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The problem with ambiguous endings


"We want the audience to decide......" can come across as "We couldn't really think of a good ending".
Like someone telling you a story, and at the end they say "how should i finish this?"
You want to say "It's YOUR story......"

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Spoilers ahead:

Look at it this way, If they had planned to live together, you would have a whole lot of people thumbing it down for adultery, Now if they decided to go their seperate ways, there will be a whole lot of people asking why they didn't take the plunge when they had all the reasons to.

So the only way to cater it to both audiences is by having an Ambiguous ending. That way neither parties are offended because the ending is totally subjective to change based on how you feel about the situation

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You really think they had all the reasons to take the plunge?

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Boy, you really do have a problem with them taking the plunge, dont you? I personally wanted them to meet, just meet. They didnt even need to have had a conversation. But how i wish the movie ended with ila and saajan just standing there face to face. And if i ever meet ritesh batra, i would tell him that i hate him for not letting ila and saajan meet.
But then again, isnt that what a filmmaker supposed to do? Create characters we can relate to or make us invest in the characters emotionally? The lunchbox did that for me. So ambiguous ending or not i loved this film, and would definitely watch it again, even if it did not quite have the ending i wanted it to have.

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It is called "open interpretation". The director succeeds in showing you the hardship and pain of a city like Mumbai. He sketches the vulnerability of neglected wives. Now, it's totally upon you to choose your own ending: the fate of protagonist lies with you sir.

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uhm... you call it open interpretation. its just another word for ambiguity. I know. You dont have to explain it to me. I really didnt understand the point of your reply. The op is talking about the problem of an ambiguous ending. I replied to him i didnt care, and that i liked the film. what are you on about?

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It would have been nice, if maybe for the ending, they both came to the meeting place and made eye contact, and then ended. It's open for interpretation, but still gives us a little something. I don't like ambiguous endings, but I did love this movie.

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Totally agree.
I ask you this:
At the final scenes we see Saajan riding the train toghether with the Dabbawalas (this after he has changed his mind about moving away).
So, I was thinking he was going to follow the Dabba that delivered lunch from Ila´s house and try to meet her.
After this scene we could have seen this:
The door bell rings.
Ila opens the door. It´s the Dabba to deliver the empty lunch box.
Next to him is Saajan.
Saajan and Ila look at each other, and we see them smile.
THE END.
NO KISS, NO BIG WEDDING, but still a nice ending to a nice story.
What happens after this is up to each viewer, but we GET SOMEWHERE.
The movie fails at the end IMHO.

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If the film had ended that way, then the entire film would have to be done over differently, because the ending you have up there is tonally different, way more rom-com-y. If this film went on beyond its last shot to show Ila and Saajan's first meeting, the entire film becomes atonal because it loses the momentum of anticipation, which it had been building up to; the different ending then makes the entire film 'safe' and, thus, boring. If you want your ending to work, it would be a whole different animal.

While there was an edge of romantic love to this film, it wasn't the central backbone and it was presented in an abstract, symbolic way. This film was about connection, intimacy, and passion, but not romance. But the essential thing was the change and growth of Ila and Saajan, which really came about because of Ila and her passionate nature. She's the catalyst. In all she does, she does so with passion and generosity. It went into her food, and so into Saajan, awakening something in him that was there all along. During the film we see Ila sending out all those lunches, so I think this film ends at the perfect moment, before the dabbawala's return. She sent out so much ... What might return to her?

Also, I don't consider the film's ending ambiguous at all; the opposite, in fact. Ila is what brought Saajan back from Nasik. It doesn't matter what happens after they meet, or whether we see it or not. He came back for her and she has no idea. It's a bold, passionate move on Saajan's part. At the start of the film, he is reserved, closed-off, lacks passion, totally ready for retirement. Then you have Ila, who is passionate, spirited, and forthright. She's the first to initiate the letters. She's the first to reveal intimate and private details. She's the first to suggest they meet in person. Saajan, on the other hand. Well, he does show up to the cafe, but then 'hides' across the room and silently watches Ila waiting for him to show up. He's totally out of his element, and his struggles are completely understandable. But that's precisely what makes his return from Nasik so important and telling. His own passion, within himself, has been born. He came back on his own all the way from Nasik; his leaving for Nasik is key here. He was in receptive mode for the entire film, until he left for Nasik, and then came back.

Smile, kiss, wedding. Those things are small potatoes in light of what actually happened to Ila and Saajan, regardless of whether or not they have a future that is mutual. Given the film's message, the film ended at the right time for its story.

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Good post memorywasher. I agree.

Just one thing--you mentioned that Ila was the first to initiate the notes. I thought Saajan sent the first note (telling her the food was too salty).




And all the pieces matter (The Wire)

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I thought Saajan sent the first note (telling her the food was too salty)


If I'm remembering correctly, the first note was from Ila, which she sends along with her husband's favourite dish, as a thank you for those brief hours of happiness when she believed her husband was the one who had emptied the lunchbox and licked it clean. But it's later that evening, upon his arrival, when she realises there was a mixup.

Saajan's "the food was too salty" note came after, sometime after Ila and Auntie's discussion about how rude it was that this person didn't even send her a thank you. Remember, Ila's first note clearly allows Saajan to know that he's receiving someone else's lunch, so it's real gall that, knowing this, he doesn't reply to her note, instead just keeps eating the food she's sending. And then writes, "the food was very salty today." That's when Ila, with help from Auntie, really spices things up, burns his tongue, and gets him talking. That's when the real notes start. At least that's how I'm remembering it.

