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A response

posted 9 years ago by ReformedChristian
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I found Bridegroom to be a very heartbreaking and sad documentary. A lot of people lost someone really close to them. What a tragedy.
And then Shane wasn't allowed to say good-bye but was threatened if he showed up at the funeral? How could anyone do that to someone? The family could have taken the opportunity to reach out to Shane but instead they shut him out. It shows how cruel, thoughtless, and unloving they were.

That being said, I wanted to respond to some comments made in the film.

Film quote: “They didn’t accept people who were different.” –Shane’s mom
Many pro-homosexuals make that argument when Christians (like me) call homosexuality a sin. It's not that the person is different or unknown to us, it's that we value the Word of God and the wisdom of the one Who created all things for His purpose.
I was once bi-curious but then I got saved and turned away from homosexual thoughts. I am against homosexuality for Biblical reasons. God created us with the natural desire to love someone of the opposite sex, not the same sex. But sin has distorted this desire in some so that they desire someone of the same sex.
It is unfair and incorrect to say that those who oppose homosexuality, do it solely on the base of fear or ignorance. There are other reasons. Reasons apart from fear or ignorance.

Film quote: “…and the line about Tom making his way up to the golden doors as an answer to the fundamentalists Christians out there who may believe that gay people won’t go to Heaven. And to that I would say, ‘Really? Tom, the coir-singing, trophy-winning, all-American boy who listed ‘God’ as his hero on his Myspace page, really in Hell? I don’t think so. If Tom didn't go to Heaven, then nobody’s going to Heaven.”

Problem one: What does coir-singing have to do with getting into Heaven? Who believes it is a requirement or an attribute that would get someone into Heaven?
Problem two: What does trophy-winning have to do with getting into Heaven?
Problem three: What does being 'all-American' have to do with getting into Heaven?
Problem four: What does listing God as his hero have to do with getting into Heaven?

What is being implied behind the statements is that Tom was a good person that deserved to go to Heaven. Since he said God was his hero, he must have loved God, right? Surely Tom was worthy of Heaven.
Really? Jesus says in Matthew 7 that not everybody who comes to Him, calling Him 'Lord' will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. Why? Didn't they do many great things in His name and appear to love Him and have a passion for Him? But they were trusting in their own righteousness to gain favor with God. We are saved by grace though faith in Christ. It is a gift, not something in or of ourselves.
Heaven is not for the righteous or the unrighteous. Heaven is for the forgiven and redeemed. Unless Tom repented of his sins and believed the Good News that Christ died to pay the penalty for our sins, then he is not in Heaven.

“He had no darkness whatsoever in him. He was the uber positive one.” – friend
All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. All have been born in sin with a sinful nature. All are in need of a Savior to restore them to a right relationship with God. All need to repent and believe the Gospel.

“I don’t think God would purposely set us up to live a life of just constantly fighting the urge to be who we are. I really don’t want to believe that.” – Shane
God created mankind perfect. But when Adam sinned in the beginning, we were all condemned in him because he was our head representative. We inherited a corrupt nature that was inclined toward sin and we all need a Savior to save us from the guilt and penalty of sin.
But just as everyone who was in Adam was condemned by him, everyone who is in Christ will be forgiven in Him. The actions of Adam condemns us, but the actions of Christ can save us.
Sin distorted the image of God in us so that we desire things that God did not create us to desire, but God can forgive us and make us perfect one day in Heaven.

“I just wish that all of us humans would understand that we are all the same.”
Yes, we are all the same. We were all born with a sinful nature inclined towards sin. That’s why we all need a Savior who atoned for our sins. We all must be born again, repenting of our sins and believing the Gospel.

[–] stefanheikel 9 years ago

I'm sorry, but you are indeed full of fear and ignorance, and it has resulted in so much discrimination and hardship for a large segment of society. Thankfully any influence you wield is fading as time marches on.

[–] ReformedChristian 9 years ago

A healthy fear of God, yes. Ignorance? No.
'Large segment of society'? No, homosexuals are a very minor minority. A very small amount of people. Most people are straight.
Yes, the world is slipping into greater and greater darkness and more are turning from the truth. But that doesn't change truth or the fact that people will be punished for their rebellion and their support of sin. Anyone who engages in homosexuality and anyone who supports homosexuality will go to Hell if they do not repent of all their sins. Christ is your only hope. He died on the cross to atone for sin so that we could be reconciled to God. All those who repent of their sins and believe the Gospel will be saved.

[–] shrugs 9 years ago

Why do you call your fear of God "healthy"?

And you point out that most people are straight as if you're somehow contradicting the posters point, but the poster didn't say most people, he said a large number of people, which is true. Nonetheless even if it was just one person who's life you were making miserable, I don't understand how you think that's OK. Whether it was most people or just a large portion, or even a tiny handful, it really shouldn't make it OK.

There really is no credible reason to believe anything in the later half of your post over any other religion or superstition. If Tom were to suffer in eternity whilst his dad is "saved" and goes to paradise, then God is evil and unjust and no one worshiping such a creature has any business claiming to serve the greater good, or Love, or anything positive at all. You worship an evil tyrannical monster out of fear, and I don't think there's anything healthy about it.

What if a squirrel wants a sausage?

[–] ReformedChristian 8 years ago

Why do you call your fear of God "healthy"?

For the same reason I would call it a healthy fear to fear a mac truck about to run you over. Wisdom means staying out of its way if you value your life. Wisdom means not being on God's bad side if you value your soul.

