I find her boring. A snooze fest. I'm not saying Kylies acting sucks, but the material she is given to work with is AWFUL. She's so boring. I didn't like she and and Danny together. I'm glad he's' with Jo. I"m usually rooting for the WOC (as I am one myself), but ehhh.... she's poorly written.
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I think Lacey's lack of story line in 1B has certainly caused her to not be as liked as the Lacey of 1A. The fans can't really get to know her because her story is never being told. All we truly know is Jo. Which I find insufferable. But others like her and that is okay.
The biggest problem is that Lacey had good story plots but they were never explored. She had parents that divorced and she felt in the middle of that. The sex tape could have been an amazing story of getting inside of Lacey's head and life. If they had explored Lacey more on her own story lines instead of making the stories go to Jo, I think viewers would have got to know Lacey much better.
I am the opposite. I find Jo boring and predictable. Which is ironic because I am a white female. I don't like Jo and Danny together at all. I feel Jo has an attitude of entitlement when it comes to Danny and I hate that. I could be seeing it wrong. But honestly, the main reason that I can't like Janny is the sexual/romantic chemistry is so lacking with Avan/Maddie compared to Avan/Kylie. At least to me it is.
I watched a tv show for 8 years. When they put the actor with another actress even after the lead actress quit the show, the second pairing lacked that chemistry. The thing is that the love story of the second pairing was written even better than the first pairing. (the first story the pair was rather unhealthy with each other) But the lack of sexual/romantic chemistry couldn't be sold to me and many of the audience. It lost viewers in droves but stayed around for two more years. I didn't watch because even if a love story on a tv show is written to be an amazing thing, if the chemistry isn't there, it fails to sell to most of the audience. That is how I feel about Jo and Danny (and their love story isn't even written well at all)
She's boring because they wrote her that way. I feel the opposite, I think Jo is the boring one, the snooze fest and I don't think Maddie's acting sucks but the character they created in her, is the most self-centered, wishy washy friend, I have ever seen on a television in a long time. Yet everyone praises her when she "stands up" to Danny or "calls him out" but when Lacey does it, or did, she's considered to be "whiny" or a "bitch" or "she's just worried about her reputation".
It's not fair nor is it right. But for them to really explore her character, allow her to have a decent relationship with a character with whom she oozes chemistry with, or to actually have friends (who aren't trying to make her a lesbian) and family (who are actually around and visible) is too much like right, and we just can't have that with women of color in television shows.
I find her boring. A snooze fest. I'm not saying Kylies acting sucks, but the material she is given to work with is AWFUL. She's so boring. I didn't like she and and Danny together. I'm glad he's' with Jo. I"m usually rooting for the WOC (as I am one myself), but ehhh.... she's poorly written.
People like Lacey based on 1A and parts of 1B. Sure, she cared about what people thought, BUT most high school kids do (as well as adults). I'm not holding that against her, especially when her former best friend was believed to have murdered his aunt while she chilled in the back, which he also admitted to doing. Then, it is believed that he killed her current best friend.
To be honest, I don't know how to say this without being offensive, but I feel as if some who have difficulty relating to Lacey is simply because she is black. I don't think that this is a conscious thing, but betrayal is a relating emotion--confusion, anger, fear, etc. You may not relate to the exact situation, but those emotions ARE relatable. The reason I bring up Lacey's race is because this usually only happens with black characters/actors. White people have said (generally speaking, but this doesn't mean all of them) that they don't go to movies with a predominate black cast because they don't feel as if they can relate. Umm...I bet if you have the same movie with a white cast, they would flock to see this. Either minorities are forced to "relate" to whites OR they realize that most of these movies have relatable characters regardless of color (and TV shows).
Most of what Jo goes through is self-imposed. She was the one who isolated herself and CHOSE to only have one friend. She chose to be a social outcast--most of the people relating to her didn't choose that, but Jo did. She has had Tyler, Rico, and Charlie all interested in her before Danny finally called her the one. She experienced humiliation with Danny saying she was like a sister, but just about everything else she went through--was through acts on her own doing. She changed herself just because of something Danny said, she stood by his side because of her feelings, and then shut him out because of her feelings, which was unfair considering the situation. Personally, I wouldn't want to relate to Jo.
