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Sorry but Steve Jobs was just a silly idiot


I don't understand why Steve Job has so many fans. Yes the guy works hard and has vision. yes he is cruel and competitive. But he didn't do anything particularly impressive.

In fact, it is due to his silly idea for a redundant set of devices that now the world is lumbered with a huge quantity of wasteful phone and media devices, none of which do anything better than their previous generation. Far worse, they added nothing except cosmetic egotistical glamour to the world, resulting in massive global climate change which will doom humanity to a cruel and hard future for the next several centuries.

Is that really a mark of a good man? No, and that is why Steve Jobs and his supporters to me, are a silly idiots.

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Really? I'm sure your comment will mainly result in others finding you a "silly idiot". I'm not a fan of Apple products either, but the simple fact that they ARE everywhere is unbelievable. Jobs is pretty much singlehandedly responsible for truning a failing company around to the point where they are now leaders in several market segments.

"In fact, it is due to his silly idea for a redundant set of devices that now the world is lumbered with a huge quantity of wasteful phone and media devices, none of which do anything better than their previous generation. Far worse, they added nothing except cosmetic egotistical glamour to the world, resulting in massive global climate change which will doom humanity to a cruel and hard future for the next several centuries."

As gloomy as you paint the future, that is the very point. The percentage of people in the world who simply want Apple devices, not because they are that much different in capabilities when compared to alternatives, but simply because of the image, is astounding.
To call anyone responsible for such unbelievable business success a silly idiot is quite moronic, I'm sorry to say, regardless of your personal feelings toward the products in question.

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The irony of the OP typing this from a personal computer.




You can thank Steve Jobs for that.


Go watch Triumph of the Nerds documentary, heck. I'll make it super easy for you and provide you the link,

Triumph of the Nerds part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuBXbvl1Sg4


Triumph of the Nerds part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHFJdLP0Hdg

Triumph of the Nerds part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riyAe4BKAng



People who diss Steve Jobs, don't know PC history:



and the whole world has to answer right now just to tell you once again. Who's Bad?

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The irony of the OP typing this from a personal computer. You can thank Steve Jobs for that.


Sorry, but no. If any one individual can be thanked for the fact that every office desk and every home now has a personal computer it's Bill Gates; not Steve Jobs. Overall Gates is far and away the most important individual person in the history of the PC, but it's ridiculous to tell the story without mentioning IBM and Don Estridge. Steve Jobs can be thanked for the fact that all PC operating systems use a GUI but even then he stole that idea from Xerox and Alan Kay. They didn't know what they had though and it took Jobs to perfect it - that's true - but he would have got nowhere fast if it wasn't for Woz so he certainly has to be mentioned and take some credit too...

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You can't thank Bill Gates, Microsoft back in the late 70s only delt with software and IBM didn't make a personal computer venture till the 1980s.

Apple I and Apple II came about in the late 70s as the personal computer for the consumer.

Stole? Bill Gates stole from CP/M when he bought the CP/M ripoff Q-DOS and renamed it MS-DOS to sell to IBM.



and the whole world has to answer right now just to tell you once again. Who's Bad?

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I didn't say that Microsoft and IBM made the first personal computer. I said that "If any one individual can be thanked for the fact that every office desk and every home now has a personal computer it's Bill Gates; not Steve Jobs".

I stand by that statement.

Apple may have released the Apple I and II in the late 1970's but Woz designed both of those - not Jobs - and there were other manufacturers who put out personal computers before that anyway. In fact if you want to get pedantic it is generally considered that the IBM 610 - which was released in 1957 - was the first ever personal computer (you can read about it here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_610). They also released the 5100 in 1975 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_5100). It's ridiculous to argue that those were really PC's though and I am not trying to take anything away from Apple and their place in history. However the fact of the matter is that it was IBM who designed the hardware architecture which eventually ended up on every desk and it was Microsoft - driven by Bill Gate's vision - which wrote the operating systems and software that ran on them all.

