This movie is aimed at car and racing enthusiasts right, so how'd they expect us to swallow this BS?
Pinkman's doing about 50 mph faster than the fastest an F1 racing car goes along the straightaways, in that car he'd be lucky to be doing 130...about what it looked like.
Then later in the film he can barely out run a Crown Victoria
shareMost of the police cars, especially in the Detroit chase, were recent model Dodge Chargers. There was also plenty of traffic he had to contend with.
shareSupposedly one of the fastest cars available and a hotshot driver ... yet ...
1. Can't out run police cars ... several times.
2. Can't escape Redneck Dune buggies.
3. Blazes a trail at full speed across America ... yet his support team keep up with him.
4. Apparently never stops to eat, or picks anything up.
5. Executes a highly suspect 'hot fuelling' move ... then stops later for gas?
6. Doesn't stop to eat, does the gas thing, yet does stop off at a carwash as the car is spotless on arrival in the California Hotel parking area.
7. Monarch states that he will 'Do a few months' for taking part in an illegal road race, yet several cop cars get totaled and burst into flames ... no injuries?
8. Similarly he causes multiple pile ups in his 'Race Across the US' ... and gets away with it ... so all of the other states dropped charges and nobody sued him for damages, whiplashes or wrecked cars?
9. Limped away from an accident in a city centre leaving a wrecked auto in the middle of the road ... what's that .. 'Parking Offense'
10. The cutie taken into hospital with injuries and concussion, yet when the dwarf visits her, she has no monitoring devices attached.
... oh and if you ask total strangers they will get laptops and stuff for you... even if you are in prison.
Other than that ... great movie.
1. Can't out run police cars ... several times.Well one big difference is the fuel being used. On the track the car is likely running on racing grade fuel, where as later on after he is released from prison the first time, the car is running on pump gas. Even premium grade pump fuel isn't going to be close to race grade gas in term of the performance it will yield.
2. Can't escape Redneck Dune buggies.In the scene where they are being chased by the 4x4s, they had cars coming at them from ahead as as on their tail, followed by a pair cement trucks. Also the road was in some sort of canyon like setting and probably not conducive to going super fast on.
3. Blazes a trail at full speed across America ... yet his support team keep up with him.Did you miss the part when "Beauty" diverted south to avoid the police after the fiasco in Detroit? "Beast" stayed on the west bound interstate which was the much shorter route, so it does make sense that "Beast" made it west at roughly the same time.
4. Apparently never stops to eat, or picks anything up.How do you know? You can't expect every single second of a cross country trip like that to have corresponding screen time. Also, they appeared to be well prepared for this trip from the get go and could easily have had food and drinks and other supplies, which would allow for minimal pit stops (fuel, bladder relief, ...)
5. Executes a highly suspect 'hot fuelling' move ... then stops later for gas?They stop to refuel after driving several states south. That tends to use up a lot of fuel...
6. Doesn't stop to eat, does the gas thing, yet does stop off at a carwash as the car is spotless on arrival in the California Hotel parking area.About the eating, please see my response to #4. About the rest, I have the video open in a window as I'm typing this at that scene as they pull up to the hotel in San Francisco and the Mustang is clearly still dusty from it's desert shenanigans. Aside from that the rear window is still shattered and the right tail lights remain broken. Not what I'd call spotless...
7. Monarch states that he will 'Do a few months' for taking part in an illegal road race, yet several cop cars get totaled and burst into flames ... no injuries?Do you honestly think the cops acted all that intelligently in that sequence? Especially the unmanned T-maneuver down the road from a friggin school bus? The sad thing is things like this have gone down in real life and on many occasions bystanders have been put at unnecessary risk such irresponsible officers. (Though I'm not saying there aren't good cops out there, just that there are far too many such questionable ones.)
8. Similarly he causes multiple pile ups in his 'Race Across the US' ... and gets away with it ... so all of the other states dropped charges and nobody sued him for damages, whiplashes or wrecked cars?Maybe for speeding and reckless driving, but I don't recall him actually hitting anyone or really causing others to crash during the cross country drive.
