the scene when the mom wore her daughter's cloth and she touched that guy then , when she went to the police officer and kissed him , when she went to her husband and forced him to have sex with her
didn't that lead that she was a whore ?!
and where dis this girl go in the end ?!
i think she is being *beep* now !
How insightful and eloquently phrased..
The quote "She didn't get it from me", is not open to interpretation. He meant his wife has always been interested in sex, you may see that as her being a "whore", like he did, this speaks volumes as to your character.
He was sexually repressed in the extreme, he saw it as something shameful and embarrassing. Perhaps he was shameful of the feelings his daughter elicited in himself and consciously shut that side of his life down? Perhaps he'd always had issues with sex but when he realised his daughter was growing up to be free spirited and sexual, it pushed him over the edge.
His wife's behavior was not shameful or whorish (horrible word). She was absolutely grief stricken and in a state of mental breakdown. She needed affection and touch and just to feel something and she wasn't going to get that from her husband.
i got u dude
i didn't get the movie events properly so i failed in interpretation
i think your interpretation is close , thx so much ^^
Wow!
How rare to see a apology in this space.
Good stuff, you're an honest man.
How rare to see a apology in this space.An unwarranted apology. allush-29143 said nothing wrong. The daughter was a slut. I get it that today people don't want to hear that, because they want to be able to rub their genitals against anything, at any time, without shame, but that is simply a denial of the truth. The mother and daughter both had mental issues and were trashy whores.
You didn't fail in anything. You were right the first time. The mother and daughter were trashy sluts.
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His wife's behavior was not shameful or whorish (horrible word).
You're a simpleton, you lack basic understanding regarding human behavior. More depressingly, the opinions you express suggest a deep misogyny but that's for you to live with.
shareYou may not be a simpleton, but you are extremely self-deluded, and if *anyone* is lacking a basic understanding of what is and what isn't appropriate sexual contact, well, take a look in the bloody mirror! Someone that makes excuses up for someone guilty of sexual assault, I consider them at *least* as sick as the perp, if not even more sick, whether it's portrayed in fiction like a novel or film or not.
Her behaviour absolutely *was* shameful, and beyond that, it was *criminal*. She was a predator, plain and simple. *Most* depressingly, you are accusing someone of being a misogynist with absolutely zero evidence to support that, while your gender-bias is almost screaming off the bloody page! You really should seek some professional help yourself.
Your giving of the mother's character a complete pass on her out-and-out predatory behavior shows that you're the one with the issues, not the poster that you so bizarrely attacked; or maybe I may just be a moron, or perhaps I watched a completely different film, but I didn't exactly see her have a lot of concern with the whole concept of consent! She *sexually assaulted* two characters, if not also her husband; are you so complete daft with your gender-blinders so firmly attached that you cannot see that simple and obvious fact?
Put the father in each of those scenes; now switch the men out for women, and honestly, ask yourself if you'd be making up the same bull$hit excuse for the father, that, poor little lamb, he's just sexually repressed! His wife doesn't love him or give him enough attention! Complete and utter balderdash; the double-standard on clear display in your comments is so vilely disgusting, it, without a bit of exaggeration, makes me so nauseating that I feel like I could have vomited after reading your near-psychotically deluded comments.
You truly, truly, have some serious issues yourself, *not* the poster whose character you so disgustingly attacked with no valid cause. Wake up. Seriously. Wake the f up. You sound as demented as Nicole Kidman's character was, if not even moreso.
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shareI'd say, Greg, that this film just went totally -- whoosh -- right over your head, as well as the heads of most reviewers/critics/posters here. Ah well, that's what happens when artists overestimate the maturity and intelligence of their audience...ξ
shareor fail to communicate with the audience.
shareYou lost me when you resorted to personal attacks because someone didint agree with your opinion.
I see the woman had past experiences sleeping around which her husband was aware of and clearly stated his daughter got it from her mother. Your preconceived notions and biases are clear as you deep seatedly went on the offensive when someone said she was a whore. You cannot make excuses and falsely psychoanaylze a characters actions because you want them to be the way you want to see them as. The woman was a whore and was rejected because they didn't want to take part in her infertility.
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I disagree, that was not sexual repression, she was an out-and-out sexual predator. We tend not to see what's right in front of us when it comes to women because we're kind of taught by society not to consider women in that light. Think of the utter shock when a female teacher or a mother of a teenage boy is exposed as being a predator with underage male or female students, or underage friends of their children.
Because we don't like to think of women as having the potential to molest someone, let alone their own children, we have a knee-jerk reaction to give them a pass on predatory behavior, and chalk it up to sexual repression. We also have a tendency to finger the father as the source of the problem, even when all the clues are pointing to the woman, as they are in this film. In fact, I think the director was trying to point this very phenomenon out through the film.
