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Scene after Margaret and Stanly wed


We see Margaret peeking out her door then she walks out in her nightgown and at that point Stanly walks by. He then bids her goodnight and tells her basically that he is not intending on visiting her bed as he is aware of her desire to live as a nun. She looks either disappointed or taken aback. He bids her goodnight and leaves, however she is still standing there looking weird a reluctantly closes her door. Was this scene supposed to imply her being dissapointed that he didn't want to sleep with her? Before the marriage takes place she and Stanly had already discussed her desire to not have issue, which translates that there would be no bedroom activity and was he was completely aware it was a business deal. Also, wasn't it a thing were she couldn't have issue morse than simply not wanting anymore.

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That was a pretty funny scene. The look on her face! She was no great beauty and she knew it. I think it was a combination of embarrassment (90%) and disappointment (10%) .

As far as why she tried to be all sexy (lol) in the first place was to butter him up. I don't quite remember the exact circumstances but didn't she want him to act on her son's behalf and he refused? So she served up all she had to offer, but her ploy fell on deaf ears.

The real question should be, "Why did he refuse?" 

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Ah, the question is probably the answer. She was probably offended that he didn't even try to sleep with her. As you said, she was no great beauty or even pretty, but she was a hypocrite and despite the fact she would have turned him down, her vanity was hurt. His reaction suggested that it was no loss to him as he probably didn't want to sleep with her in the first place basically saying " oh no, I will respect your wishe, since you don't want children there is no reason for me to touch you." She used her body with her last husband in order to manipulate him into doing something. I noticed her vanity was was hurt hurt when Richard declined her marriage proposal.When she first asked her messenger to make the proposal she became touchy when he seemed reluctant. She said something to the effect of "do you think I'm aiming too high".

I don't think that him not sleeping with her had much to do with his loyalty. Through the the whole ordeal he wanted to play both sides until the end. He didn't want to commit until it was clear who the winner was.

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And she knew it? There are plenty of beautiful women who don't think they're all that and instead, ugly. She certainly wasn't a beauty, but that didn't have anything to with that scene.

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Fair enough. 

She had little experience with men then. How's that? 

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It is not a stretch to conclude that she knew she was no beauty. Also, what is your take on the scene.

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I don't think she was able to have any more children but it wasn't common knowledge. Her comment to her mother about sending a child to do a woman's job was true. She gave birth to her son when she was 12 years old and very nearly died herself, so it would not be at all surprising if she was left unable to have more. Her second husband was not a fool and knew Margaret had no desire to marry him but was forced by her mother. I felt very bad for him; he tried very hard to make her happy and he was good to her, especially by the standards of the time, but she blamed him as well. I wondered more than once if he agreed to marry her anyway because he knew how awful her mother was and thought if he married Margaret it would prevent her from being given to someone as cruel as her mother was. I think he saw that her mother was pleased by her daughter's pain and unhappiness. Her not having children with him may have been blamed on his age. In any case, he was a decent man and would not have set her aside for not giving him an heir. He eventually laid town heavy terms for her to avoid what would amount to house arrest but she brought that on herself and could have gotten much worse.

She did not hate Stanley that way because he was her choice, not her mother's. I think the marriage was just as strategical for him as for her. She wanted and got a position at court, and he was married to essentially the wealthiest woman in the country. She dressed as if she were relatively poor in simple clothing without jewels or ornamentation, but her personal wealth was likely comparable to any member of the royal family. Since her half-brother was dead everything her mother had went to her, and as Stafford had no heirs his money went to her as his wife. If things went the way she wanted Stanley would be stepfather to the King. He ensured if she was found a traitor he would not be, so he would get everything she owned because her son would remain in exile. He wasn't cruel but he had no more love for her than she had for him and no desire to share her bed. He seemed decent for the time in the way he treated women so he probably preferred a much more willing sex partner, but Margaret did not really know enough about men in general to realize that.

She is not a likable person, but knowing her history makes her more understandable. When Anne said she was ancient she wasn't really that old. The combination of Anne's youth, Margaret's attitude, history, and relative uncaring as to her appearance made her seem much older than she really was.

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Her second husband was not a fool and knew Margaret had no desire to marry him but was forced by her mother. I felt very bad for him; he tried very hard to make her happy and he was good to her, especially by the standards of the time, but she blamed him as well. I wondered more than once if he agreed to marry her anyway because he knew how awful her mother was and thought if he married Margaret it would prevent her from being given to someone as cruel as her mother was. I think he saw that her mother was pleased by her daughter's pain and unhappiness. Her not having children with him may have been blamed on his age. In any case, he was a decent man and would not have set her aside for not giving him an heir. He eventually laid town heavy terms for her to avoid what would amount to house arrest but she brought that on herself and could have gotten much worse.


I was always under the impression that he realized that she didn't want to marry him over time. She barely hides her desire for Jasper and there are times her has caught them in an inappropriate positions. I always thought she liked him and thought he was a good man, but his refusal to support a goal that he didn't want or believe was her main source of resentment. I am not sure he knew how cruel Lady Beauchamp was to Margaret, but that Margaret didn't like her. One thing that threw me off was her reaction to his death. When he died she seemed to involuntarily break down as if she tried to hold it in. But was she crying for him or her loss and his request to make peace with the Yorks. I never thought she hated him, after-all she insisted to retrieve him herself from the battlefield despite telling him he was dead to her for not fighting for Lancaster. She was a very hard read character. Like when Stanly was asking her what outcome she wanted when they break the Princes out of the Tower, she initially refused to entertain the notion of killing them until Stanly grills her for an answer. But before that she gleefully talked about Richard killing them to unknowingly get rid of them for her. She was all over the place with her wants and attitude towards people.

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His "more than happy to respect (her) wishes" comment was gratuitously insulting. She wasnt that unattractive.

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We were not saying she was grossly ugly, just not attractive. She was pale thin and did absolutely nothing to make herself even somewhat attractive. Anyhow, are you suggesting his intent was to insult her?

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I thought so. He didn't seem to have much concern for her or their marriage beyond the political and economic benefits.

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