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So what happens to her?


What do you think happens to her? I think this is one sad ending really, I was really hoping for a feel good ending, reminded me of "requiem for a dream". I really felt sorry for her and hoped she was going to make it.

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What happens to her is she loses her battle with mental illness and slowly becomes homeless. Haven't you ever seen a homeless person and wonder how they got that way? Sometimes it's from simply losing your job. With no family support and her mental condition you can see how it begins with her. It's easy to blame homeless people for their state of living, but sometimes it is out of their control. It's amazing reading these boards how many people didn't get the message here.

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I would not go as far as her being homeless, she could easily work in a supermarket like her sister or another dentist like place, yes I can see her not being stable and talking to herself but she won't be homeless.
What's really sad is her soul being crushed and her feeling alone and not understood by people around her, also the fact that she's the one who brought this to her husband and son multiply the guilt and depression.
Although I dispise rich people, I completely sympathises with her, you can't expect her to take that shift in the standards of living easily, plus she was not a bad person at all.

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I hoped that the character of Jasmine was going to make it. I was rooting for the character because she wasn't a bad person. I think there are different possibilities of what could've happened to Jasmine. I just don't know what.

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You missed the point, she was rich, thanks to her husband, but she wasn't tough like most people, cause she was pampered all her life. That's what.
The story is about how life is hard, and many people will inevitably fail for different reasons, ALL jobs are hard, and the rich got that way through illegal methods. And a weakling like Jasmine who tells on her husband for vengeance, loses it all....she's completely lost now in this world. 1. She's heart broken, the love of her life just left her for a teenage au pair, she can't possibly deal with that cognitive (not to mention emotional) shock.
2. She has no skills, no way to survive. She gets a job but her boss comes on to her, so she quits, she can almost make it back by marrying the rich guy, but the past comes back to eff that up, there's just no way out. You have to be tougher in life so you can take the hit and not break the branch you're sleepng on....OR not marry a weak little skirt chaser that's gonna dump you sooner or later...this movie is about those in -between people, not rich, not poor, they end up crazy or on the street because they have no skills, arent tough enough, and their foundations can be easily shaken.

Oh what a day. What a lovely day!

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She would never work in a supermarket like her sister. She thought she was above such menial work and unless she got help she would continue to cling to that delusion.

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Yeah she's stuck in between worlds, either you're a hard worker, or a smart rich perosn in control, who won't lose her sheit and destroy the branch shes sitting on.


Oh what a day. What a lovely day!

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You dispise rich people? I guess you'll never get to be one with that spelling.

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Lol yeah cause getting rich is so easy.... 😂

Oh what a day. What a lovely day!

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Yes, in theory, a person could take the jobs you're talking about. You may have failed to notice that she's deeply mentally ill. She walked out of her sister's house with nothing, not even her hair done. She stopped at a bench and went fully into her mental illness.

It's quite obvious that she's on the path to homelessness. To say 'Hey, she could just decide to be sane and normal and get a job and have a normal life' is kind of startling. No, she couldn't. She never could.



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Shes "ill" because her hub dumped her for a teenager...she would never have expected this...she's betrayed, dissapointed, ashamed, shocked...many emotions that just make it impossible to go on.


Oh what a day. What a lovely day!

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It's amazing reading these boards how many people didn't get the message here.

What's equally amazing is how quickly people on these boards can become self-righteous and condescending because they think they are the only one who understand the film being discussed.

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It's even more amazing how you despise others for not getting the message of the film while you're the one who got it all wrong.
The things she has chosen to do is what made her end up that way.

Think twice next time before making such comment.

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She was badly dumped, it came as such a surprise, she's dissapointed, ashamed, heart-broken, shocked, it just shattered her to pieces.

Oh what a day. What a lovely day!

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It isn't because she lost her job, it's because she got dumped, idiot.

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I think you're exactly right. Jasmine was representative of those people who we see on the streets, trapped in a world of their own, often talking to themselves. Just like Jasmine, all these people had lives, once. Traumatic events and series of unfortunate circumstances led them to a life of homelessness and battle with unmedicated mental illness. They were mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, husbands, wives, sons, daughters of someone, and yet here they are, lost on the streets, many by choice.

