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probably the best incarnation of Batman ever?


This show is my favourite version of the batman/bruce character that i've seen anywhere, in film, comics, other animated shows etc. the show itself is also the most sophisticated action adventure show that i've ever seen (along with green lantern), certainly in the same league as batman the animated series, in how groundbreaking it was, in the stories that were told, and how they were told.

firstly, people who think that BTAS is the best batman show ever made, or ever will be, need to stop being so precious about their show, and view BTB with an objective set of eyes. BTAS broke new ground in animated tv with proper stories, convincing voice acting, and camera and editing techniques highly influenced by a myriad of genres, that suited the world of batman and gotham city (old school crime and horror,early film noir chariscuro cinematography, musical scores by an actual orchestra). the result was a show that looked and felt like, as producers bruce timm and eric radomski put it, "mini movies".

Beware the Batman is just as groundbreaking and thrilling in it'[s stories and techniques. The plots are often labrynth-like, and often are symbolic, or directly refernce contemporary societal problems, like the economy, mental illness, conservation of energy, corporate corruption, etc. the voice acting is convincing and feels more like a film than a cartoon at times. i loved Anthony Ruivivar as bruce/ batman. Such a perfect, commanding, at times sarcastic delivery. me-likey.

The villains were such a progressive, forward thinking way to go. how many times have we seen the same old adversaries? Doesn't it get boring, always seeing the joker, penguin, riddler etc? Silver monkey was soooooo f&*king cool. I'd never heard of this guy, ever. Great subplot in 'reckonong' when he helps batman after they bust out of the jail cell. the incarnation of Ra's al ghul was the most threatening and dangerous i'd ever seen. lady shiva? boss. Anarky reminded me a bit of dark knight joker. the chess-like relationship between was particuarly smart and thrilling. Batman being hunted by police? A million dollar bounty on his head? Bruce wayne being shot in the chest by a batman impersonator? Batman surrendering voluntary to the police, to tactically decapacitate killer croc by exploiting his vulnerable spots? Was anyone else blown away by all this cool *beep* And everything leading up to the genisis of the outsiders, was so cool. It's like the writers found all these obscure but worthwhile elements from the comics and presented them. the manhunter episode where batman and katana team up with paul kirk? so f*&king cool

Barbara and lieutenant Gordan teaming up to turn gotham's powere back on was so funny and cool. This is the coolest incarnation of barbara ever as well, and makes way more sense. She's just this cool, geeky computer hacker, obsessed with batman. super smart, super capable, but still this goofy teenager.

Katana was super-cool, and was a partner (not sidekick) worthy of Batman. i ended up loving her alot. Smart, capable, funny. And bruce's driver/bodyguard. genius.

The closest I've seen to the characterisation in this show, is Grant Morrisson's batman run. Razor sharp mind. See's everything everyone else doesn't. ultra-strategic (plans 10 steps ahead of everyone else). anticipates his oponent's actions. Takes HUGE risks, puts his body on the line. Is witty, and sarcastic. KNOWS kung-fu. This show has the best batman fight scenes ever, bar none. Batman actually practices martial arts in this show, something in which he hardly does anywhere else.

there were so many highlights to this how, it's a joke. i might write another post listing my favourite batman moments, or start one asking everyone else theirs. for now i'll leave you with my favourite. Simon Stagg walks into his office late at night, moving towards his chair which is facing the window. the chair starts to swivel around. Simon gasps. Sitting in the chair, like a gargoyle, totally relaxed, with all the time in the world, is the Batman. did everyone just get chills just now?

If your relgion is Batman the animated series, i encourage you to write a response detailing how it is superior to Beware the batman.

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Yeah, this was honestly one of my favorite versions of Batman since B:TAS. They really showed his psychological damage in a believable way, and they avoided all the cliche Batgod stuff we usually get.

It starts out a bit slow and I didn't like Shiva or Anarky as much as you did, but all the payoff was worth it and it made for exciting television.

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The DCAU stuff; BTAS, Justice League, Justice league Unlimited etc, are the gold standard. But I found this version to be a refreshing take on what has become a rather cookie-cutter genre.

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This I can agree with, I had some issues with this series and realistically that 90's arc of Batman and The Justice League are still so revered because they were actually quite stellar but I can appreciate that they tried to be different and brought a fresh spin to the archetype of Batman.

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They really showed his psychological damage in a believable way,

Agreed. In ep 18 "Games" it was especially telling in the epilogue where Batman says "I'm not Bruce Wayne." It was so daring to think the hero could get so lost in his dark persona that he lost sight of himself. That the writers could actually declare such a thing could happen is very brave and a refreshing take on the Batman.