Imagine all the deviant behavior that the wife exhibited, all those scenes and encounters, and now imagine them with the father in her place, and with women instead of men being on the receiving end; would you chalk his behavior up to sexual repression? Of course not, you would recognize it as compulsive and predatory behavior immediately. I think the director was attempting to shine a light on this societal phenomenon.
When the husband confronted the wife, I really don't think he was referring to her sexual past, but confronting her about what she had done with and to her own daughter.
It's always shocking so shocking when a women is exposed as a statutory rapist. When a man does it, it's almost like there is an expectation/understanding that there are many men out there that are sexual predators. There are women out there that are as well. Trust me, I was molested as a child by a female babysitter in her late teens... it happens.
So let me sum up for you; when a man does it, he's a sexual predator. When a woman does it, she's suffering from an uncontrollable sexual reprehension, and her husband should be castigated for not providing her with affection. My Lord, you are one sick and transparent person.
shareSo let me sum up for you; when a man does it, he's a sexual predator. When a woman does it, she's suffering from an uncontrollable sexual repression and not responsible for her actions, and her husband should be castigated for not providing her with the proper affection that forced her to sexually assault two men, one of them if not underage, then pretty darn close to it. My Lord, you are one sick and transparent person.
shareWhat the fvck dude.. Seriously?? If you'd made one post I may have read it. As the situation stands, I will respond to this last one..
So let me sum up for you; when a man does it, he's a sexual predator. When a woman does it, she's suffering from an uncontrollable sexual repression and not responsible for her actions
forced her to sexually assault two men, one of them if not underage, then pretty darn close to it.
I think the sheriff tells Bridie about being 18 and that there are laws regarding sex with minors. Bridie does not get the point. There is also a point made that birdie did not really understand sex because early the movie the sheriff tells Bridie to keep his little brother out while he was sex Bridie's sister. Bridie did not seem to get that reference either. At very least Bridie can not give consent which is an important of sex or rape. I suppose we can ignore that and give Mrs. Parker a big pass on consent.
shareYou're saying that the mentally retarded can never give consent?
shareYounger people are not generally mentally developed enough to give consent. Once they turn 18 then they are fair game. However, some individuals may never be able to give consent. Someone with the IQ of a young child maybe such an example. Another is a vegetable. Lets not forget the ruffie cocktail victims.
shareYou are just too kind to the mother character....Geesh man, it's obviously the mother that was molested at some time in here life. You see why the guy lives in separate beds because he can't get any sleep at all with momma always grabbing his crotch want a little skeet skeet, and think about why Tommy the boy can't sleep at night because of all the bump'n and grind' going on in mom and dads room , not to mention the squeeling and head board banging. And of course the promiscuous Lilly was always hanging down at the skate park, there was a box car with a bed and all the boys she wanted. Dad was innocent. And as for the Lilly seducing the older men, she was just like her mother, remember the beginning when she could care less how here daughter dressed. This behavior was learned, Momma was not the best role model for little Lilly. Do you really think that she loved the ugly aborigine character , no way was that real love, because for Lilly, love was sex. Kids learn theses traits at young ages and if not checked earlier in the first stages of life, it's not an easy thing to change, that's my take on it.......the teachers wife knew it was the little girls fault as much as the teachers fault, Lilly although young, was way to sultry dressed and not bad looking either. Australian towns are small and the female selection is limited, I don't agree with the morality and ethics of the plot but I do see that it makes a valid story, meep meep, that's all folks, Roadrunn3rr50
Cup 1/2 full or cup 1/2 empty? I say "The cup is too damn big"~Roadrunn3rr
How insightful and eloquently phrased..
The quote "She didn't get it from me", is not open to interpretation. He meant his wife has always been interested in sex, you may see that as her being a "whore", like he did, this speaks volumes as to your character.
He was sexually repressed in the extreme, he saw it as something shameful and embarrassing. Perhaps he was shameful of the feelings his daughter elicited in himself and consciously shut that side of his life down? Perhaps he'd always had issues with sex but when he realised his daughter was growing up to be free spirited and sexual, it pushed him over the edge.
His wife's behavior was not shameful or whorish (horrible word). She was absolutely grief stricken and in a state of mental breakdown. She needed affection and touch and just to feel something and she wasn't going to get that from her husband.