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The movie ends with her babbling on a bus stop bench. Woody leaves it up to each audience member to construct their own scenario going forward. If they want to. Of course since it is all fiction nothing happened to her after the movie ended.

What is plausible, had this been a story of a real person? Well just about anything, really. She might have snapped out of it, had the "aha" moment that being yourself and telling the truth is a better path towards a happy life. Or she may have just gone bat-$hit crazy after that last scene and jumped in front of a bus to kill herself.

But trying to figure that out isn't important, it isn't the point of the story Woody tells. The very last glimpse of Jasmine is the exclamation point of the whole story. An unhappy person who got that way by the choices she made. I am reminded of a weekend school retreat my daughter took some years ago, with the theme, "Choices Have Consequences." It stuck with her and she made good choices.

Jasmine had all the time she wanted now to reflect on her choices and what the consequences were.

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She's carted off to a sanitarium just after her wanly muttering, "I've always depended upon the kindness of San Franciscans."

I personally think she's breached the void and isn't coming back; she was overcome by the consequences of her choices.

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I am reminded of a weekend school retreat some years ago, with the theme, "Choices Have Consequences."


Do tell.



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First she has to deal with her pain, and that's just impossible, she hardly has the time, no one cares about her, she's just alone...she's finished.
She was badly dumped, it came as such a surprise, she's dissapointed, ashamed, heart-broken, shocked, it just shattered her to pieces.


Oh what a day. What a lovely day!

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I know of one person personally who endured similar troubles and it's awful to watch the spiral downward. I like to think that her boyfriend pulled up and picked her up to provide assistance. If he didn't, he was a punk.

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I just saw this movie for the first time. What incredible performances!

Anyhow, in my opinion Dwight was a shallow self-absorbed jerk. He won't show up at the park bench and save Jasmine from herself. Dwight saw the quality of Jasmine's wardrobe and the elegance of her social skills and thought he had found the hostess he needed for the remainder of his State Department career and the subsequent political career he had planned for himself. Five minutes later he proposes because she's just the kind of woman he wants to be seen with. But the moment Dwight discovers Jasmine has been less than straightforward with him, he is perfectly willing to leave her in a distraught condition on the side of the road with no intention of ever seeing her again.

I'm sorry to say that I think that Jasmine will have a hard time recovering from her Xanax and vodka addictions while she's delusional. In "Streetcar Named Desire" Blanche was institutionalized by her sister Stella after her psychological breakdown. But that was at a time when mentally ill people didn't live on the street. Today homeless women try to ally themselves with a buddy to avoid rape, robbery, and worse. Jasmine is too far gone to survive alone on the street, and it seems that Ginger is finally done with being used and abused by her sister.

So I see Jasmine living the life she created for herself...homeless in ragged Chanel.

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He hung himself in prison....


And her drug/ alcohol addiction is nothing, she has to deal with her pain, and that's just impossible, she hardly has the time, no one cares about her, she's just alone...she's finished.
She was badly dumped, it came as such a surprise, she's dissapointed, ashamed, heart-broken, shocked, it just shattered her to pieces.


Oh what a day. What a lovely day!

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He was already a punk. He left her on the side of the street when she was clearly having a freakout. Unless a person is acting threateningly toward me, I would never do that and would at least make sure s/he got home safely. Being a liar doesn't mean you deserve to be stranded somewhere.

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I hope you two are kidding.

Why on earth would he be a punk for not going to get her?. In the first place, he was perfetcly in his right to end the relationship. She had lied to him left and right. Secondly, he had no way of knowing she was now suddenly pretty much homeless and sitting on a bench talking aloud to herself. Remember, she also hid from him her mental issues and her time in a mental institution. So he had NO reason to think anything like that was going on.

BTW, there's nothing wrong with him letting her out of the car. She demanded it. It was daytimes and the place didn't look dangerous at all.

As to what happens to her, she could become crazy and homeless and many think, or she could be again picked up and put in a mental institution. Any other chance is way less likely imo.