9. Limped away from an accident in a city centre leaving a wrecked auto in the middle of the road ... what's that .. 'Parking Offense'For starters, they got hit by a truck. San Francisco has plenty of traffic cameras which could prove that it was a hit and run and that it was intentional by the truck driver and even what the trucks info was.
oh and if you ask total strangers they will get laptops and stuff for you... even if you are in prison.Some hospitals do have loaners. And the scene in the prison, the guard didn't actually give Benny the iPad, but held it in front of his cell so he could watch, after he managed to convince her. share
1. To run on racing grade fuel takes major alterations and upgrades to the pump, filters, ignition system and carbs, the car is supposedly 'street legal'. Your argument is invalid.
2. Then why were they right on his tail BEFORE the blocking tactics and even moving to overtake him? Your argument is invalid.
3. Then why didn't they take the shorter route? The whole plane/pilot thing was a joke anyway, hijacking planes and helicopters without anyone taking notice or any retribution. Your argument is invalid.
4. For the sake of continuity they could have showed them loading up on vittles or even calling ahead to drive thru's and had a couple of exciting 'close encounters' during pick ups. Your argument whilst it has substance is fairly pointless.
5. That is an observation. Not a valid argument.
6. Then try looking at the car as he exits and runs to the hotel foyer. Your argument whilst half right is half invalid.
7. The drivers caused the crashes NOT the cops therefore they are guilty of endangering other road users, damaging public property, obstructing law enforcement officers in the act of their duties and evading arrest. All carry hefty sentences when taken into consideration together. Your argument is uninformed AND invalid.
8. If as you say you have the movie open in front of you, if you check Tobey causes multiple collisions and extensive damage to other vehicles thereby endangering the lives of other road users. If you need further guidance fast forward then linger over the 'Grasshopper' sequence. Your argument is completely invalid and using the phrase 'I don't recall' after being so certain on other issues shows you are merely responding for the sake of responding.
9. Leaving the scene of an accident, failing to report it, and don't say he was trying to get the girl to hospital quickly. He should have called 911 and waited for the emergency services. Everyone with a lick of sense knows you do not move patients with potential neck or spinal injuries.
Nobody mentioned the truck or the fact that it was deliberate, nobody said it wasn't, nobody argued that the evidence would probably be on camera. Again you have added a comment for the sake of 'adding a comment. Your point is pointless.
10. Communications devices are not allowed in or near ICUs in ANY hospital. Your point is totally invalid.
The guard allowing an accused detainee to use a device to communicate with/watch an event that may feature in the DA's evidence against him is ludicrous. Your point is invalid AND illegal!
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1. To run on racing grade fuel takes major alterations and upgrades to the pump, filters, ignition system and carbs, the car is supposedly 'street legal'. Your argument is invalid.This wasn't an ordinary Mustang from a Ford dealer lot, but rather a highly customized and specially built Mustang that Carol Shelby worked on together with Ford. That definitely lends to the possibility to being able to run on high performance fuels.
2. Then why were they right on his tail BEFORE the blocking tactics and even moving to overtake him? Your argument is invalid.His tail? He wasn't driving in that scene, she was. She might not have wanted to drive too fast on a road like that, not knowing what could come out from curve ahead. And the point about the on-dirt portion very much is valid imho.
3. Then why didn't they take the shorter route? The whole plane/pilot thing was a joke anyway, hijacking planes and helicopters without anyone taking notice or any retribution. Your argument is invalid.I'm beginning to wonder if you've fully watched the movie from start to finish, else you know that reason that Toby diverts southward is because of the cops looking for him on the main interstate. There was even a police chopper ("bear in the air is fangs-out down I-94") looking for them around that direction. Going south instead of west was their best hope for evading them.
4. For the sake of continuity they could have showed them loading up on vittles or even calling ahead to drive thru's and had a couple of exciting 'close encounters' during pick ups. Your argument whilst it has substance is fairly pointless.The film is over two hours long (2:12) as it is, so while having such scenes would have been nice, it might have made film that much longer (albeit not necessarily a bad thing if done well.)
