Don't get your hopes up, if a character hasn't been shown off yet then odds are they're not appearing at all or at the very least won't be playing a major part in it.
If this is anything like MGS4, it's not going to end up very well, one of that games biggest problems was all of the fan service that was ultimately pointless.
This post from Gamefaqs puts it all in pretty well.
"Rather than trying to tell an interesting story, the game was so caught up in trying to play connect the dots with prior characters and events that it turned into a mess. In some instances ruining previously established character development for the sake of appeasing some vocal whiners who *gasp!* sill couldn't be pleased anyways."
Like it or not, the guy isn't wrong, the only purpose MGS4's fan service served was to drag the quality of the story down a massive step from what it could've been.
Hell it was fan service that got us the "Nanomachines did everything!" explanation and made the story of the game not very good, it shouldn't have had to rely on nanomachines to make any sort of sense, especially since MGS1 and 2 didn't.
The only reason any of those characters should appear is if Kojima feels they need to, and if he doesn't feel they need to make an appearance then they shouldn't appear at all, he shouldn't just put them in for the sake of having them in because that's what the fans want.
And hell, if you look at things good enough, you'd find that fan service is the opposite of what the series needs, every time Kojima has given in to what the fans want, all it's done is drag things down and down and down, fan service was the reason MGS3 had David Hayter play Naked Snake even though it didn't make sense at all when Liquid and Solidus had different voice actors and Hayter wasn't a real fit for the Big Boss character, fan service is the reason MGS4's plot was so bad, fan service was also the reason MGS4 couldn't have the ending Kojima wanted it to have, that and his team pitching a fit over it.
Kojima does his best work when he's left alone to do things how he wants them done, this is his project, he needs to do it how he feels it should be done and if the fans don't like it, so be it, at least he'll know that his last MGS game was made the way he wanted it.
They don't need to explain where Solidus came from, they've already done that, after finding out about the LET project, Big Boss ditches the Patriots and Zero felt they lost their icon, so he had another clone made as a 100% exact copy of Big Boss.
As for why he's the perfect duplicate of Big Boss, that doesn't need to be explained either, Solid and Liquid were made to express his dominant and recessive traits, Solidus was made to have both and be exactly like Big Boss on the genetic level.
And he's not in Liberia until later in the 80's during the Liberian civil wars.
And the odds of there being any time skips are low, aside from MGS2 having a two year skip, and 3 having a one week skip, none of them have went ahead in time at all, and it wouldn't make any sense considering the fact that all the missions can be replayed, and considering the fact that the recent previews have stated that Big Boss's recovery time after waking up from his nine year coma was less than two weeks, odds likely that the story is only going to span over a few months, not several years.
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Aldrius
9 years ago
Just because he hasn't done time skips before doesn't mean he's not going to now (especially given the size of the game). And considering they've shown next to no characters in the promotional material I HEAVILY expect we'll see some other ones. (EVA, Para-medic and Sigint are certainly going to be in the game, probably Solid). They might or might not have Solidus appear in the game.
Solidus has never been explained like that. Literally all we know about him is what the president says about him in MGS2.
I wouldn't rule anything out at this point, and fanservice is not what made MGS4's plot bad, first off, it wasn't that bad, second off, it's just a bit... overwrought. MGS4's plot had a bit too much fanservice and there's a little too much going on, but I wouldn't say that 'fanservice' was the reason for including Hayter. Especially since Akio Ohtsuka still played Naked Snake in MGS3. (And is still playing Snake in MGS5)
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riddlebox1789
9 years ago
Have they given any reason to believe there will be time skips? No they haven't and if the plot was going to span through several years, that's something they'd have talked about.
Size of the game doesn't mean there's going to be time skips, small games can take place during several years and big games can take place in as little as a week or less.
No they are not certainly going to be in the game, that's nothing more than an assumption based on what you want to happen, if they haven't shown any of those characters in any of the trailers so far or talked about them appearing, then odds are they don't appear at all.
Whether or not a character needs to appear is a call only Kojima can make, not the fans.
Literally, some advice, don't use a word you don't know the meaning of, because you literally used it wrong. Using it correctly would be saying. Literally all we know of him is what the president in MGS2 said, and what I just said, because he was explained like that.
Lol, wasn't that bad, really? So why is it that the plot being poor is something that's always brought up when discussing what the game did right and wrong?
So first you say that the fan service wasn't what made the plot bad, then you say it had too much fan service? Make up your mind, fan service is either a good thing or it's a bad thing, and in this case it's a bad thing and the entire plot of MGS4 was nothing but a fan service plot because people wanted answers to questions that Kojima never intended to answer in the first place.
