film, I have to ask what you think of something like Citizen Cain (widely considered to be the best film in American history). No one can tell you your opinion, it is rather impossible to do so. But someone can say your opinion is wrong when your opinion is based on nothing. Yes you liked this movie, I can't argue that with you, I would be stupid to do so. What I can do is argue that this movie as a good movie or a bad movie. Like and good are two different thing. For example, you like strawberries, but the only strawberries you have ever tried came out of you own back yard. I can't tell you that you are wrong, you do not like strawberries, that would just be silly. However, I can argue that you have not had the best strawberries. I could give you a strawberry that was grown by a professional in the best soil and climate ever. Until you have that strawberry, I can argue all I want that you are wrong. But once you eat my strawberry, you now have the knowledge to form a more well rounded opinion. You can now say, I prefer my strawberry, but yours are very tasty. Now I can't argue anymore because you have the same knowledge I do. How does this scenario apply to film? Start watching all the films out there, not just slasher flicks.
With movies there are quantifiable aspects to determine if a movie is good or not. There are numerous ways this is determine, some of which include: Script, story-line, director, cinematographer, lighting, set design, acting, atmosphere, soundtrack, and not treating your audience like an idiot, to name a few. If you look at a film from these aspects you will be able to see the difference between a good film and a bad film. Budget should only be a consideration when dealing with special effects. A classic example of a GOOD film would be the original Jaws. Other than Deep Blue Sea, I can't think of another shark movie that was remotely successful. Does that mean I can't like the rest of the Jaws films (the 4th was terrible, even with Michael Caine! but I enjoyed it, but I also was well aware this was a terrible film).
I could care less how much memorabilia someone has, or how long they have been watching movies, that means F all in determining if you are able to review a movie. If you are going to post on a board like this you need to think critically. Think about your argument before you post and more importantly think about the other side of the argument. That is the most important part to debating. Knowing what you are going to say is very important, but if you are not only prepared for the opposite view, but actually know what their argument will be, you will be able to firmly put someone in their place, instead of saying things like "Looks like someone doesn't know how to tone down the hate." Hell, the only reason I decided to write this much about nothing is due to your very weak responses. Hell, you prob won't ever see this!
You can take this as a hate filled rant, or you can take it as constructive criticism, as I do not feel I am attacking you, more enlightening you.
Capcanuk had a very solid response to your posts and all you did was attack him. He was spot on when he said that you need to accept that you liked a bad film. He was not rude in the slightest, yet your reply comes of very childish. Kinda sounded as if you couldn't deal with the fact that he may be right and you may be wrong. I f'in love bad films!!!! They can be just as entertaining as great films. Why do you seem so upset that you may just like a bad film? I have not seen the Hellraiser franchise yet (if you knew me you would be shocked), but I have talked to people who love the entire series, yet they will be the first one to tell you that after the 1st, maybe the 2nd, they are just crap, but they still love them! Horror films are so hard to make into a franchise because it becomes old hat so quick. Friday the 13th, Hellraiser, Puppet Master, Halloween (except the 3rd) and Wrong Turn: These classic slasher flicks are insanely popular, but can actually say that any of these films were as good as the first? Do people like them, yes, are some better than others, sure, but nothing will be as good as the first. After the 3rd installment of any of these movies you knew what was going to happen. With that said, I always enjoy trying to figure out the order of their death and how creative people are killed. It is also fun to determine who the "survivors" will be. Like in WT2 I thought it was going to be the show-runners GF. She seemed so sweet and innocent and she was being cheated on, a perfect survivor girl. We all know how that ended. lol
I don't expect you to write a response quite like mine (sloooow workday), but I am interested in hearing what you have to say, especially since it has been 2 years since you posted on this thread. I would enjoy an actual debate with you, if you are up for it.
I wrote this on thy fly so I apologize for an major grammatical/spelling errors and that I jump all over the place. lol
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berniekeeping
9 years ago
HAHAHA. Although everything I wrote is still applicable, I thought I was on WT4 board, which is why I was sooooo shocked that you defended that movie and one of the reasons why I wrote so much. I just could not see how anyone thought WT4 was defendable, even if you liked it. lol.
That was a seriously bad movie. So much wrong, but if you just witnessed your GF murdered and half her blood on your body, and your friend being eaten, do you really fall asleep while on guard? lol
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