Does the Stripper Die, How?
Good Movie.
Does the Stripper Die, How?
All one hears is someone offering their condolences to her father.
Was it an Drug O.D.?
How is the viewer suppose to assume this?
From what I got from it, she died of some debilitating illness. She said she spends all of her money on "curing" herself. This may be some type of underground drug that cures her or something along the lines of chemotherapy although she wouldn't look as good as she did if she was on it.
At first I thought "curing" meant some type of plastic surgery since the film is mostly about the internal struggle of aging and clashing against it throughout the last half of one's life. However, we then are told that she past away, signifying that "cure" was literal and not figuratively coinciding with the thesis of the film.
I don't think it had anything to do with illicit drugs since her father mentioned earlier that she does not care for them otherwise "They would actually have something in common."
Let me know if this helps
Best,
Lucas M.
May I help? There are no doubts in Italian: "spendo tutti i miei soldi per curarmi" means she spends all her money on curing herself, chemo probably.
E'sempre nuda o mezza nuda e di sicuro non è chemio. Io avevo pensato che parlasse di un problema psicologico e che si fosse suicidata ma non sembra nemmeno quello...
'What has been affirmed without proof can also be denied without proof.' (Euclid)
Qualcuno ha parlato di un problema cardiaco che potrebbe spiegare la morte subitanea e la soluzione mi piace, anche per come appare in scena. Meglio tornare all'inglese, perché temo non apprezzino l'uso di altre lingue! saluti, è sempre bello poter scambiare un'idea in italiano
shareMaybe not! Curing could mean ending a terrestial torment. The cure would be something that would just end up killing her at an early age-powerful sedatives most likely.
shareAIDS- it explains why she is a "sophisticated stripper" now and leaves the sex to the Poles (and why her father is concerned about where her money goes of all things!), as well as why she and Jeb don't make love, but spend the night loving.
Perhaps she chooses to end her life after experiencing all Jeb offers her: the society, art, beauty, and even depth, instead of going back to her squalid life and fighting a debilitating disease that is a death sentence, but suicide is not particularly obvious, nor is the time-frame of her death.
Also, with Dallas Buyers Club coming out in 2013 too, showing sex workers spending all their money to cure themselves, it seems to be a current theme.
I was confused by the promised showing of the "Sea Monster" however. Any ideas?
In Italy AIDS drugs are passed by the state, one doesn't need to spend a lot of money to get them, the state does.
BAD CGI RUINS MOVIES!!!
Yeah, but if it's provided by the State, it's probably very ineffective and doesn't really do anything to help you. You would probably need to spend even more money to get appropriate drugs smuggled in from America to harness the power of the free market.
shareAre you joking? Please tell me that's a joke. Please tell you don't actually believe that.
shareI will say I am pretty certain this person is NOT joking. One political party here in the US has convinced its people that all things government from the state are bad, terrible, awful etc. Which makes little to no sense ... as they themselves are politicians benefiting from the state; but their main priority is to convince people "the state" is bad so that they will instead embrace their crony friends who own businesses offering up the same thing. They want to make money off of people instead.
Why offer up something free when they can make money off of it?
These people are delusional and hop at the bidding of those with billion's of dollars as they are apparently completely unaware that they are doing this to make those few people even more money.
The "state" has been labeled as socialistic and bad ... because they believe nothing should be free or provided to its citizens.
It is a shame.
ROFL the drugs that are passed are exactly the same you get in the USA. From the same companies.
share1) The "Sea Monster" is the beached ship, the Concordia. Jep's editor has been after him to do a story on it for a year, but he hasn't. Now that he has met Ramona, he has changed his mind, and is eager to see it with her. Part of his reluctance, of course, is that he associates the sea with his lost Elisa; that he is willing to take Ramona there indicates that he is in love with her (as I believe he more or less admits, as he talks about love with her in the abstract).
After he finds Ramona dead in his bed, he fantasizes (probably at some later point in time) that he had successfully awakened her, and that she was able to see the sea on his ceiling, as he does when he thinks back to Elisa. If you remember the scene where he was telling Ramona the Elisa story, he has so much difficulty completing it that Ramona leaves without hearing what Elisa said to him ("I want to show you something"). So this fantasy, I think, is his wish that Ramona might be the first person to understand what Elisa meant to him. He was probably hoping to finish telling her the story if she had lived to go with him to the Concordia, since he would likely explain that his editor had been after him to do the story, which would mean explaining his reluctance.
Of course, in reality, he is just as likely to have been unable to do any of the explaining. It's an irony that this challenge to his ability to share the meaning of the story never becomes real. And this ties in with the fact that Elisa's diary, which may hold the answer to the question that haunts him -- why she left him if she still loved him -- has been burned. Why Elisa left hm, and whether Ramona could have filled that void -- both of these are unknowable.
It strikes me now that the different roles of meaning and beauty in our lives is one of the film's great themes.
2) It's a reference to La Dolce Vita, which ends with the characters visiting a literal beached sea monster.
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Simply fascinating explanation. Thanks for sharing
shareI want to thank you very much, emvan, for sharing your insight into Ramona's death. I rewatched that scene, and related sequences, and not only agree with your interpretation, but found the situation even more moving than before - which in turn made the rest of the film more affecting. Your post really contributed to my experience and appreciation of this film, which I think is a masterpiece, a term I rarely use.
Some details on revisiting the scene: After Jep asks Ramona if she sees the sea on the ceiling, she looks up and there is a soft sound of gulls and she says she can see it. Then she closes her eyes. Next we see above - naturally assuming this is from her POV - but this time we there isn't an image of the sea, only the blank white ceiling in a panning shot. Then we cut to a close, still shot of Ramona's bare foot, with the open window in the middle ground, the window itself and drapes moved by a breeze, with the ruins of the Coliseum in the distance.
The next scene is slow-mo, reflecting Jep's acute sensitivity to the moment which slows time and draws out the sharp experience as he reacts to smoke shop/cafe patrons who look to him with sympathy. He clearly feels self-conscious singled out due to their knowledge of his loss. A song plays (Damien Jurado, "Everything Trying") with the chorus "I'll be sailing on your deep blue eyes." A barman gives him a look as he walks past, stretched by the slo-mo/Jep's consciousness. He smiles to see a couple being silly together, then a man turns from the TV to look at him sympathetically. Jep's heading to the bathroom, but a woman reaches out and takes his hand and looks up at him with a sympathetic look. He is stunned by this, emotion rises in him, and he smiles with what I took to be gratitude. He withdraws his hand and instead of continuing to the bathroom, he turns to leave. But he's stopped when the woman says "Who's going to look after you now?"
Then we see the mother of the disturbed son sitting in an enormous dining room at the end of a long table, with a dog at her side and a waiter standing ready to serve. Her son was last seen in driving at night, pressing down the accelerator and closing his eyes. So the implication in the context of Jep's loss and the cafe woman's question is that he killed himself, leaving his mother all alone. Then there is Ramona's grieving father receiving a condolence, and a photographer snaps a shot outside his bar, probably from a tabloid.
Then we are with Jep on the cliffs above the beached ship.
Thanks hugely for that great shot-by-shot rundown. I had missed the details of the song, which is a great insight.
A masterpiece it is. In fact, I believe it is the movie that has most deepened on repeat viewings of any I've ever seen. On my list of all-time favorite movies, it went from roughly 60th, to 30th, to 15th. That basically never happens.
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