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The final scene, where she's on the park bench, she goes through her same "ritual" of talking to herself/a stranger... I think it's implied from that scene setup that it's a sad ending, and she'll be living in a park the rest of her life talking about Fendi purses.

However, Allen throws a subtle curve into her speech about her dear song "Blue Moon," which was her notable socialite elevator speech throughout the movie. She says in the final scene she doesn't remember the words to the song, and it was "just a jumble now."

Allen is a master of his craft and these final lines were given plenty of thought.

To me I think this says, she's simply moving on from her distant past. That's were Allen ended the story, so that's where the story ends.

To speculate on what would happen, I think she'd will carry the same habits of trying to reachieve the status she once held. That's the drive that got her to take the dental assistant job.

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Excellent point. I think that the fact she's forgotten the words means she's starting to lose her connection to the fantasy she'd wrapped around her live with Hal. She's fallen, but I think she eventually accepts her new place in life.

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To me I think this says, she's simply moving on from her distant past.

No, it means her mind is deteriorating even further. There is no question what happens to her: she spends the rest of her miserable life babbling to herself on park benches, gutters, alleys as a homeless wreck.

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She descented into madness. The son turning her away was the final straw. She finally realized there is no escape from her past.

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Since I suppose it's open to interpretation, I interpret the ending as our seeing her really hitting rock bottom (not that she will become homeless). I think she has to start over from the ground up, live on government assistance and student loans, etc. I don't see her mental health issue as being her biggest obstacle, but rather her sense of entitlement to live as if she is still rich, without having an education, work experience or special skills. She married into that, and tried to do it again, and now she'll have to truly do it on her own. I'm choosing to see it as a positive end.

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I agree as well. Forgetting the words to me was the first sign that her fantasy world was starting to crumble.

Amy: I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!

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She probably was found hours later and was given another dose of Edison's Medicine.

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LOL What's wrong with you people? There is no positive ending or starting over. She wastes away in that park for the rest of her miserable life.

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I don't think her choices were that bad. She was trying to make the best of things but bad things kept happening. She was trying to work toward a job she thought she'd be good at, tried to study the computer although it was difficult for her. Too bad the dentist turned into a sexual harasser. Several months of dental assistant, study with even a friend at class, saving a few dollars, (probably even going bit easier on her sister and boyfriend) would have given her some rest from what she had already endured.

I'm not sure about all the alcohol and pills. Maybe she could see her way out if she had some stability in a living situation, a job and a possible future. She was after all starting from square one, with at least one arm tied behind her back, the entitlement and the trauma of losing the life she was used to.

She may have learned some manners which always helps.

She wasn't totally deluded. She was able to carry on conversations and have relations with people. She tried to stop the dentist but quit--who wouldn't? She tried to shut her sister's ex up to save her new relationship, although built on lies. She knew immediately what her new boyfriend was about when he turned on her so quickly. She found her way to the step son and left when he told her to get out of his life. All this stuff was rational. If you have some intelligence and a good memory, you can hold on to your sanity. She had both plus a strong will to go forward.

The memories kept coming up and she forgot herself in public and talked out loud. Not good I agree but severe stress and pills and alcohol aren't a good combination.

I like to think she would find her way back to the sister's house. The sister never showed any mean streak and she and the boyfriend would probably see what a mess she was unless they were terminally dumb.

I think they would give her a home and help her get some stability to work from while setting some important ground rules for her behavior.

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I agree with your assessment but not your prognosis! Once Chili and Ginger had gotten tight again, there is no way Chili would want Jasmine around. He would hate Jasmine for having taken Ginger to the party where she met Al, and would always fear her undermining him to Ginger. And having nearly 'lost' Chili and seen his explosive temper, Ginger would not do anything to which he objected.

The way I see it playing out is that if the police or other authorities contacted Ginger, it would have been made clear that Jasmine had no family support. She would then be in the hands of the mental health system, whatever that entailed; a hospital, psychiatric unit, halfway house.

It's possible that after she was weaned off her cocktail of alcohol and prescription drugs she would regain some semblance of sanity. Whether her spirit could cope with her new status in life is unknown. I really do not think she could adjust to what would be a permanent loss, and think suicide would be a kind release.