Now Lacey. She got involved with a guy who she knew her friends had certain feelings for or hated--I know a few people can relate to liking or being involved with someone that would get you judged and/or disowned by your friends. OR the fact that she had to choose a side, she couldn't have both. Hmm...that is relatable as well. Being slut shamed--most girls experience this to some extent. Feeling that no harmful words will hurt you as long as your friends are by your side. Does someone have a parent who came out as gay later on in life? Or doesn't get along with one of their parents? Honestly, I could go on. But, supposedly everything that Lacey experiences is nor relatable. She doesn't have highs and lows like her nest friend being murdered, her dad being gay, her friends disowning her, being slut shamed, etc or her highs when she solved Regina's murder, her brief relationship with Danny, etc. Nope, Jo is the ONLY relatable/likable character.
"And even with Will dead, the love triangle is not over."
To be honest, I don't know how to say this without being offensive, but I feel as if some who have difficulty relating to Lacey is simply because she is black. I don't think that this is a conscious thing, but betrayal is a relating emotion--confusion, anger, fear, etc. You may not relate to the exact situation, but those emotions ARE relatable. The reason I bring up Lacey's race is because this usually only happens with black characters/actors. White people have said (generally speaking, but this doesn't mean all of them) that they don't go to movies with a predominate black cast because they don't feel as if they can relate. Umm...I bet if you have the same movie with a white cast, they would flock to see this. Either minorities are forced to "relate" to whites OR they realize that most of these movies have relatable characters regardless of color (and TV shows).
Most of what Jo goes through is self-imposed. She was the one who isolated herself and CHOSE to only have one friend. She chose to be a social outcast--most of the people relating to her didn't choose that, but Jo did. She has had Tyler, Rico, and Charlie all interested in her before Danny finally called her the one. She experienced humiliation with Danny saying she was like a sister, but just about everything else she went through--was through acts on her own doing. She changed herself just because of something Danny said, she stood by his side because of her feelings, and then shut him out because of her feelings, which was unfair considering the situation. Personally, I wouldn't want to relate to Jo.
I'm the opposite. I found Lacey to be a breath of fresh air. She was sensible and interesting. Even in the second half of the season, she was the only one who ever presented a bit of logic, who would put her personal feelings aside in order to find the truth. I do agree that she was poorly written though, in the sense that we didn't really get a good enough glimpse of her personal life (which I would've loved). Even the two seconds we got with her family in 1A were a million times more interesting than a full season of the Masterson show.
On that account, I think Danny's a huge assh'le and that Jo's incredibly self-obsessed.
All the characters became horribly flat and predictable. Jo was ALWAYS expecting everyone to cater to her. She let her anger control her. Danny was ALWAYS jumping from one girl to the next - if one gave him a hard time, he ran to the other, told her what she wanted to hear. He was always trying to play someone, whether it was Jo or Lacey, or some other character. It came to a point where these things were happening once per episode, like a boring routine.
By the end of the season I didn't really care for anyone, because they had all turned into stupid caricatures of themselves. Normally that takes several seasons. With Twisted it didn't even take one full season.
I can see why some may not enjoy or relate to Lacey because her character development and POV has been severely lacking. We've seen very little of her home life or even what the benefits of being this popular girl that rules the school is like. Her friends from 1a were mostly one-dimensional. So it was hard to understand exactly what Lacey was risking to be with Danny or to care if she lost her friends or her world has come crashing down around her because (other than Lacey stating her friends were an important support system for her) we didn't really get to witness what was so great about her life or these friends. There should have been a parallel to Rico (it could have been Archie or Sarita or Phoebe) for her to confide in for more insight into her motivations and decisions.
I feel like the writers/director/editor team did not do a great job of showing Lacey's motivation and development. So the audience was left to gather clues from reading between the lines, to fill in the blanks and extrapolate back story for her and decipher her reasons. If we didn't take the time to do that, she could have come across as cold hearted in 1a. So much so, that even when the audience got to see her warmer, softer side in 1b, they were unable to relinquish their image of her from 1a to understand her as a multi-faceted character.
Jo's family and friend (Rico) are much more fleshed out than Lacey's family (her mom was in like 2 episodes?) and friends (Sarita, Archie). The complacent audience member could not get as invested in Lacey's character because you had to give deeper thought to understand that because her parents are not there for her, she had to become independent and self sufficient (they needed to show Lacey coming home to an empty house, more scenes like her reaction when her parents were arguing in front of her, more dialogue like Lacey telling Sarita she can't talk to her mom, etc.). She had to protect her social status because that’s all she had.