5. That is an observation.No it's not, it's based on plenty of driving experience between states. Driving from Detroit to the Nebraska is going to be at least a 500 mile trek, probably more considering they were sticking to side routes. We also don't know how much fuel "Beast" actually on board, so they didn't necessarily get a full, we only know that they got enough to drive to Nebraska.
6. Then try looking at the car as he exits and runs to the hotel foyer. Your argument whilst half right is half invalid.I've watched the scene in question but I'm just not seeing any where that the Mustang looks pristine. Could you give a time code?
7. The drivers caused the crashes NOT the cops therefore they are guilty of endangering other road users, damaging public property, obstructing law enforcement officers in the act of their duties and evading arrest. All carry hefty sentences when taken into consideration together.While the drivers in many parts were indeed responsible for causing collisions, there were many parts where the cops also caused unnecessary risk as well. Such as the officer who sets up his car to go off on it's own, in an area where a school bus was traveling not far behind, was HUGELY irresponsible of the them. In other words there was reckless endangerment on both sides.
8. If as you say you have the movie open in front of you, if you check Tobey causes multiple collisions and extensive damage to other vehicles thereby endangering the lives of other road users.Could you please point out where exactly other cars actually crashed and collided with something (and not just swerved to the side)? I don't actually doubt you, and frankly this is often the case many Hollywood car chases, especially in car centric films like this (not that it excuses it.) I'll re-watch those parts later on when I get home, but if you happen to know where exactly they take place, that'd be appreciated.
9. Leaving the scene of an accident, failing to report it, and don't say he was trying to get the girl to hospital quickly. He should have called 911 and waited for the emergency services.Normally, yes, he should have reported it right away. The problem is, he was wanted by police and no one in that situation is going to want to attract the police. And yes, it's quite obvious that Julia might have been hurt as she had trouble staying conscious, so of course he would have wanted to get her to a hospital as soon as possible, rather than wait for an ambulance.
10. Communications devices are not allowed in or near ICUs in ANY hospital.I might be wrong, but that didn't really look like the ICU (only going by any ICU I've seen before), but rather a normal room where one recovers in after treatment/surgery. I know for a fact one can have laptops, phones, or tablets there.
The guard allowing an accused detainee to use a device to communicate with/watch an event that may feature in the DA's evidence against him is ludicrous.On screen we only see Benny in a military jail cell, and nothing ever seems to be mentioned about the civilian police wanting him that I recall, so how would the guard have know anything about any possible civilian charges (if any) against him? share
1. To run on racing grade fuel takes major alterations and upgrades to the pump, filters, ignition system and carbs, the car is supposedly 'street legal'. Your argument is invalid.
actually most modern cars can run on high octane fuel with just a simple computer tune. the ethanol that some stations sell is pretty much the same thing. for the past 10 years cars have been flex fuel capable. there is not any major alterations to the fuel pump, filter, ignition seeing its a cleaner fuel. however they do have a harder valve seats, valves and piston rings than one that isnt capable which all flex fuel cars do. The last carb car was built in a 1990 and it was a 307 olds powered station wagons idk why this is even brought up.
10. Communications devices are not allowed in or near ICUs in ANY hospital. Your point is totally invalid.
ive texted numerous times from a icu once while i was in even. i may not supposed to be in there but ive never seen anyone actually make a big deal about it.
Racing fuel is not, nevermind. Please go put 110Octane racing fuel in your car. Please, fill it up, and drive.
share1. To run on racing grade fuel takes major alterations and upgrades to the pump, filters, ignition system and carbs, the car is supposedly 'street legal'. Your argument is invalid.
^---- you obviously have no idea how modern cars work. there are no carbs, everything is FI and computer controlled. Sure you may need a larger pump and larger fuel injectors to run excessive boost, but thats a completely different story
I read your first paragraph and I would like to say STFU! Running race gas or not, a 4000 lbs Mustang with 900 hp is NOT going to do 230+ on a circuit race track. When you're at the speed of 230, a difference of 100 or so horsepower is nothing that you get on premium or race fuel. The air is as thick as whip cream at that speed. It's all about aerodynamics and weight at that point. A LaFerrari makes more HP than a P1, yet the P1 is faster in the 1/4, why? It's not the *beep* fuel, it's the aerodynamics.