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She would then be in the hands of the mental health system, whatever that entailed; a hospital, psychiatric unit, halfway house.

There is no free mental health system. No hospitals, psychiatric units, or halfway houses take people in off the streets for free. She is stuck out on the streets, wasting away.

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What? Is that really true? (I am not in the US.)

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Yes, that's unfortunately true.

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by dgbenner » Fri Jul 4 2014 15:13:42
Allen throws a subtle curve into her speech about her dear song "Blue Moon," which was her notable socialite elevator speech throughout the movie. She says in the final scene she doesn't remember the words to the song, and it was "just a jumble now."

Allen is a master of his craft and these final lines were given plenty of thought.

To me I think this says, she's simply moving on from her distant past. That's were Allen ended the story, so that's where the story ends.

To speculate on what would happen, I think she'd will carry the same habits of trying to reachieve the status she once held. That's the drive that got her to take the dental assistant job.


I agree with this assessment. Add to that, she is in no way totally out of touch with reality. She took a shower and got dressed before she went out. She didn't have a blowout argument with her sister and the boyfriend. She could go back. (Ginger and Chili had survived the troubles Jasmine instigated. They could easily deal with anything else Jasmine might toss their way. I don't think she will though.)

To add to the letting go of some more of her baggage, she left the house with wet hair, showing that she didn't feel the need to keep up with her former standards.

Final lines are very important.

Whether her spirit could cope with her new status in life is unknown.
She is coping very well. She wasn't going to do anything on that bench to draw the need for police. She would sit there and talk things over. I think this is what freaks everyone out. She talks to herself. Lots of people do. It doesn't mean they're not coping and on the road to suicide.

And having nearly 'lost' Chili and seen his explosive temper, Ginger would not do anything to which he objected.
He had a temper but he loved Ginger and Ginger loved him. She had relatively free reign to do what she wanted as long as it didn't endanger their relationship. He always honored her kind heart. He would not object to her offering help to Jasmine, who I think was on her way to coming down to earth, not going the other way.

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I've got to say, that is the most unusual take I have heard on the ending. Jasmine leaves her only abode, says she will send for her things, and we see her sitting on a park bench babbling to herself. She has no money, no friends, nowhere to go, no survival skills, plus a serious alcohol/drug addiction.

If what has been said is true, that there is no free mental healthcare in the US, then the best thing that can happen to her is that someone whose motives aren't deadly will find her and take her home with them. That isn't to say she won't be exploited, however. And the worst is that some truly monstrous people will prey on her and she will meet a very bad end.

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I didn't catch that line about sending for her things. People do say things like that. I think she would have recovered from that defiant snobbism after thinking/talking things over. She wasn't babbling. She was reviewing her life. Then she would decide how to proceed.

Her survival skills were top of the line and I'm pretty sure she will go home to her sister. The time spent with her sister this time around paled in comparison to the times spent in the past, remember lost all the money, Ginger is still holding a grudge. She was able to approach Ginger after that, so she will be able to go back to her only home at this point.

Also, just thought of this. She would not be able to get far with no money. Don't you think that Ginger, Chili or even Ginger's ex would have come upon her after/if she'd been missing for a day or so. She'd be in the neighborhood. If someone approached her, she'd probably tell them the sister's address. Now, if she said New York, I'd go along with the totally lost version.

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I usually really enjoy an original point of view, but nothing you say makes any sense and I am wondering if we saw the same film.

Jasmine's survival skills were 'top of the line'?

Let's review here, shall we? Jasmine had lost her her home, her husband, her status, her friends, her job, her fiancé, her son, and had now lost her welcome at the only home remaining to her (Ginger's). She had no resources, nowhere to go, and nothing left to lose. Her sanity was already tenuous by repeated, horrible trauma plus escalating drug and alcohol abuse.

Since it appears there is no social safety net, she is at the mercy of whoever crosses her path on the street. She has never lived on the street and has no survival skills related to street life. She is therefore utterly vulnerable.

Watch the film again and then come back.

