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Do you think Richard loved ... (not Anne)? + thoughts (spoilers)


Do you think Richard loved younger Elizabeth? There is a deleted scene on Youtube, where he declares her love for her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfAA2FdbArk

Fangirl in me wants to believe he did not. I loved his story with Anne. But I am not sure if he really loved her either.

I think show's characterization of Richard and his relationship was very intriguing, because it was very ambiguous. From one moment to next, I was never sure if Richard really loved Anne. In two scenes, George accuses him of marrying Anne to serve his own interests. Both scenes, he does not object him, but more interestingly, expression on his face can be read in many ways. Show does not tip its hand! It does not show Richard indignant or offended, and he is so insistent on his honor, normally.

As he admits he has a lot of financial gain from Anne. But we also see a lot of scenes he seems genuinely tender and affectionate towards her. Despite what George says, he seems attracted to her. They have a passionate first night.
But then again, when he woos Elizabeth to humiliate Henry Tudor, he does that knowing full well that it means humiliation and pain for Anne. Hardly a behavior you show towards someone you love. Even, during Anne's funeral, when he tells off Elizabeth, he regrets losing Neville family support, not the pain he caused Anne.

I love that show and Aneurin Barnard's performance left some of Richard's feelings and motivations ambiguous.

My personal opinion is that Richard is an unbelievably ambitious and shrewd politician.
Interests of crown and York family are above anything else. He loved Anne to the extent he was capable of. He loved political and military victory more than he could ever love a woman. That's why when he was playing Elizabeth to humiliate his political rival, he completely put Anne's well-being aside. Let's say he would never ignore political consequences and marry a woman he fell in love under an oak tree like Edward did :)

So I have just written 3 paragraphs over Richard in The White Queen instead of writing a final paper :) But the character and his relationship with Anne was so intriguing to me I had to get it out of my system.
Cheers.

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I don't know.

All of his motives and true feelings are very, very ambiguous in this production.

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I think Anne was become so paranoid and consumed with her obsession over Elizabeth (I) that she wasn't really connected to Richard 3. You see that in the funeral of their don when he tries to go to Anne and she pushes him away, but Elizabeth reaches for his hand. Plus let's face it, Elizabeth was far more attractive and youthful, and making herself very available. He is is a man. I think he had mixed feelings.

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You see that in the funeral of their don when he tries to go to Anne and she pushes him away,

I think the reason she didn't take his hand was BECAUSE of Elizabeth and the fact he was willing to dishonor her ,actually or pretending, and her trying to blame him for the deaths of the boys in the Tower,which she believes brought them bad karma. She had valid reason to push him away, but Elizabeth saw that and knew what she was doing.

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Well the real Richard may have been ambitious and shrewd, but he was never going to marry his niece. He wasn't stupid. She was illigitmate and couldn't be Queen. He was really going to marry Princess Joanna of Portugal, a better match.

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Wasn't Princess Joanna born in 1439, making her 13 years older than him, 45? And as a King with no heirs, wouldn't that been imperative?

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She was born in 1452, the same year as Richard lll, but older than him by a few months. Idk what you’ve been reading.

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You're right. I don't remember where I got the 1439 date.

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I think he truly loved Anne. However, I think he fell in love with Elizabeth too even though that was not his initial intention in using her to disgrace Henry Tudor. I also think he would not have done anything to betray Anne,not just for love but his ambitions were more important than women.I do think he would have married Elizabeth had he not been killed in battle and lost to Tudor.

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Richard's feelings for Anne and Elizabeth are ambiguous because the situation is ambiguous. Both women symbolize enormous political power. No matter what, people, including Anne and Elizabeth, will doubt Richard's intentions.

If both women have no political, social, and economic advantage, will Richard still love them?

I think so, at least in this story.

George accused Richard of marrying Anne for her fortune, but at the time of their marriage, Anne's fortune was not in her hands until Richard and George reached a compromise. Richard did show concern for Anne's plight. Anne always wanted to marry Richard, and Richard was at least fond of her but his feelings for her were not as deep. Anne always doubted his love but he always shared his most intimate thoughts with her.

The portrayal of Richard's and Elizabeth's romance is off in my opinion. Lord Stanley was saying how obvious it was that Elizabeth loved Richard with body, mind, soul. Their supposed deep feelings for each other were not obvious to me! Prior to that, the only encounter between Richard and Elizabeth was in the abbey in the presence of mother Elizabeth Woodville where Richard exclaimed at how beautiful Princess Elizabeth was. I saw it as a compliment rather than the beginnings of an intense, passionate romantic love.

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I think he may have loved Anne as a childhood friend and did want to protect her, and marrying her was the only sure way to do that. To me the wedding night scene emphasized that; he knew what Edward of Lancaster had done so letting Anne take the lead kept Richard from unintentionally hurting her and established trust in the marriage bed rather than fear or disgust. A lot of people still don't believe it but a good sex life is crucial to a good marriage. It was the same then. He respected Anne and her opinions, but after Elizabeth's curse she blamed Edward for the illnesses and deaths of their children. I don't even think she would have been so hurt and angry over his affections for Princess Elizabeth if she had been someone else's daughter. All of that anger and hate could have been prevented if Edward and Elizabeth had cultivated their beginning relationships with family with a bit more caution and sense, but she hated Anne because she was Warwick's daughter.

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