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Actually that is open to interpretation and you explained very well what your interpretation was. Another interpretation is that the mother was mentally unstable and that he blames what the daughter got involved in on the mother.
shareThe quote "She didn't get it from me", is not open to interpretation. He meant his wife has always been interested in sex, you may see that as her being a "whore", like he did, this speaks volumes as to your character."interested in sex" is your watered down phrasing as you try to deny that there was something seriously wrong with the mother and daughter. The daughter's scrapbook show's you how messed up her psyche is. "Ride the snake"? You think this is something wholesome and natural for a 15 year old girl to be writing? And then drawing a heart with the word *beep* in the middle? It was clear the daughter equated sex with love and you're sick for trying to say this is normal.
He was sexually repressed in the extreme, he saw it as something shameful and embarrassing. Perhaps he was shameful of the feelings his daughter elicited in himself and consciously shut that side of his life down? Perhaps he'd always had issues with sex but when he realised his daughter was growing up to be free spirited and sexual, it pushed him over the edge.Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps... All you're doing is projecting and supposing. And there was nothing in this movie to support your suppositions. He did nothing to lead you to believe he was sexually repressed. He didn't want to have sex that one night, because it was hot and he wasn't in the mood. I guess in your mind a person should never "not be in the mood" unless they're sexually repressed, in the extreme.
His wife's behavior was not shameful or whorish (horrible word). She was absolutely grief stricken and in a state of mental breakdown. She needed affection and touch and just to feel something and she wasn't going to get that from her husband.The word whorish is well chosen to describe the mother and daughter, horrible or not. Being absolutely grief stricken doesn't lead normal people into a sexual frenzy. For normal people sex is the last thing on a grief stricken persons mind. Only sluts and people with mental issues would need sex at that time. Hugging or being held are natural needs but intercourse is selfish and disrespectful under conditions of losing a loved one. Sure the entertainment industry depicts this, because they're allowed to portray any twisted character they want, but it's not common or natural.
Anti-PC John.. Right..
"interested in sex" is your watered down phrasing as you try to deny that there was something seriously wrong with the mother and daughter. The daughter's scrapbook show's you how messed up her psyche is. "Ride the snake"? You think this is something wholesome and natural for a 15 year old girl to be writing? And then drawing a heart with the word *beep* in the middle? It was clear the daughter equated sex with love and you're sick for trying to say this is normal.
Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps... All you're doing is projecting and supposing. And there was nothing in this movie to support your suppositions. He did nothing to lead you to believe he was sexually repressed. He didn't want to have sex that one night, because it was hot and he wasn't in the mood. I guess in your mind a person should never "not be in the mood" unless they're sexually repressed, in the extreme.
The word whorish is well chosen to describe the mother and daughter, horrible or not. Being absolutely grief stricken doesn't lead normal people into a sexual frenzy. For normal people sex is the last thing on a grief stricken persons mind. Only sluts and people with mental issues would need sex at that time. Hugging or being held are natural needs but intercourse is selfish and disrespectful under conditions of losing a loved one. Sure the entertainment industry depicts this, because they're allowed to portray any twisted character they want, but it's not common or natural.
The word whore is pretty horrible, as is the word slut. It's bad enough that they're used pejoratively to brand people as immoral or dirty for.. enjoying sex, but the fact that they're applied almost exclusively to women is just shameful.
As a man that would *beep* a different woman every day of the week if he could (and who would only be applauded for doing so..), if I hear you using those terms, I am going to make it a problem.
She is not a whore, whores get paid for sex, she is just a nympho.
The pure and simple truth is rarely pure and never simple. O. Wilde
Is't that obsolete already? Poor women, they can't enjoy sex without being labeled... Them pigs men, they can fool around and are admired for that... That's a little last century, at least in the current western civilisation.
Vacation's when you go somewhere ... and you don't ever come back.
When it comes to the girl's ultimate fate, there are no clear answers. However, it is notable that the older 'aboriginal' woman mentions toward the end, almost in passing, that a lot of children have disappeared in the area. It's the land, she says. But, a girl getting into a car in the dead of night, and never being heard from again... Sure, on the one hand she might have hitchhiked to the other end of the continent. However, the movie does leave open the dark possibility that the girl falls victim to a serial killer -- perhaps even someone she previously befriended in town (even at the infamous skate park) and agreed on the 'pickup' in advance.
As far as the mother's behavior: the key, I think, is the question she poses to her husband -- are we bad parents? It seems that following the trauma of the daughter's abuse by a teacher, the mother-daughter relationship broke down at least as badly as the wife-husband relationship. Such a distancing and even alienation sometimes happens with teenage children, even when they have not been horribly violated and deeply scarred by a sexual predator (i.e. the teacher.)
The movie gives every impression that the mother at the beginning of the story does not really understand her child any more -- perhaps is even actively or subconsciously repressing or avoiding the subject and averting her eyes because it's too painful to contemplate, finding it much easier to just pretend that everything is alright -- and either has no idea or suppresses all suspicions of what her daughter is going through, or what she gets up to -- until it is too late. Much of the mother's character arc is about eventually confronting her own denial and pain, searching for the truth, with a growing desperation, and ultimately uncovering horrible revelations about her daughter's state of mind, and through that about herself.
