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I'm just not feeling this documentary...


I’m young. I’m gay. I’ve been madly in love.

I don’t see how BRIDEGROOM is receiving more media attention than most gay documentaries who have exposed harsher realities for our gay brothers and sisters around the world.

Silverlake Life: The View From Here (1993)
Paragraph 175 (2000)
Saint of 9/11 (2006)
Transgeneration (2005)
Edie & Thea: A Very Long Engagement (2009)
8: The Mormon Proposition (2010)
Stonewall Uprising (2010)
We Were Here (2011)
Vito (2011)
How to Survive a Plague (2012)

Although Shane has lost the love of his life and struggled to make sense of it, he still has his youth. He is healthy and physically attractive. He has a fantastic community that loves and supports him. He has a fairly large internet following who supports him. He has a family that can financially and emotionally support him. Most importantly, he is alive.

Compared other gays and lesbians who have seen the face of death during the AIDS crisis, who are socially alienated in many parts of globe, who live in hiding, who do not have a family or a community that supports them, those who are financially destitute, who are tortured, who are executed, who's spirits are trampled on day after day, those who have NOTHING.

Things I didn’t like is when he, on multiple occasions, confesses his feelings on camera in extreme close-up and then cries. I thought that was strange. I didn’t like the fact that he used marriage to point out how none of the negative aftermath he experienced would have happened if they were married. I didn’t see anything about them trying to get married or at least attempting. I didn’t see significant fight in him. He just came across as helpless and melancholy. His strength comes mostly from his supporters and those who empathize with him. I see others like Vito, or Edie, or Harvey, or countless AIDS activists who have fought blood, sweat, and tears and have made huge sacrifices for the LGBT cause. I don’t see Shane as one of these people.

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Agreed.

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I haven't seen Bridegroom, but I just wanted to take a minute to thank you for posting some alternatives. (And at quick glance, Saint of 9/11, We Were Here, and How to Survive a Plague are all streaming on Netflix.)

~ Louisville resident. My "Seen" movies: http://www.imdb.com/list/v16qhalihQY/

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I agree as well.

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Just because a movie isn't as deep and cutthroat as others, it doesn't mean it shouldn't be made. This documentary is valid and it's a damn good one to show skeptical kids everywhere that gay love is real and out there, just waiting for the right opportunity.

What really irritates me is that some gay people - you included - seem to think that there's a passing line every gay film needs to get through. It's as if something has to be incredibly meaningful, heartfelt and tough for it to be valid. As if incredibly painful life experiences such as Shane's were to be considered silly or futile just because other people suffered more. You even went far enough to put Shane's feelings into question. It is not your place to do that. It really isn't.

Buddy, I gotta tell you: that's not how cinema works. Movies are made to tell stories, tough of not. TLA has already published tons of gay romantic comedies, and they don't lose their validity because of anything. Promiscuity, femininity, shallowness, stereotypes, all of those things... They're part of us and they're okay. We don't have to bicker at every single gay movie because it's not ~representing us~. And no movie needs to necessarily show us a hero.

I suggest you chill out and appreciate the movie for what it is. No one in it was Harvey Milk of Vito Russo, just a regular young couple that went through stuff they shouldn't go through.

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AMEN!

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To show them "gay normative love" exists you mean, that you can't even say or show other people that you are in love (in private pictures maybe), just knock on wood and stuff and get married and then you're ALMOST like everyone.

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I've been married to my husband for six years, and we've been together for sixteen. But we're still not comfortable being very demonstrative in public. We keep the "honeys" to a minimum when we're at the grocery, or even at straight friends' and families' houses. Next to no touching or smooching unless we're alone. And we're entirely out, not closeted to anyone. I don't think it's unusual to feel that way, though it would be nice if we didn't have to give it a second thought.

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Well said, it doesn't always have to be angst ridden, although sadly in this situation it has involved a tragedy.
This is a beautiful film which is, at the heart of it, about love and hopefully that's what people should think on when they watch it.

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I'm not a gay man but I do support gay people and I have gay friends. What I liked about this documentary more than the others ones that have been mentioned and others that I've seen, is that this documentary cast a very beautiful light on this gay couple. it showed two very normal looking and acting kids, trying to make a life of their own in CA. They had loving friends that supported them. They traveled together and even though I didn't know them at all, through this documentary, I can actually feel the love that they had for each other. It's very rare to see this in real life, even more on a television program. I got emotional when they were talking about Tom's death and how not only the friends and family felt but how devastated Shane was.

Yes, he's young, good looking and has a lot of support. That's not the point of this documentary, the point is losing someone that was your true love. If this documentary alone could make people see and feel the love that they had for each other was real, then its hard not to believe that it was in real life. Its so sad that they had so many plans and they were both in such a great path to continue to help each other grow and beautiful people, and all of that ended over a fall from a building. It's just so devastating.

When I began watching this documentary, i thought that Tom had committed suicide. I thought "oh, another case of a 'gay' death" but it shocked me that he died in such a normal way, a fall that was not intended to happen. He was happy, he was texting his partner, he was with a friend taking pictures, doing a very normal thing in a day of his life and what a tragedy that he passed away.

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I'm not a gay man, either...but I strongly support gay rights and marriage equality. I have gay friends. I have a number of gay relatives as well, on both sides of my family, which is pretty large.