Personally I think it's stupid to say that any one person is responsible for the whole thing and that's what I tried to say. I'm simply stating that if you want to pick one person then it shouldn't be Steve Jobs, it should be Bill Gates, and furthermore that Jobs wouldn't even be second on the list. Once again I am not trying to take anything away from him. He was a genius and he had an amazing ability to take complicated technology and put it in the hands of every day people. He understood the way non-technical people think and he was abe to make technology for them. As I said he is responsible for the GUI and that was a piece of inspired genius. It shows why it's so difficult to give total responsibility to any one person though because, as I pointed out, he actually stole that idea from Xerox Parc. They didn't know what they had though and who knows how long it might have taken if not for his vision?

The problem for Apple was their business model. That is why they never sold enough computers and almost went broke. That is why there have probably been 100 IBM architecture PC's sold for every 1 Apple (I don't know what the real ratio is and it might even be higher!). The IBM PC was successful because the architecture was open and anyone could build one. That drove down the price and made them affordable to small business, whereas only large corporations could afford computers before that. In turn that led to the IBM PC architecture being the standard in business and then, when PC's became cheap enough to buy one for the home, the standard in the home.

IBM were late to the game - as you have pointed out - so they used other people's architectures instead of designing everything themselves; the way they had always done before the PC. They used an Intel chip - the 8088 - rather than designing their own and they outsourced the operating system to Microsoft. You're right that Bill Gates bought Q-DOS and modified it to meet IBM's specifications but it's highly dubious to say that...

Bill Gates stole from CP/M when he bought the CP/M ripoff Q-DOS and renamed it MS-DOS to sell to IBM.


...because it was Seattle Computer Products who wrote Q-DOS and they only did it because Digital Research were dragging the chain on development of an operating system for the 8086. It was IBM who wanted CP/M for the new PC because that was pretty much the default OS for "personal computers" at the time. All Bill Gates did was provide IBM with what they asked for. If he didn't do it then someone else would have so I don't think it's fair to say that Bill Gates stole CP/M as though it was his idea to do it. You're right that PC-DOS was a rip-off of CM/P but I think IBM should take most of the blame for that and not Bill Gates. If you see what I mean? It's also worth pointing out IBM initially went to Digital Research and asked them to write a version of CM/P for the PC but they declined. That was a very bad decision and they no doubt regretted it forever after; much like the record companies who declined to record The Beatles and the publishing houses who declined to print Harry Potter!

;-)

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Excellent answer and so right. And as you alluded too, we're lucky IBM didn't copyright the PC architecture. My first PC was an IBM "clone" and it would have cost a lot more had IBM insisted on a piece of every pie.

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Not only are we lucky that IBM used off the shelf components in order to build the PC quickly and cheaply, but we're also lucky that IBM let Microsoft keep the rights to sell their DOS to others, and thus MS-DOS was born. It simply didn't occur to IBM that there might be competing PC's in the future that would also require a DOS, so they saw no harm in letting Microsoft do this.

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yeah I agree. I dont even know how to respond to the OP...

Steve Jobs a silly idiot...

I think someone else is the idiot. And is neither me nor Jobs.

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His friend, Woz, was the biggest genius behind Apple. :)

Read his comments about the film here:

https://plus.google.com/u/0/+CarmsPerez/posts/cDK6ZNpZ6YH

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you dindt understand the movie
here is a metaphore for you to understand:

if a scientist discovered a cure for aids...and hid it...Steve jobs is the guy who brings the cure to the whole world.
Any other flaws is just noise.

Its like a diamond in the dust...you focus on the dust.

Besides, some people have built their fortunes in worst way...why dont you just focus about your own legacy...i bet you are broke anyways.

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He took over a company in difficulty with a market cap of $6.5B and turned it into the epitome of innovation and now their market cap is $2.5T!.



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