She stands up for what she believes is right when she is 100% sure of it and accepts responsibility when she is wrong or has made a mistake (unlike Jo). Lacey defends people when she believes there is wrongdoing - but she has to feel sure, she just won't blindly support someone. Jo, on the other hand, is completely emotional about her decisions and doesn't take into account facts and logic.
Lacey is very savvy and smart. She has a great understanding of social dynamics. Back in 1a, she knew it was too soon for Danny to attend events like fall fest, that Danny's party would probably not help his situation, and she was right about the potential fallout from people discovering that she was secretly dating Danny. She was the one who consistently did not let Danny get away with anything -- she called him out every single time, no matter how charming or attractive he was. That cannot be said about any other character on the show.
In 1b, her story line was so diminished, as to render her a supporting character who has no relationship to the main plot. Lacey Porter's potential was pretty much trashed.
Agree with everything you said. We've seen this before with other black characters on different shows, like Bonnie Bennett of The Vampire Diaries. So it doesn't surprise me that she gets so little screen time and character development, while being the only black character of note on the show, and people hate her.
shareI don't like Lacey at all. Danny and Jo are the only characters in the show I like, sadly.
shareI agree with your post. Lacey has been terribly stunted. The writer's had no idea what direction to take her character or the show. It became terrible to watch, I would just leave it on in the background. Jo just seems like a little Danny Fan-girl, not a relationship interest. Why even focus on relationships at all anyway, there's so much more that is going on and should have had better writing (more logical writing too). I could've done a better job.
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I see your point but the truth is lacey is a sad character i do not believe its fair to have her sit in the middle if she going to be uptight about life then she should be but not hanging out with the cool kids and still care about every little secret.
I see your point but the truth is lacey is a sad character i do not believe its fair to have her sit in the middle if she going to be uptight about life then she should be but not hanging out with the cool kids and still care about every little secret.
Yeah their comment doesn't really make sense. Lacey was worried what her friends thought for just a few episodes in the beginning. But apparently that's the only thing Jo fans keep bringing up. Nevermind all the crap both Jo and Danny did for the entire season... that's all okay
shareI know - its all they keep bringing up, as if her character growth and development hasn't existed and as if Jo hasn't shown herself to have even worse character flaws by being selfish, disloyal and narcissistic.
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Yes! Jo's growth has lessened rather than matured. I don't know what the writers are trying to do with her. However, she has shown herself to be all the things you mentioned. I don't know how her actions have shown growth. Although, I will say that she did mature with Danny and Lacey seeing one another. That was real growth. But then the writers made her suddenly turn on Danny, without much reasoning on her part, making her take two steps back from her one step forward.
I feel like Jo never learned (she made the same mistake trusting Charlie that she did trusting Tyler for example) but tbh, her self-centered behavior was true to character so I can give the writers props for consistency. What I don't get is why Danny would fall for someone so disloyal and capricious.
shareThe writers want people to think that it's because Danny has always been so into and obsessed with Jo that he would overlook her constant disloyalty and distrust of him. It's as though he's so into her that he can understand her and he feels like he deserves her mistreatment of him because the sun rises and sets on her. And of course, the writers have suceeded with the small percentage of Jo fans who do see things this way.
shareSad but probably true. The worst part for me is that Danny was my favorite character. However, this Jo worship that seems to be happening with everyone, including him, has diminished his character for me. I liked the Danny that was charming and manipulative. Not the one that is Jo's lap dog. Why would he give her a chance when she has completely shown she doubts him or turns on him if another boy gives her attention in a romantic sense?
I guess that is why I try to convince myself that there has to be more to this story of Jo/Danny. Danny isn't that big of push over if you consider 1A. The only time Danny seemed like himself in the second half of the season was when he told Jo to leave, she wanted space, to take it. And honestly, that was out of character too but made sense after Jo calling him his father. Why would Danny want to be her doormat? I want to believe he is manipulating her to keep her on his side due to not wanting to go down for Vikram's death. After all, Karen did say that Jo was his only hope in the first of the episode. The only thing that keeps me from this theory is that the writer's are so about making this the Jo show. Which still confuses me why they are doing this when they write her so terribly in love with herself.
Because Kylie is smoking hot!!!! Danny/Avan got shafted with Jo...imo.
shareSo the manipulation train of desperation all in the name of Danny's tonuge down Jo's throat (the ONLY real concern of these fans of the show) has parked over on the IMBD tracks with the usual insult to Lacey and/or her fans. This is exactly why the ratings sucked. Better hope Avan's hair is gorgeous enough to pull Twisted from the fire. LOL
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