Unfortunately I don't believe that WB was convinced that the show was reaching the target audience. The premises of the writing were much more darker than was envisioned for the Saturday morning cartoon crowd. It was much more intelligent and maturely themed than they were willing to handle that the show was put on hiatus after ep 18, and was finally aired (due to contractual obligations?) on a different network than the previous episodes.

Methinks the show's title was more apt than WB could imagine.

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Pretty much. While some of the plots and the way they're resolved had some hiccups, like the resolution to that story in "Doppelganger", all of the character beats were spot-on.

I do think that CN shelving the show had more to do with their hatred of action shows at the moment. This show just got caught in the crossfire.

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I still can't figure out why people need to choose between shows. Batman TAS was fantastic indeed, BTB is great too, why can't the fans accept all versions of Batman. Neither of them are closer to the source material because there isn't a definitive source material, there are thousands of different Batman stories and versions out there, if you just focus on one, you can't really be called a real fan.

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'firstly, people who think that BTAS is the best batman show ever made, or ever will be, need to stop being so precious about their show, and view BTB with an objective set of eyes.'

Pfffffffft.

First, you are not looking at the show with an 'objective' pair of eyes. No more than Batman: TAS fans look at their favourite Batman show.

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you haven't engage in ANY of my arguments, and you just prove my point really. btas has had such a profound effect on your conscience, that no other version will even come close to having the same impact on you that btas did. I call it; the Dark knight syndrome: the notion that no sequel will top the previous work, creating a bias that prevents reviewing the work on it’s own merits. it's like drug tolerance, with your drug being btas. if btas didn't exist, you'd be able to view btb on it's own merits and, and would probably hail it as the greatest batman cartoon ever made, which it is.

the fight scenes alone merit it being the best. where else have you seen batman engaging in ACTUAL kung-fu, besides batman v superman? that's what I thought. no-where else is batman a detective like he is in btb, not even the comics. no-where else do we see pov shot's of batman, observing details in a room, or vulnerable spots on an opponent. this show is brimming with innovation. and everything that exists in the show, exists in the comics, somewhere, making your point about "betraying the source material", void.

in a lot of respects, this show was more innovative, amore interesting, and more faithful to the character, than any of the films that have been made. The show is challenging. it doesn't give whiny batman fans the villains they are all familiar with, that have been done to death. it actually increases curiosity about obscure batman history.

are you able to view the show with objective eyes? i'm not so sure

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Totally agree with you, i enjoyed Beware The Batman and grew to love it, Anthony Ruivivar did an awesome job as Batman/Bruce Wayne

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And here i thought it was cancelled because the producers didn't like what these ignorant writers were doing to the Batman characters for this show and decided to pull the plug.
I'm not sure exactly why the show was pulled, but the execs at cartoon network have a history of cancelling shows abruptly; green lantern, young justice, even brave and the bold only ran two and a half seasons.

Still it makes no difference how many defend this show while thousands more hated it
it's difficult to get a gauge on how many people liked it/didn't like it.

1) They turned Alfred Pennyworth into a Lex Luthor knock off in terms of appearance.
I doubt many people had a problem with Alfred's appearance. He doesn't absolutely NEED a moustache to be Alfred Pennyworth.

Also was Katana's costume based on Kato from Green Hornet deliberately or is it just coincidence?
I didn't make that green hornet connection, but how cool is that! She is a female BRUCE LEE, and an apprentice to the BATMAN. so cool.

but it felt strange having her acting as his direct backup and apprentice.
strange that she's batman's apprentice? I think you're on your own on that one.

She didn't even wear her actual costume from the comics
agreed, it would've been cool to see her in her white mask etc.

4) Bruce's love interests weren't well known by mainstream. Ava Kirk? Dr. Bethanie Ravencroft? Where's Vicki Vale, Talia al Ghul, Selina Kyle, or even Julie Madison?
so? are you saying you couldn't understand what was happening because you were unfamiliar with these characters?

They should've had a balance of fresh and familiar characters from the start so that way they stood at least a partial chance of remaining on the air, cause I mean, it's Batman!
I think they balanced known and unknown characters pretty well. ras al ghul, lady shiva, the league, Harvey dent, man bat, deathstroke. Alfred, gordan, Barbara. one of the points of obscure villains is to encourage interest in them.