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I remember it as Saajan sending back the empty dishes the first time with no note, no thank you (he assumed the food was from his regular takeout place, that's why he goes there to ask if they changed anything). When Ila sends him her husband's favourite dish I don't recall her sending a note, it's just her narration telling us that it's her husband's favourite.

I could be mistaken, the order of the notes doesn't really matter--the beauty of the film lies in these two people gradually opening up to each other, with each one ready to start a new life.






And all the pieces matter (The Wire)

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with each one ready to start a new life



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No, you are right, the first night she discovered Rajeev did not get her meal, and wrote the first note for the next day, to thank Saajan for showing he liked her dishes by sending back empty containers.

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You're EXACTLY on target with everything you said; unfortunately, Americans (or lovers of American films) tend to need (or like to have) everything spelled out for them, as opposed to having to do any thinking on their own. Hence the sophomoric comments accusing the filmmakers of not having an ending, when in fact that's exactly what they did have. We Americans tend to like having everything spelled out - told how to think, instead of having to work to do it on our own. That's why so many people here still respond with b.s. like "I don't like to READ my movies!" when asked if they ever give foreign films a try.

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I'm also (North) American, and I prefer to watch with the subtitles on, even if the film isn't foreign. Take that, 'murica!

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I have to disagree with you. You are the first person to say that Hollywood movies try to spell out everything for the audience. Quite the contrary - I believe that there are enough Hollywood movies out there that leave the audience to connect the dots themselves.

Remember that The Lunchbox is not your typical Indian movie. In fact, most Indian (rather Bollywood) movies make sure they show each and every detail, emotion and event on-screen, thus making most such movies slow and plodding to watch.


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I saw the reply from Carlos727... and I agreed with that..
then I read the reply from Memorywasher.. and I agree with that...more.
better ending...well said Memory washer.

well played by the 2 leads...
and well played by director and screenwriter.

I love this movie.

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Excellent post!

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Beautiful description, ID_Speaks. Thank you.

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Everything you propose extending the film to include was totally deducible from the way the film DID end ... so why do you need to have it spelled out? He was with the Dabbawallas - and for only one reason ... the rest was a pretty clear connect-the-dots for us viewers to do. It was far better to have it end as it did, let us fill in the obvious picture of what happens next - to the extent that any "next" event is ever guaranteed ...

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I agree with you...this is how I think the ending of the movie should have been. It pleases me to think of him following the Dabbawalas to her apartment, reaching her just in time before she leaves. Why else would she send her daughter to school? It would be easier to leave much earlier in the day, than when school is over. I think it's a plot point put in to give us just such an idea. Her being at home all day gives Saajan enough time to reach her. That's the way I like to believe it happened.

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AGREED ! Luggages are packed....Ila is waiting for her daughter to finish her school....Saajan shows up on the right time...BHUTAN all the way, Yay. Well, the film is left for an open interpretation. The director has acquainted us with the hardship and pain of life in this city. The fate of lovebirds lies with YOU.

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For me, the ending was simple - Saajan finally realized his passion for Ila and returned from Nasik, searching for her, going back with the food deliverers. But she had already left for Bhutan, so he would not find her in her home. And she doesn't know his address in Nasik and even if she did, she "might not send the letter". And even though there would still be possibilities for them to meet, it's just that, a missed opportunity. A missed opportunity on love.
All of you make very good and reasonable points on the film's story, characters and development. But for me, that was the point of the final. Do not miss those opportunities!

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For me, the ending was simple - Saajan finally realized his passion for Ila and returned from Nasik, searching for her, going back with the food deliverers. But she had already left for Bhutan, so he would not find her in her home.
Actually, Ila said goodbye to her little girl who left for school and Ila had planned to pack during the day while the girl was away.

She had all day to pack.

At the time the little girl left for school, Saajan was on his way to find Ila.

He had all day to find her and he was already on the train with the food delivers in the morning.

He had time to find her and they had time to decide what to do before the little girl came home from school.

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You seem to have made up your mind already, but the movie isn't near as negative as you are on whether they meet.

The movie shows that he definitely wants to find her - he's talking to the dabbawalas to get her address, traveling with them on the train. Whether or not he reaches her in time (before she leaves for her train to Bhutan) is ambiguous. The movie leaves it open.

But in the context of the story, it's not relevant. She may well send him the letter she's written. Or if not, her neighbor upstairs knows where she's gone. Her mother knows. If Saajan is really interested in following her, he can find her in Bhutan quite easily.

I think the director left it like that for good reason. He couldn't quite bring himself to put closure there with a happy ending, but he made it easy enough for people who like happy endings to think that there might be one.

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normally i don't mind ambiguous endings but this one was way too vague

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You are confusing ambiguous endings with open endings.

Christopher Nolan makes ambiguous endings (Inception etc). In these films, the audience do not understand what they saw on-screen.

In open endings, audience understand what happened on-screen but are free to speculate and debate what might subsequently happen off-screen.


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Because the ending is not important, the story is. The fact that they have unknowingly helped each other to rise above the rut is what this movie is all about. Whether they manage to meet or not, whether they run away to Bhutan or not is secondary.


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