So fan service isn't the reason Hayter was cast as Naked Snake, when one of the main reasons MGS3 exists is because people were pissed that you couldn't play as Snake throughout the entirety of MGS2 so they made Naked Snake as similar to Solid Snake as they possibly could, up to the point where he's practically a carbon copy of Solid and the fact that Liquid and Solidus all had their own voice actors when the only one that should've had the same voice would've been Solidus as he's the only one who's a 100% exact copy? Call it whatever you want but in the world I live in, that's called fan service.
And your point? Did you ever question why Otsuka was the voice actor for all of them? Because he's a quality voice actor that can make all four roles distinctive whereas Hayter cannot, there's no real difference between his Solid Snake and Naked Snake/Big Boss voice.
Hell the guy isn't even really that good of a voice actor to begin with and that's something that's blatantly clear in every MGS game he's in where every other voice actor has always put in a better and more natural performance whereas he's always done a cartoony over exaggerated tough guy voice, all of them are remembered for multiple roles they've done throughout their careers, Hayter? He's pretty much just the guy who voiced Snake, played in the Guyver movie and wrote the first two X-Men movies and wrote a rejected Watchmen screenplay with a lot of his other stuff not even being known unless you actually looked him up.
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Aldrius
9 years ago
I was merely saying it's possible that the story COULD take place over several years. (And we HAVE seen a time skip, with D.D.) It's a very real possibility in the story.
They're not going to reveal every character who's appearing in this game as part of the advertising campaign. No game, particularly no story-driven game does that. That's not a reasonable expectation. Nor does it preclude that there won't be other characters who haven't been advertised. Zero's not really been advertised, we've heard what we can assume is his voice in a trailer, and prior to that we had no inclination that he was in the game.
I'm not saying EVA, Sigint, Para-medic and the rest of the Foxhound unit WILL be in the game, but it`s a very real possibility and I'm pretty sure all the Patriots will be in it. Especially given Para-medic and EVA`s roles in the Les Enfants Terrible project. Which is obviously going to a major theme of the story given the trailers.
I used the word literally properly. Because that is all that was ever said about Solidus. "He's a result of the L.E.T. project" in 2. And then 'He's a perfect clone of Big Boss" in 4. And then some stuff about his history/character in 2, but I mean in regards to his creation.
They replaced Hayter because they wanted to use an on-camera actor to do the motion capture. That's what Kojima said, because I`m guessing Kojima (or more likely Konami) wanted to do the motion capture acting state-side. I`m not really a huge fan of Hayter`s Snake either, but regardless he wasn`t cast in MGS3 just for `fan-service` that was my point, and yeah a part of it was that they wanted Naked Snake to feel as similar to Solid Snake, partly because of `fanservice' and partly because the main character was Big Boss, but they wanted to leave a bit of mystery in that regard.
As for MGS4, in some instances there was too much fan-service, yeah, that's not why MGS4 had story issues. Including Vamp and Raiden and EVA and ZERO wasn't just fanservice. The issue was the story was way too big for one game, too much philosophizing, exposition and not enough actually happening. Things just weren't straight-forward enough.
But bringing back characters from MGS2 and 3 who still had stuff to do wasn't a bad thing, and it was more than just fanservice. And if they bring back Octopus, Raven and Wolf (in addition to Mantis, Ocelot and Liquid who are already pretty much confirmed to be in the game) then I don't think that's a bad thing. Again, no guarantee and I feel way less sure about that than I am Sigint, Grey Fox, EVA and Para-medic being in the game. Just even in side-ops or as quick mention or cameo I'm almost positive they'll be involved.
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darkheroine
9 years ago
Hi Riddlebox,
Fact check.
David's WATCHMEN screenplay was shot and released to the public in 2009. He is the first credited screenwriter and shares that credit with the talented Alex Tse. His screenplay was rejected by no one.
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riddlebox1789
9 years ago
So then explain why Alan Moore said that he was disappointed that they didn't use Hayter's screenplay in the final film? Oh and explain all the other sources that you can find by typing "David Hayter Watchmen screenplay not used." all of which say that his screenplay was not used for the final film.
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darkheroine
9 years ago
Riddlebox, I certainly can't explain how you come by your misinformation. Is IMDb a credible enough source for you?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0409459/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
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riddlebox1789
9 years ago
Considering the fact that it can be edited by anyone and there doesn't have to be a source for it? No, it's not a credible source as far as I'm concerned.
Not that that pages is relevant, of course he'd be credited for the work he did regardless of whether his screenplay was used or not, and maybe you need to actually read the links you post before posting them because that link shows two screenplay writers, not just Hayter.
And like I said, Watchmen's creator himself said that Hayter's screenplay was not used, plenty of other sources that also say his screenplay wasn't used, hell the movie and Hayter's screenplay themselves show that his screenplay wasn't used for the final film.
Are you honestly this dense or are you just in denial?
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darkheroine
9 years ago
Yes, David shares writing credit on WATCHMEN with the very talented Alex Tse.
I'm someone who was there throughout the entire process, who is trying to give you some accurate information.
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