Don't wait till mid-season to bring in Harvey Dent. Bring him in from the start and let us see his journey to Two-Face as well as his friendship with both Batman and Bruce Wayne.
pretty much the entire second half of the season was dedicated to this.

but instead of using an unknown like Tobias Whale, let us see Carmine, Louisa, Johnny, Carla, Alberto, Mario, Sophia, etc.
do villains have to be known by everyone to be interesting?

and someone should slap them to get their heads out of their asses.
-HA!

[quoteno more of this experimentation crap. How hard it is to learn about what TAS did right and repeat it?][/quote] why repeat? don't you wanna see new stuff? TAS was new and innovative for its time, why not embrace the innovation of BTB?

Oh please... the Arkham Games are more interesting then this show put together
I haven't played any of those games, so I can't vouvh for that statement, but we are talking about cartoons here.

Dude you're an idiot...
are you a psychiatrist? you're probably right tho

I've seen past batman shows where batman did engaged in kung-fu
yeah but nothing tops the execution in btb, except bvs, in terms of speed and finesse, and executing ACTUAL martial arts moves.

and using his detective skills is nothing fancy
yeas, but the way he uses his skills, and the fact that the show emphasized his detective skills to a degree which no other screen version has, is the reason why it's important to the shows innovation.

Because the producers hated what the dumb writers were doing to the characters and decide to pull the plug
so you are a clairvoyant?

did I engage in your arguments?



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I'm not clairvoyant cause I naturally gave this show a chance in the beginning, but a part of me knew it would be a mistake if they used THIS version. I could feel it! I had hoped otherwise, but it let me and everyone else down like my instincts suggested.
you say you're not a clairvoyant, then say things like "part of me KNEW", and "I could feel it!", and "like my INSTINCTS suggested. Is this not clairvoyance? Aren't you making judgements about the show before seeing it? is this not the proclamations of a clairvoyant? help me out here.

Alfred who during the show acted like HE was Batman's teacher
I though it was cool how he could give bruce advice, and keep him on his toes, keep him sharp. it was also cool that Alfred manned the cave (and bat-computer) while bruce and katana were on missions, a role that Barbara gordan eventually took over.

Not to mention the overall pace of the series was too slow in most areas
go watch an old episode of the animated series, then watch as beware the batman episode, and take note of the pace/editing. btb feels more like the editing of a thriller. tas is painfully, datedly slow.

Batman got the wind knocked out of him more than he should've not showing near enough tact and ability essentially indicating he's hopeless without any assistance at any time leaving things more to chance than advanced strategy
it was great that the stories showed bruce as vulnerable and susceptible to injury. he does depend somewhat on outside help, but so what? I like how bruce improvised a lot of the time.

Save for that one time when he broke into his own mansion!
that was one of the coolest moments of the show

Also The streets of Gotham REALLY need more life on them cause this city is so empty.
go back and check out the streets in tas, they are just as empty

when the creators did such a piss poor job on the characters for this show.
they actually expanded on the characters from the comics, and made them way more interesting than their comic counterparts


Dude did you even see Frank Miller's Dark Knight returns, Batman vs. Robin, Son of Batman or Batman: Under the Red Hood?
it's way different in cgi, way cooler, more real, more depth. way more similar to martial arts on film. what would you rather see? martial arts animation, or martial arts on film? exactly

who are you trying to fool?
you, obviously. and all the precious, babyish whiny bitches who hold onto tas so tight, and though their tears and sniffly noses say "nothing beats the animated series! it's just the best OK!"

start playing those games and then get back to me on that
I'm not a gamer, and games are clearly a lot different to film/cartoons

case closed


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Give it a try, you might change your mind.
yeah I might give it a shot

instead of these idiots who didn't have a single clue on what they were doing for this show.
some of the writers were comic book writers like adam beechen, and len wein, a living legend. the writing was *beep* dope

. Pixar and Dreamworks does better CGI then this
-bigger budget

they didn't inspire that amount of feeling like in Batman: TAS from the 90s.
first of all, the animated series villains weren't that great, or that inspiring of pathos, except maybe 2facen clayface and freeze. magpie, humpty, metallo, manbat, were all richly written, at least on par with tas, and at times better. did you even watch the show?

he's someone who considers himself as a shadow form for Batman
-your interpretation. there are other interpretations were bruce is just as rich and deep a character as 'batman'.

refuse himself any humor
batman can have humour and still be batman. it's actually WAAAAY better when batman/bruce has snide back and forths between him and Alfred for instance.