I just found out about this film a month ago, while attending another film at a local church. The same church showed this film last night. Their flier about Bridegroom mentioned " a relationship cut tragically short by a misstep off the side of a roof."

So I mistakenly assumed this was going to be about an older committed, middle-class or blue-collar gay male couple--who were possibly restoring a house together. And one falls off the roof while doing so. Leading to a huge legal mess after his sudden death.

Wrong. So very wrong...

That possible scenario hit very close to home--mostly because a relative of mine also lost a long-time partner in a tragic and horrible way (more about that later). So I knew I had to see this showing. It was very hard to watch, for a number of reasons.

While it was very important to see the backstory, and life histories of both Tom and Shane, I found Shane's "video diary" a bit much. Setting up a camera to watch oneself grieve and cry? Do people really DO that? A blog is one thing, but...

Maybe that's a generational thing...I'll admit to being the same age as Tom's father. I found that stuff to be a bit unsettling (I neither text nor tweet, and I don't take a lot of pix and I don't like the whole idea of "selfies"...maybe that has something to do with it).

Shane's dialogue in those videos was incoherent, of course, and it made me feel voyeuristic and more than a little uneasy, as though I was intruding on his sorrow. And it was done not once, but a number of times.

The whole idea of a "video diary" seems a bit much...who films a speedometer when you're doing 105? I know Montana allows high-speed driving...but still...

And was he intending to make a documentary about being from Montana and gay (and being bullied) all along? Why were his videos from his high school years included? It's almost like he intended to make a film at some future point. Or is he just a tad narcissistic?

They were young and in love. Very much. Okay. I get that. Been there. Done that. That was obvious from the beginning, which made the ending (and what you knew was coming) even worse.

But by far the biggest turn-off, for quite a stretch of this film, was the way they were shown to be "pretty" SoCal people...and how much they were (obviously) so affluent (being in "The Industry"). Up and coming in Hollywood. As a Midwestern, downscale Boomer, I found that hard to identify with, in any substantial way. That's another planet to me.

So I didn't need to watch a travelogue and documentation of their trips. Yes, I get how it's nice to be twentysomething and text from planes and to be able to afford to fly all over the planet and to pose in front of the Sphinx and the Pyramids and the Eiffel Tower. But that wasn't what I came to see.

There was a little too much of "Alex" in this film. She was indirectly responsible for Tom's accidental death. I found myself blaming her for it, and found it hard to sympathize with her after a short time.

To camp it up and to shoot images just to make someone else jealous on Facebook? Is that the reason why they were up there? Seriously? What a senseless waste. What a tragic ending to a promising life and career. For what?

And as insulting as it might sound, subtitles should have been used when she spoke. If subtitles can be used for people with "foreign" (or even UK English) accents...why not in this case? A lot of what she said was unintelligible.

Certainly that is NOT her fault, but her problem still made it difficult to understand her. And she was, after all, a key figure in this tragic story.

But enough about the negatives. There were so many more positives that were shown. The obvious love Tom and Shane had. They were truly soulmates. The support of Shane's family was a joy to watch. The way Shane took the moral high road when showing Tom's parents' homophobia (and his mother's back-stabbing behavior after her son's death) was truly admirable.

Shane merely stated the facts of this awful tale, instead of further demonizing Tom's father. If pulling a shotgun when your son comes out, threatening to stalk and to "slice up" his partner (a crime, by the way), and conspiring to kill that partner at his own son's funeral is "Midwestern normalcy"...then Jeffrey Dahmer was just a celebrity chef.

I felt I had to see this film, and I am so glad I did. My dear cousin lost her partner of fifteen years to some skank who couldn't stop texting long enough to avoid smashing her while driving through a Miami crosswalk.

It took my cousin's partner a number of days to die. My cousin was not allowed to see her partner. Nor was she able to make any decisions regarding the outcome.

Worse still, the vitim's brother, a Catholic priest, took charge (that collar still carries a lot of clout in hospitals, folks) and kept her on life support and then arranged to have the remains shipped all the way to Maine for a funeral.

Fortunately, the deceased's family was very supportive of my cousin. They were there for her when she arrived. They did not even threaten to kill her. Imagine that!

Love and marriage are not straight things. Or gay things. They are universally human. One does not choose, at a certain age, to be of either orientation. It is destined from birth. We are who we are. And we love...and should be allowed to wed...those whom we choose to love.

Thus, I am already very strongly behind marriage equality and I am willing to do whatever it takes, by any means necessary. But this film did make me shed tears. So I guess it served its purpose.

I hope to hell it affects those on the fence, as well as more than a few homophobes, as much as it affected me.



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"Things I didn’t like is when he, on multiple occasions, confesses his feelings on camera in extreme close-up and then cries. I thought that was strange."

If you are as you say "young", don't you know what a vlog is and ever encounter one from Youtube ? strange.

I don't see what's strange in crying on camera.

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WHY do people in distress make videos like that? Because they CAN!

Today's technology has made it possible.

But that doesn't necessarily mean they SHOULD!



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It's not really different that keeping a diary, something people have been doing for untold centuries and something physiologists still suggest might be helpful particularly for people in distress. In fact if anything, videoing instead of writing would be easier and probably more genuine. I don't understand why people would find it strange or narcissistic (as other posters have suggested). More to the point of your response though... why shouldn't someone film such things?

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