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Ok I'll conceed that 230 mph was a little reaching, but did they actually say how much that Mustang actually weighed in the movie?
My take away that everything that I do remember said about it, like that it was a very special one that Shelby and Ford were working on together, is that is wasn't just a modded run of the mill Mustang but one that was very special built, with a unique engine/drive-train, being significantly lighter, and it even looked a bit more aerodynamic than a stock Mustang of which this one's body style was derived from. Hell, even the lack of side mirrors means a little less drag too.
So I can at least believe that this one would be a lot faster (and even more so on higher octane fuel) than any streetable Mustang that came before it (save for maybe the Mach III concept though I don't know any stats off hand for it.)
1. Can't out run police cars ... several times.
This is one of the greatest posts of all time. Yet idiots will still try to fight it.
This movie sucks. It's just BAD. Why people can't accept it I will never know.
The kid talking to the English chick said roughly around 900 hp.
shareI found this on a technical website:
" Race cars capable of going 200 mph usually have at least 650 hp, about 350 of which goes into overcoming air resistance. It is probably possible to go 200 mph with a car in the 450-500 hp range, but such a car would have very good aerodynamics; expensive, low-friction internal parts; and low rolling resistance tyres, which are designed to have the smallest possible contact patch like high performance bicycle tyres, and are therefore not good for handling. "
I found this at another site:
" Bugatti stunned the entire world in 2005 by releasing the Veyron , its first production vehicle in 10 years. At first it was powered by a quad-turbocharged, 8.0-liter, W-16 engine rated at 987 horsepower, which was later uprated to deliver 1,183 ponies. It is mostly know for being the fastest street-legal production car in the world, with a record sitting at 267.856 mph. "
So, could the Mustang in this movie go 234 MPH? Yes, if it was capable of making well over 650 HP.
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Sure but the difference is that top speed is tested on a ruler-straight length of track that stretch for 9km, not a race track.
The Bugatti takes about 5 minutes to get to top speed and covers most of the 9km doing so. Take a look at the Bugatti run on youtube and see what 230mph looks like. I'm not joking when I say in the movie the car was probably doing 130.
It's just ludicrous to think that this car with a teetering centre of gravity can get to those speeds on a racetrack with short straightaways.
Unlikely, maybe. But don't say it isn't possible. Look at top fuel drag racers, they get over 200 mph in 1/4 mile. That is just short of 400 meters. Who knows what a souped-up Shelby Cobra could do with the right fuel!
But all that is irrelevant, it is only a movie, it is all fiction anyway, so no one really thinks that car we see in the movie is going 236 mph on that track. We also don't believe Doc Brown's Delorean could travel back in time, but those sorts of things make movies interesting!
TxMike
Make a choice, to take a chance, to make a difference.
The Bugatti takes about 5 minutes to get to top speed and covers most of the 9km doing so.
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It was 234mph.. not that that makes it more realistic...
shareThe horsepower has nothing to do with it. There is no way a mustang with *beep* aerodynamics can get to those speeds on that length of track. Not. Physically. Possible.
shareTrue, a Mustang is far too "box-shaped" creating massive resistance no matter what you do under the hood without some supersonic engine from a jet.
sharewith modified engine of 900 hp that can make 230 mph
look to bugatti vyron can do 267 mph with 1001 hp
look to bugatti vyron can do 267 mph with 1001 hp
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shareMore like someone is trying to write a movie about racing cars, without understanding the concept of friction.
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shareVia adopting a realism fetish?
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I thought they were talking about 236 kph instead... cause there is no way on Earth any car can reach that speed on a race track... especially not a rather tight one as shown.
shareWell there is the Le Mans track where 400Km/h speeds were possible in the past, until they changed the layout and the rules, and continue to change them regularly to limit speeds, otherwise I'm sure even more than 400Km/h would be possible by now. Thanks to a very long straight, and race cars with lots of power and great aerodynamics.
A Mustang couldn't do it without a lot of streamlining bodywork and/or a rocket engine on the ass !