Harvey Dent, he's just a jerk. A greedy, controlling coward
well he IS a villain

I though it was cool how he could give bruce advice, and keep him on his toes, keep him sharp. it was also cool that Alfred manned the cave (and bat-computer) while bruce and katana were on missions, a role that Barbara gordan eventually took over
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Still doesn't explain why he has to look like Lex luthor and don't give me that bullsh!t that he doesn't need to have hair and a mustache.
kind of a non-sequitur there, and you didn't respond to the argument. looks (specifically hair and a moustache) aren't everything

Instead he shattered that hope for me.
shattered hope! sorry I just love the phrasing

He is NOTHING like the freedom loving extremist that he was created to be. He's basically The Joker in an Anarky costume.
true. instead of anarchy being a political movement of freedom from a creeping capitalist state (or a deliberate fight against capitalist forces in gotham), anarky was more an ideological opposite to what batman was trying to impose: order. in this way he was more like joker from the dark knight (that's kinda cool tho right? he's like, proto-joker?).

And his second appearance? That was lame. Honestly. A gas that turns people into Banes? Really?
he's like the ultimate strategist, the archetypal chess-master opponent, like moriarty to Sherlock holmes!

That is why I wish they had gone with the Joker instead.
boring, been done

Professor Pyg and Toad were turned into simplistic goofballs in this show.
true, but pyg was pretty extreme in the comics. the writers said they were going for a "wind in the willows" type thing with those two. it kinda worked. I admit, they weren't my fav characters, nor many other people's.

making him brainwash people and turn them into his dollotrons in a more kid friendly way instead of this "Doctor Moreau" knockoff who wants to create humanoid animals instead of the Dollotrons
yeah I would've rather have seen this. dollotrons would've been great

Magpie was the only reoccurring villain who's rather inconsistent. First she's a mental case
yeah but doesn't that make sense, because she is mentally ill? I looooved magpie

I'd like to think she's replaced by Deathstroke
deathstroke sooooooooooo badass

This is all we see of Beware the Batman’s Two-Face, who doesn’t flip a coin, doesn’t have a mentality obsession with the number two, and wasn’t ever a good person before the scarring. After the scarring, he starts speaking of himself as “we” even before seeing that he has two faces behind the bandages and not just showing off the difference between his 2 eyes, mind you despite the fact that he displays no discernible difference in personality from his pre-scarring self. Dent is not Hush or Peyton Westlake/Darkman so we have every right to know what his scarred face looks like behind those stupid bandages so I can safely say that this is the worst take on Harvey Dent since Tommy Lee Jones in Batman Forever. the list goes on...
it's good that they took some chances instead of writing the characters EXACTLTY the way they were written in the comics. what's that phrase about life and variety and spice? they would've revealed two-face's face(s), in the second season if they ever got the chance

Call it a lucky guess cause sometimes i'm not always right but it doesn't mean i'm clairvoyance.
can't argue with that

[quote]Both when executed properly but in Beware the Batman's case, it's *beep* nuff said


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btw, you stole;

She's the only reoccurring villain who's rather inconsistent. First she's a mental case (you know, ASIDE from the usual mental cases), then she's a pseudo-Catwoman, then she's a DIFFERENT mental case, and then she's just a prop in the background. Fortunately, there are only a few episodes devoted to her, and then she's sort of forgotten about. I like to think she's replaced by Deathstroke.
from ikrani's review!

This is not Batman the Animated Series. It will NEVER be Batman the Animated Series. That being said, this is still a pretty solid show once you get past the boring bits.

The first few episodes are the worst. Granted, that's not unheard of for a new show, but it's only when an overarching storyline is established that the show starts to take off.

The show seems to take the Batman: Year One approach of giving us a Batman who hasn't quite fleshed out his routine yet. In the early episodes, he makes mistakes in battle and gets clocked more than once which results in a pretty noticeable injury. Anthony Ruivivar is no Kevin Conroy but his Batman sounds right nonetheless. It's his Bruce Wayne that's not quite up to snuff, since there's usually a subtle voice change between the two characters. Still, nothing distracting.

The supporting cast, for the most part, are good as well. The show takes the former MI6 version of Alfred and runs with it, though I'd be lying if I said it would've been stronger if they HADN'T told us about it from the get-go. Lt. Gordon keeps with the Batman: Year One feel in that he doesn't wholly trust Batman at first and even makes a few attempts to arrest him. That and he's Lt. Gordon, not Commissioner Gordon. Katana takes a while to flesh out her character, but eventually the plot allows her to develop a character that is similar but still different from Batman's. If only her costume was the same...