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I usually really enjoy an original point of view, but nothing you say makes any sense and I am wondering if we saw the same film.

Jasmine's survival skills were 'top of the line'?

Let's review here, shall we? Jasmine had lost her her home, her husband, her status, her friends, her job, her fiancé, her son, and had now lost her welcome at the only home remaining to her (Ginger's). She had no resources, nowhere to go, and nothing left to lose. Her sanity was already tenuous by repeated, horrible trauma plus escalating drug and alcohol abuse.

Since it appears there is no social safety net, she is at the mercy of whoever crosses her path on the street. She has never lived on the street and has no survival skills related to street life. She is therefore utterly vulnerable.

Exactly.

There are obviously people here who have an unsubstantiated optimistic view of Jasmine and her situation. Maybe they are too fond of the character to accept the grim reality.

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Quicksilver1900 » 3 hours ago (Thu Jul 24 2014 13:06:18)
nothing you say makes any sense

Jasmine had lost her her home, her husband, her status, her friends, her job, her fiancé, her son, and had now lost her welcome at the only home remaining to her (Ginger's).

She had no resources, nowhere to go, and nothing left to lose. Her sanity was already tenuous by repeated, horrible trauma plus escalating drug and alcohol abuse.


Nothing I said makes any sense? You follow that with the long list of stuff she's had to endure and she's still going. I dispute that she won't return to Ginger's or that Ginger and Chili won't let her in.

She managed to get herself to Ginger's house while the original trauma was fresher. She took the job at the dentist and went to night school. I agree she made a bad decision to accept that marriage proposal but she got used to it falling apart fast. It was hard for her to seek out the son in Oakland and deal with the issue all over again, but she did. She got herself back to Ginger's, took a shower, got dressed and went for some fresh air.

Pills, alcohol and talking to herself in public does not mean that sanity is down the drain.

I edited out your condescending remarks.

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Why would you think she would return to Ginger's? She didn't return to the dentist after he made a pass at her, and that would have been manageable. She needed the job badly.

Ginger is now angry with her and is siding with Chili. It would be more likely that Jasmine would phone Dwight or Danny than go back to Ginger's, now that Chili has taken up residence.

Jasmine did not 'go for some fresh air.' Her departing words at Ginger's and the park bench scene reprised Blanche duBois' final scene in A Streetcar Named Desire before she was taken off to a mental institution. She was delusional, talking about going to live in Vienna with her fiancé.

I urge you to rewatch the film. There is nothing to support your idea that Jasmine has the resources to overcome the obstacles facing her at the close of the film.

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Baghdad Bob, is that you?

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>>>When Jasmine told Ginger and Chili that she was going to move in with Dwight, they'd eventually marry and then move to Vienna, she was not being delusional. This was going to happen except they bumped into Augie who ruined their engagement ring purchase.

Yes, but she was going on about this after they had broken up. She knew there was to be no marriage.

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It really didn't need a separate thread because it's irrelevant if Augie tells Ginger.

You must not have noticed the part where Ginger was seething with rage when she is finally honest with Jasmine about what happened. And it obviously went over your head that Ginger no longer gives a crap about Jasmine, she didn't even notice her walking out the door. She is free of Jasmine's toxic presence and influence and is not looking back.

There is no question of what happens to Jasmine: she wastes away in ugly ways on park benches, streets, gutters, wherever. It was not an open ending. You only want it to be that way because you simply didn't understand this movie.

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If you're not willing to have an adult conversation, that's fine. Just know that you're wrong about Jasmine.

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She didn't return to the dentist after he made a pass at her, and that would have been manageable.
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by Rubymar1
Many women would leave a job at the dentist's office who turned out to physically harass and intimidate her. As her computer classmade said, "she should sue him for sexual harrassment." But Jasmine had been through too much already to bother with this dentist she never wanted to work to start with.
I don't think men understand how often a women has to change jobs because of sexual harassment. She did not need this sort of aggravation while she was trying her best to get her feet on the ground.

Ginger wasn't siding with Chili. She will never cheat on him again but she is her own woman and he will go along with her important issues both because he loves her and because he wouldn't want another separation.

