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Racist, sexist, blatant misogyny...


So, because her husband was a drunk, was I supposed to forgive the mum for her ridiculously racist views about South Indians or was I supposed to find it charming?

The portrayal of South Indians as mellow and meek is ridiculous and fairly stupid.
Everyone keeps referring to Alia as being "fair for a South Indian" and this is supposed to be a compliment.

"Because I'm a guy" isn't an answer to "Why do you expect me to know how to cook when you can't?" And when she wore shorts or whatever, he implies, "If you get teased or stared, it's your fault".

The simpering, excusing his mother's behaviour and expecting his fiancé to adhere to them as well is so utterly taxing.

So the movie pretty much shows the major troubles of most women in India - not as something that should be radically changed but as the norm and (should be learnt to live with it)!

I wouldn't be surprised that the kids they have at the end are boys because they aborted the female fetus because let's throw female infanticide in there because that's the only one missing!

I was supposed to find this a charming love story, was I? If this is love, then I'm asexual!

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You are looking at it the wrong way.
The Mum was not racist because her husband was drunk. Her character was being used to depict your average Punjabi. Most Punjabis/North Indians are ignorant of the South Indian culture. As in real life, they call all South Indians as 'madrasis' when in fact there are several different types of South Indians.

The portrayal of South Indians as mellow and meek is ridiculous and fairly stupid.

It was done to contrast it with the dominating, loud, intolerant and over-the-top Punjabis.


Everyone keeps referring to Alia as being "fair for a South Indian" and this is supposed to be a compliment.

Again, it was used to depict the reality. Most North Indians, being ignorant as they are, assume that all South Indians are dark-skinned.


So the movie pretty much shows the major troubles of most women in India - not as something that should be radically changed but as the norm and (should be learnt to live with it)!

The mum finally does come around and accepts Ananya as it is - so what the movie actually shows is that women do not have to live with these troubles.


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uh, what do I know ?!?

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I didn't say she was racist because her husband was a drunk. I said, was I supposed to forgive her racism because I was meant to feel sorry for her as her husband is a drunk?
Like, "Oh poor you, what a horrible marriage you have, that totally excuses you for your prejudiced and offensively stereotypical ways."

Yes, the whole "fair for a South Indian" thing is depicting the ignorance of society and that is what I meant. Nobody calls them out on their ignorance, Alia doesn't really try to defend herself, so the ignorant society you speak of will watch the movie and find its views completely acceptable.
So, society functions under the stupid illusions and self-hatred that comes with it.
Maybe the whole thing wouldn't have been so bad had the actress actually been South Indian. I just found it so cringeworthy.

It doesn't matter the mum accepts her, that wasn't even close to what I said. The ideal Indian women and what society expects from her is so mind bogglingly ridiculous.
This film just tells society, "Yes, you should expect the impossible from women and anything less than means you should tell them they aren't good enough, preferably, to their face."
1. The ideal women is expected to earn as much as her husband but won't be treated as an equal.
2. She'll be expected to do the housework even if she works longer hours than her spouse.
3. She'll have to know how to cook and accept your family's emotional baggage without a word. (The parents' marriage)
4. Not to forget, she'll have to be whiter than snow. Both skin color wise and as pure the driven snow.


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...was I supposed to forgive her racism because I was meant to feel sorry for her as her husband is a drunk?

No. The drunk and abusive father angle is there to show the strained relationship between Chetan Bhagat and his father in real life.

...Alia doesn't really try to defend herself, so the ignorant society you speak of will watch the movie and find its views completely acceptable.

I agree that nobody explicitly tried to tell the Mum that she was wrong. But the audience is expected to know that Mum is the villain and hence wrong in whatever she does/says. I really don't know how to better explain this, so never mind :)

This film just tells society, "Yes, you should expect the impossible from women and anything less than means you should tell them they aren't good enough, preferably, to their face."

While I agree that this may be true in general, I really don't see this movie promoting all these ideas.


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Agree on every point. But then this movie is based on a story written by Chetan Bhagat, what else can you expect :)

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I asked a perfectly valid question that summarised my feelings when I watched the movie. Yeah, I KNOW I'm dramatic that's why I CHOSE my username.

What's your point?

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I think you completely missed the point of this movie. This film shows REALISM. It is based on true events which Chetan himself has gone through, and as a North Indian I can guarantee that many people are exactly like his mom in reality. The whole story is based on racism and how it affects people's lives. Instead of blatantly criticising something which offends you, open your mind and see why it is this way.

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Realism...? And op n my mind about what exactly? The fact that horrible people exist? Everybody has flaws and that's all part of bthe img human? Sure. I know all that. But Im talking about the movie and how it was portrayed that was biased and offensive. If they made the same kind of digs at punjabis as did at the tamilians - I would've been fine with it. But considering none of the main actors or the director was in fact South Indian - it came across as highly offensive.

And the misogyny...but hey...that's the kind of *beep* chauvinistic world we live in and I guess you're right, it certainly added to the realism.

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