The one character they messed up was Barbara. They took this great female character and turned her into the Barbara Gordon from Frank Miller's All-Star Batman and Robin series: a devoted fangirl who spends just a little too much time thinking about Batman. This is sorted out later when she becomes Oracle (thankfully without taking a bullet to the spine), but not until the post-cancellation episodes.

The villains are a mixed bag. The best of the bunch is Deathstroke, to whom the entire storyline of the post-cancellation season is dedicated. I say he's the best because he'll be involved without you knowing it until you watch the entire arc, after which all the pieces fall into place and you realize just what an awesome villain Glen Murakami made him into. Then again, Glen made him just as awesome in his Teen Titans cartoon, so I think he's just good at it. Second best is Professor Pyg, who's not as violent here as he is in the comics but his professional approach to villainy makes some of his dialog pretty funny to boot. He gets a bit weaker in his final outing in Season 1, mostly due to the generic plot of the episode. For third-placer Anarky, it's the opposite. He starts off as this weak pseudo-Nolan Joker out to spread anarchy and chaos, though in post-cancellation his dialogue's finally ironed out and he becomes engaging, even pairing up with Harvey Dent. Yeah, Harvey Dent's in the series, and I don't think it will come as a surprise to anyone that he goes bad by the end. In fact, he's pretty much rotten from the get- go, constantly at odds with Batman while being best friends with Bruce Wayne. Tobias Whale is more or less your clichéd crime boss character, and Magpie... Well... I really don't know what to say on Magpie. She's the only reoccurring villain who's rather inconsistent. First she's a mental case (you know, ASIDE from the usual mental cases), then she's a pseudo-Catwoman, then she's a DIFFERENT mental case, and then she's just a prop in the background. Fortunately, there are only a few episodes devoted to her, and then she's sort of forgotten about. I like to think she's replaced by Deathstroke.

I once heard from someone that works on this show that it would be getting a second season, and just as well since Episode 26 ends on not one, not two, but FOUR cliffhangers, two of which involve The Terminator himself. I only hope CN takes it off Toonami and puts it back on the afternoon block where Justice League and previous DC shows once stood. And now that it's been almost a year since its cancellation, might as well wish Bob Kane and Bill Finger would rise from the dead and tell WB to stop mucking up their comic adaptations.


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easy_friend-1, Your totally right on that and i agree, Beware The Batman is one of my new favorite shows, i've grown to love it, and i love how they focused on Batman's primary characteristics is him as the brilliant detective that he is and the writers totally nailed it, the storyline was clever, and the voice acting from Anthony Ruivivar and the cast is brilliant, surprisingly, it not only caters to kids but also grown up adults, because some things i saw in Beware The Batman were not kid friendly, very good balance

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nah kevin conroy is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overrated. just because he was the first guy to really express the batman voice in a non cartoony way, people think he's the greatest batman voice actor ever. my money's on Diedrich Bader

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nice to hear from a fan! there are so few true fans of this I think.

i love how they focused on Batman's primary characteristics is him as the brilliant detective
agreed; he was SUCH a detective in this. I loved the pov shots of bruce scoping things out in a room etc



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I don't think you know anything about Batman and only watched this show to satisfy your pointless logic. You never even gave your thoughts on other Batman related shows or movies like Frank Miller's Dark Knight returns, Batman vs. Robin, Son of Batman Batman: Under the Red Hood etc and just worship a dead show like Beware the Batman as if it was the ONLY show EVER made. Pathetic... Frankly i'm done arguing with you because you're a pointless human being who can't seem to grasp the logic that i was pointing out to this show.

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Frank Miller's Dark Knight returns,
i haven't seen it in a while. i think there were some good elements to it, like some of the 80s style soundtrack, but overall meh.

Batman vs. Robin, Son of Batman
ain't seen em

Batman: Under the Red Hood
pretty *beep* awesome, altho the ending was kind of a downer. im not a fan of this super dour depressed batman

just worship a dead show like Beware the Batman as if it was the ONLY show EVER made
i love brave and the bold, and on leather wings and say of the samurai from tas

Pathetic... Frankly i'm done arguing with you because you're a pointless human being
yeah, but i made some good points tho right?

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yeah, but i made some good points tho right?

No you haven't. You bragging that Alfred doesn't absolutely NEED hair and a moustache to be Alfred Pennyworth or Harvey Dent being a total jerk and not being friends with Batman from the start only tells me that you don't know anything about Batman let alone who they are supposed to be.