Nonetheless even if it was just one person who's life you were making miserable, I don't understand how you think that's OK.

That's a deceptive statement. I'm not making their life miserable. Nice try though. People get upset (and maybe miserable) when you tell them that their sin is wrong. But that's not the guilt of the one trying to warn them about the consequences of their actions, that's on the part of the one who desires to commit the evil that they should not. You are placing blame on the wrong person.
I have no interest in making their life miserable. My only interest is preaching the truth in hopes that they would get saved. Sin makes people miserable though. If not all the time, eventually and frequently.

If Tom were to suffer in eternity whilst his dad is "saved" and goes to paradise,

Tom's dad is a godless man who is acting contrary to Christianity, not according to it. God does not justify their bad behavior. I would never treat someone like that. The Bible teaches that many profess to be Christians but are false. Tom's dad is almost certainly lost, too, being a false convert on his way to Hell as well. It is the one who repents of their sins and believes the Gospel that is saved, not the one who makes a mere profession of faith and acts contrary to their profession of faith.

You worship an evil tyrannical monster out of fear, and I don't think there's anything healthy about it.

The lost and rebellious love to judge God and condemn Him but don't you know that you are the one who is condemned justly? God is innocent on all accounts. He's never done anything unjust. You judge Him wrongly because it benefits your sinful self, not because you have any true sense of justice. If you condemn God, you can feel better about yourself. Foolishness. God is your only hope. God the Father sent Jesus Christ to die on the cross to atone for the sins of His people so that they would be saved and reconciled to Him. He offers this reconciliation to all those who will repent and believe the Gospel. It's foolish to choose your sin over reconciliation to a pure, perfect God who is Love.
And, no, it's not out of fear. I have a healthy reverence for the all-powerful, all-knowing God of the universe but I know that I am fully forgiven and reconciled to Him so that I will never face His wrath. Only His discipline as a loving Father but never His wrath. I worship and obey Him out of love, not fear.

[–] jpk-684-173069 8 years ago

Anyone who engages in homosexuality and anyone who supports homosexuality will go to Hell if they do not repent of all their sins. Christ is your only hope. He died on the cross to atone for sin so that we could be reconciled to God. All those who repent of their sins and believe the Gospel will be saved.

… anyone who supports homosexuality will go to hell ??

So Shane's family and friends will also go to hell and join Tom if they do not repent ?

Where is the line crossed as far as "supporting" homosexuality ?

You say Tom's family should have allowed Shane to attend the funeral and shutting him out was "cruel, thoughtless, and unloving."

Didn't Tom's mom in some way "support" their relationship by visiting them and getting to know and understand Shane and Tom's relationship, having meals and good times together ? Does Tom's mom need to repent for these actions ?

[–] mycellardoor24 9 years ago

Beautifully put, stefanheikel. Well done.

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[–] Spacer1 9 years ago

This is passive aggressive behavior at its worst. The calling card of the dubious people of faith. Sorry, ancient religious beliefs are not a free pass to avoid being called what you are, and that's a bigot. As it's been mentioned, fortunately the only place it's generally acceptable to be that now is anonymously here online in the shadows behind a fake name.

[–] bardmore 9 years ago

These so-called apostles of faith and self-proclaimed righteousness are supreme hypocrites. Obviously they do not understand Christ's declaration Ïn my Father's house are many mansions", or that all are welcome at his table. It's 2015 --- time for you truly deaf, dumb, and blind jerks to get off your high judgmental horse and respect everyone for who they are, and not condemn them for not being who you want them to be. Obviously you fear the truth, possibly about yourselves.

[–] stefanheikel 9 years ago

Exactly. Most Christian extremists have deep seated insecurities when you dig beneath the surface.

[–] FeloniousMunk 9 years ago

You ain't nothing but a Bible-thumping douchebag...and you're on the wrong side of history.
Your side lost. Get over it.

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[–] ReformedChristian 8 years ago

Read Revelation. God wins.

Unless you repent of your sins and believe the Gospel, you'll be on the side that loses. Christ died to reconcile His people to God. It's foolishness to choose sin and rebellion over God who died for His people.

[–] brightwhitehorses 9 years ago

I think it would help for you to have some perspective as to why what you are saying is so offensive.

Imagine a Muslim explaining to a Christian why they are sinners and going to Hell in great detail, then being surprised that you are insulted.

Why are you explaining that God says it's a sin? Everyone knows that, it doesn't make what you are saying less awful. Many people (including myself) don't appreciate someone preaching on this board 'why' it's a sin. You can believe that, but you speak like this is fact.

It's not fact. It's your belief, and a pretty silly one at that.

[–] ReformedChristian 8 years ago

People don't like to be told that they are sinners because they want to believe that they are good even though they aren't. That's why people are offended. I already know that I stand condemned under the moral law but I am forgiven in Christ. So if someone says something is a sin, I already know it is or I know they are lying depending on if the Bible declares it to be a sin.

No, it's not silly. Believing God is never silly. Disbelieving Him is foolish. Jesus Christ is your only hope. If you reject Him, you have no other means of salvation and will go to Hell. Repent of your sins and believe the Gospel.

[–] anticaria 8 years ago

yet another clueless thread started by a closeted, so-called 'saved,' self-hatin' buybull-thumper who likely owns multiple accounts at every single porn site on the net.. 

deformedchristian, nobody here is interested in reading your guilt-ridden, self-hating rants.. just so you know..

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