Jasmine is nowhere near Blanche Dubois territory. Jasmine's delusions were an offshoot of her real life. If Jasmine started talking about being a basketball player (on the park bench) I think I might agree with you.

Also, her pill supply will be running out soon and no doctor would go along with a refill. The prescription would be rehab and detox from alcohol.

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She was absolutely in Blanche Dubois territory. She was babbling incoherently about going to a wedding in Palm Beach and hearing a song that wasn't even playing. Sorry to break it to you but she is detached from reality and gone forever.

And her pills? She walked out of the apartment with nothing but the clothes on her back. Her mental deterioration had escalated to the point of no return.

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Well 18%, I stand corrected. Your unique take on the ending has solved the mystery once and for all: Jasmine 'went for some fresh air' and was 'talking things over' (with herself); she was not broke, homeless, alone and delusional on a park bench in the Mission district of San Francisco.

Now that I have learned that there is no safety net for the mentally fragile members of American society, I urge them all to never fall into a similar predicament. Without friends, family or money, you are one step away from being in Jasmine's shoes on that park bench.

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You're welcome.

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You've got an awfully thin skin for someone who dishes it out the way you do.

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The reason she is unlikely to return to Ginger's is that, unlike at the beginning, she has now had bad experiences chèz Ginger, and Chili has effectively taken her place there (and he hates her). Throughout the her stay in SF, each time Jasmine had an unpleasant altercation with someone, eg, with the dentist and with Dwight, she immediately fled, rather than stand her ground. She could not bear conflict.

I did not see that it was difficult for her to go see Danny. Despite having just experienced the most terrible loss, the loss of her only hope of rescue, she immediately went to see him after learning where he was.

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It was from this thread (Cheeso65)

There is no free mental health system. No hospitals, psychiatric units, or halfway houses take people in off the streets for free. She is stuck out on the streets, wasting away.


I have read that some decades ago they emptied out all the mental hospitals and reintroduced people to the community, ie, halfway houses etc. There is no shortage of mentally ill homeless people on the street, but without a doubt, anyone who is dangerous will be locked up somewhere. In any case, Jasmine had already been in the mental health system, and she had no funds to pay for it, so there must have been some free mental healthcare.

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I have to state that the poster who emphatically stated there are no free services does a huge disservice to people who need help

Really? Are they reading this very message board?

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In any case, Jasmine had already been in the mental health system, and she had no funds to pay for it, so there must have been some free mental healthcare.

You don't know that it was free. It's more than likely that there were still people in New York, friends of her's or maybe even Danny, who felt sorry enough for her to pay for her hospital care.

She's burned all those bridges now.

She is deteriorating more and more, she has no one who cares for her, and the reality is, she's going to waste away in the streets.

And if you want to know about the state of mentally ill homeless people in the US, visit any major American city, you see them, the poor wretches of society, covered in filth and talking to themselves, slowly dying where they stand.

I know you and Rubymar want some dream happy ending for Jasmine, it just does not exist and is not realistic.

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If what you say is true, the streets would be littered with homeless people for miles on end


They are. Why do you think skid rows and tent cities exist?

Homeless people cannot pay for services and will not be turned away by many organizations that are paid for by the government, foundations, private contributions and so on. Get your head out of your behind.


Mental hospitals do not go around picking up mentally ill people off the streets, providing them free medication, treatment, and hospital stays. You don't need documentation, just walk out into any major metropolitan area in America and see for yourself. But if you want documentation you can google "mentally ill homeless" and see the ugly truth for yourself.

For all we know, Jasmine kept up her insurance policy.

Then the treatment wasn't free, it was paid for by the insurance.

Jasmine was not in a state to get herself to outpatient treatment. She had totally flipped her lid and that's how she'll be from now on.

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Actually, while I would like a happy outcome for Jasmine, like you, I do not think it likely, given her limited resources.

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That's the beauty of literature! Just because the story ends doesn't mean the book (or movie) ends also. There is no true way of telling what will happen to Jasmine, but the fun is in the conjecture and speculation. So there is no wrong answer!

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