Look you like Beware the Batman for what it is fine but i'm sticking to my facts that it was the Worst show ever made since that live action show 2002 Birds Of Prey. And beside Rino Romano did a better young Batman from the 2004 cartoon The Batman then Tony Ruivivar. That was my FAVORITE Batman animated series. Loved everything about it except it didn't have 2-Face, Ra's Al ghul or Scarecrow but that was due to some stupid Bat-embargo. Especially love The Batman movie, Batman vs Dracula by adding the horror element to the series which made it my favorite Batman series. End of Story....

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You know what, Beware The Batman may not be your cup of tea, you can't forcibly go around the board telling others your personal preferences, everyone has their favorites and their interpretations on how they see in the character. It;s fine you like rino romano as batman, but i much prefer Anthony Ruivivar better as Batman and Bruce Wayne and he also voiced his father Thomas Wayne, i like how they portrayed his character, the writing, storyline is what matters the most, period.

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I'm not telling anyone to not like the Beware the Batman, i'm just stating facts on what went wrong with the show. Like you said, everyone has their favorites and their interpretations on how they see in the character.

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@ easy_friend-1, Let's forget ShadowHawk28, this selfish guy goes around forcibly telling everyone in the board his personal preference.

yeah, but i made some good points tho right?


I agree once again you do have some good points, and i love Beware The Batman, very true to the character, it went back to it's dark and brooding atmosphere, and Anthony Ruivivar is awesome and as Batman and Bruce Wayne and his father Thomas Wayne

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i like how they portrayed his character, the writing, storyline is what matters the most, period
agreed. the writing and the storytelling are what shine through the most. what was also great about the show was the overarching story structure. there were stand alone self contained episodes, and story lines and threads that progressed over several episodes. it's similar to the ghost in the shell tv series. glen muramaki is a great producer


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Disagreed, Rino Romano did a better young Batman from the 2004 cartoon The Batman then Tony Ruivivar.  And the writing and the storytelling are what shine through the most. What was also great about the show was the overarching story structure. There were stand alone self contained episodes, and story lines and threads that progressed over several episodes. Glen muramaki was also a producer on that show too.

But the biggest problem I have with it is how quickly the supervillians get out again after being locked up. Batman faced the Joker multiple times in the first two seasons, for example, and always caught him at the end of every episode in which he faced him. I know the show is just a cartoon, and meant to be enjoyed by kids, but even kids can spot flaws like this -- why would Joker keep getting sent back to Arkham when it obviously can't hold him? Seriously, there was one episode, in season 2, where Batman put him away, and he's out again to be the villain in the very next episode.

The same applies to the Penguin. He was really overused as as well.

The other issue I have with the series really, is that Batman has way too much trouble with low-level thugs. I'm not surprised this is Beware the batman's lost twin. Episodes where he fights Joker, or the Ventriloquist, and so on, this is the freaking Batman -- he should be able to deal with their goons with very little problem, but over and over again, you see him having a hard time with them.

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Your opinion, and the thing is Anthony Ruivivar said that Batman is not perfect in this show, he has not yet fully developed into Batman we knew, he's in his early years, but did you see the shocking episode where Batman almost killed Killer Croc all because Alfred left, Batman became much more brooding in his personality, don't forget Batman uses his mind as well to outsmart his enemies, look what he did to Ra'a Al Ghul, or Magpie, Batman won in the end, you like rino ramano that's fine i respect that, i much prefer Anthony Ruivivar better, i liked how they concentrated mostly on his brilliant detective skills, and The Joker and Penguin? They are not in this series

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Your opinion, I never said Joker and penguin (except for that stupid easter egg of penguin's wanted poster which didn't do the show any favors) are in beware the batman but I also liked how they concentrated mostly on his brilliant detective skills how he uses his mind as well to outsmart his enemies in that 2004 The batman cartoon too so it's nothing fancy.

I'm very disappointed with the way they handled Harvey Dent in this show. They totally ruined him by taking out the ->fundamental core<- of what makes the character so interesting and tragic. Oh and having Dent be enemies with Batman before he become Two-Face is very out of character. Whoever wrote Dent's character in this show should have been fired from the writing production so spare me the bullsh!t about they wanted Dent to be different then the other Dents.

Two-Face is my favorite Batman villain because of his former friendship with both Bruce Wayne and Batman. Harvey Dent was Batman's ally before Gordon in most continuities. The "friendship" between the three is one of my favorite story threads in Batman lore. Dent was there in the early career of Batman such as Year 1 & The Long Halloween. In this show, they turned Dent into a total jerk with no ->psychological problems<- before he gets scarred which defeats the tragedy of the character itself.

Despite Batman saving his life, Dent remains ungrateful and antagonistic, gaining funding for his Special Crimes Unit to hunt down people like Batman. Like i said, there was not enough of the tragic tale of Harvey Dent. Letting us connect with the character Harvey Dent before the transformation is what makes Two-Face work so well. Just look at Batman: TAS's Dent and then here. You'll know they dropped the ball on this one.

I don't blame Christopher McDonald for the role he was given, he could have been an awesome Dent if not for the crappy material he had to work with. Harvey Dent is much better when he starts off working hand-in-hand with Batman before he becomes Two-Face. Why they removed that is beyond me.  Oh and to add salt over an open wound, he doesn't even have a coin to flip.

As epiphanyundermoonlight said, I think the issue I and others have with this version isn't the decision to do something different, but that it ultimately wasn't done well.

I'm someone who's always eager for someone to do something different and show a new side of a familiar story. But the main issue you face when taking a new path to a tried and true fandom is you don't have the luxury of being sloppy which Beware the Batman was really sloppy. You have to make your story 10x more compelling and amazing for the mere fact that if you don't produce something that makes people stare in amazement then they'll dismiss it in favor of the standard. With Harvey Dent (and this entire series) they could have done a lot with the changes and made you come on their side and approve of a new variation in the typical Batman mythos, but instead the series is seriously lacking.

I would like to see Two-Face just as much as the next person but the writers really dropped the ball on their part when they put Dent in this show as well as denying us the chance to see what Dent's scarred face looks like after the explosion as well as not having his trademark coin to flip. Either that or they were too damn cheap to spend a lot of time and money building a brand-new CGI model just for one brief scene to show what Dent's scarred face looks like since I'm a big Two-Face Fan and not seeing his scarred face after the accident just feels like a complete rip off since i'm left with stupid speculations on what his scarred face looks like and it's all the writers fault.

This is how getting cancelled was a good thing as I doubt the writing quality would've improved in season 2 seeing as how they messed up the characters for this show including Dent and Alfred who for no reason looks like Lex Luthor. It's like some moron in the production is a huge superman fan and wanted to make alfred look like Lex Luthor in terms of appearance.

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I'm very disappointed with the way they handled Harvey Dent in this show
you've said that a hundred *beep* times, get the *beep* over it. grow the *beep* up, dent doesn't have to be written to your specifications for the character to be interesting, and worthy of being in the show.

totally ruined him by taking out the ->fundamental core<- of what makes the character so interesting and tragic
not really; he was a law abiding public servant who had an accident, which affected his psyche. what is missing here from the fundamental core of his character?

The "friendship" between the three is one of my favorite story threads in Batman lore
they were hardly friends in the dark knight film, is that a terrible expression of Harvey dent's character too?

I'm someone who's always eager for someone to do something different and show a new side of a familiar story
you're contradicting yourself. "something different and show a new side of a familiar story" is precisely what they gave you. idiot.

Beware the Batman was really sloppy
sloppy is the least true word you could use to describe this show.

dismiss it in favor of the standard
*beep* the standard

Alfred who for no reason looks like Lex Luthor
uhggggh. whatever. that's literally the most trivial point you could make. "OOOOOOAAArrrr, my favorite butler doesn't look ANYTHING like he does in the comics or animated series! there's no way I can take him seriously now! where's his moustache? where is it? I can't recognize him without his trademark upper lip hair! this show is a travesty! I can't tell whether he is Alfred or lex luthor! lex luthor could've secretly infiltrated wayne manor without anyone noticing!" BLAH BLAH BLAH *beep* BLAH

Move to a small town. Where the rule of law still exists

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uhggggh. whatever. that's literally the most trivial point you could make. "OOOOOOAAArrrr, my favorite butler doesn't look ANYTHING like he does in the comics or animated series! there's no way I can take him seriously now! where's his moustache? where is it? I can't recognize him without his trademark upper lip hair! this show is a travesty! I can't tell whether he is Alfred or lex luthor! lex luthor could've secretly infiltrated wayne manor without anyone noticing!" BLAH BLAH BLAH *beep* BLAH

Dude you really are a moron.... they both happen to be in the same universe, If they put both Alfred and Lex in the same room together you'd be confused as to why there are 2 lex luthors or in your case 2 alfreds.  I can't believe someone like you is that ignorant who can't even see that.

not really; he was a law abiding public servant who had an accident, which affected his psyche. what is missing here from the fundamental core of his character?

Where's the psychological problem that Dent has before the accident? That's the fundamental core cause i didn't see it. all i saw was a jerk who could have been any other nameless character...

you're contradicting yourself. "something different and show a new side of a familiar story" is precisely what they gave you. idiot.

1st of all, it was that user epiphanyundermoonlight aka appleblack that said that so take it up with him. i'm just quoting what he said, moron....

they were hardly friends in the dark knight film, is that a terrible expression of Harvey dent's character too

At least Dent in Dark Knight starts off working hand-in-hand with Batman before he becomes Two-Face then this crappy version. Name me 1 episode in this show that Dent EVER worked with Batman.

you've said that a hundred *beep* times, get the *beep* over it. grow the *beep* up

The same can be said about you, we get that you like this show so why don't YOU make a season 2 for this show and find a network to support it. If not, get the *beep* over it and move on...

*beep* the standard

Nobody asked you, many "True" Batman fans prefer the standards over this garbage.

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.... they both happen to be in the same universe, If they put both Alfred and Lex in the same room together you'd be confused as to why there are 2 lex luthors or in your case 2 alfreds
not if lex has red hair like in the comics

1st of all, it was that user epiphanyundermoonlight aka appleblack that said that so take it up with him
but you quoted him, so obviously you agree with the quote. still idiot

everything else you've said I've replied to in earlier posts. you're just repeating yourself

Move to a small town. Where the rule of law still exists

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not if lex has red hair like in the comics

Lex luthor was bald threw out the comics so nice try...

but you quoted him, so obviously you agree with the quote. still idiot

everything else you've said I've replied to in earlier posts. you're just repeating yourself


Pot calling the kettle black, you do the same with the "I like this version of Batman" and have jportega-19745 agreeing with you so you're not any different then me.

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Let's ignore ShadowHawk, which i did, this guy is so depressed, what he says is not a fact but only an opinion, when i mentioned The Joker and Penguin because he said it in his other lost post, he said "I never said Joker and Penguin" and i'm like Yes he did, i'm not blind reading what he typed, he keeps ranting on about Two-Face, well that;s his problem, no wonder selfish people like him is the reason Beware The Batman did not get a second season, it's their fault for not giving it a chance, i love Beware The Batman it's a great show with clever writing and story as it progressed in each episodes, Anthony Ruivivar did awesome as Batman, Bruce Wayne and surprisingly Thomas Wayne, a voice uniquely distinct, it's like we thought it was a different voice actor, but it's really Anthony himself, shows what a talented voice actor and actor he is

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B:TAS also had Batman constantly losing to regular thugs while taking out ninjas easily. It's not a "problem" exclusive to The Batman or Beware.

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Exactly, Batman did defeat Magpie once in a hand to hand fight, almost killed and brutalized Killer Croc all because Alfred left Batman, and Batman outsmarted Ra's Al Ghul using the Soul Taker Sword, Anthony Ruivivar the voice of Batman and Bruce Wayne said that his Batman is not perfect, he sometimes make mistakes, this is his early years, i love how Beware The Batman focused on Batman's brilliant detective skills

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Pros: It was the closest to TAS in quality of story. The use of lesser known villains.

Cons: The CGI animation it was worse than Green Lantern. Alfred as a killer spy and Katana.

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I've never seen this show, I don't know what channel it's on or what time so ive never been able to. Im not crazy about the animation and some of the villains sound lame but it's not my place to bash on the show if I haven't even seen it yet

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Well I've seen and I got used to it and ended up loving Beware The Batman, same with Batman Beyond, at first I wasn't sure if I was going to like it, I gave it a chance and loved the show, same with Beware The Batman, in Beware The Batman, I liked how they focused on one of Batman's primary characteristics is his brilliant detective skills, this show not only caters to kids, but surprisingly towards adults as well

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I have watched each animated version of batman an I will say this is the weakest of the three Batman the animated series is an amazing show.The batman is a good kids show with weaker sillier stories but fun this show is good but not great its the weakest of the three shows the stories are fine the look of batman though isnt amazing an making two face a villain before he becomes two face is bad writing still this is a good show

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Well to me in my opinion, Beware The Batman is my new favorite show, the story and writing is amazing, every Batman design look is unique on its own, especially this Batman in Beware The Batman and he looks cool and has a intelligent badassness to his character, and I have said this before I like how they focused on his primary characteristics which is his brilliant detective skills, and I have to say that not only this show caters to kids but adults as well because there are some elements in it are NOT kid friendly.

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