By the time she puts on her daughter's clothes, she is really trying to get into her daughter's frame of mind, to see the world through her eyes and understand her from the inside out -- even if it's too late. By that time, she is wracked with terrible guilt; she feels she has failed her daughter, and failed in her duties as a parent and a mother. The guilt, the grief, the terror for her daughter, the sense of alienation, condemnation, and isolation -- if not outright rejection -- that she perceives from her husband and everyone else, including her own conscience: she is left with no outlet, nobody to confide in, nobody to offer her a shoulder to cry on. So she turns to drink. But she is not merely self-medicating: she is, in a way, punishing herself as well. She is starting to feel and internalize some of the self-destructive, self-hating, self-negating impulse that drove her daughter. And so, when she is at her most vulnerable and empathic (not to mention intoxicated), here walks in her daughter's avowed 'Black Prince'. Her advances upon him are double-edged. On the one hand, she is play-acting her daughter as a form of ongoing self-flagellation; on the other hand, she is passive-aggressively confronting him about what he has done, or what he allowed her daughter to do. It is as much about self-abnegation and heartbreak as it is about lashing out, shaming, and accusation. It is not, in the end, an admirable thing to do -- particularly since the guy is obviously mentally challenged and cannot be rationally blamed for anything that happened. But it is an act that is irrational, deeply human, and understandable with a bit of empathy and imagination. And no, it is neither 'predatory' nor 'whorish'. Context makes all the difference, and there is a lot of subtle context here.
Perhaps with the above in mind, her behavior toward the cop and her husband becomes a bit more understandable as well -- as is her ultimate literal and figurative denuding, shaming, and excoriation of herself in front of the whole town and the entire universe. In the end, she perhaps does not articulate it explicitly but through her actions screams at everyone and everything to let her daughter come back, to take her instead, to somehow let her daughter's burdens and suffering be transferred unto her, to let her child live and be healed even if she should die in her place.
As for "she didn't get it from me", this was a father equally repressed, distanced, and in denial of both what happened and his own grief and terror -- blaming his daughter's initial victimization and subsequent suffering and inability to get over it on her (the victim's) perceived character flaws. Mother and daughter both had been free-spirited, uninhibited, and sexual beings -- but none of those attributes are vices in themselves. The father fails to grasp (until almost the very end) that his daughter was suffering horribly but could neither properly express nor deal with her inner turmoil and demons due to her immaturity compounded by all the typical teenage foibles, as well as her own family's lack of empathy, understanding, and support. He takes refuge in the easy, coarse, and false platitudes like 'she did it to herself', 'it's all her own fault', 'something is fundamentally wrong with her', 'she is a whore', 'she hates and/or deliberately wants to hurt us' -- and thus his outburst to his wife. But it is not something that is well thought-out or heart-felt, and in the closing scenes of the movie it is clearly not what he really feels in his heart, now that he is starting to understand things more clearly and deeply.
Good job, this was really well-worded! I agree with you on all counts.
I think Nicole Kidman's character was a "wild" teenager, sexually active, and was "tamed" (in his mind) when she married her husband. She was also miserable in that new, frontier town, with nowhere to go, no one to talk to, no friends, her relationship with her children a mess, no intimacy (physical or emotional) with her husband, just cooped up in the house all day with nowhere to go but outside into a dust storm.
I think the husband turned his stress "inward," and had been ignoring his wife's needs for some time. She tries to encourage him to talk to her, but he turns away. I struggle with this with my bf, and it stings - and we are casually dating with separate groups of friends, I can only imagine if this happened from the one person in my life that I was close to.
I think the entire family (including, to some degree, the little boy) resented the hell out of Lily for "causing" the family to move away from their hometown. Lily, in turn, resented her father for forcing her to leave her friends and school. This behavior - the moving to the sticks - is just another example of the father not being in touch with his or anyone's emotions - instead of therapy etc for Lily, he unilaterally decides on a move which is guaranteed to make everyone (including him) miserable.
Jeez, neither mother nor father were molesting their children. Lily was molested at age 7 ("she just changed" says Nicole), and was involved in a highly inappropriate, illegal relationship with her teacher (which predicated the move). There is a restraining order on both sides, definitely between the teacher and Lily, but also by the father and teacher (I'd imagine he beat the hell out of the teacher at some point). I also inferred that the father was probably able to avoid being sued by the teacher for whatever action he took (the teacher says he "ruined his life" and his wife looks genuinely afraid) if he left - but, instead of taking responsibility for beating on/destroying the property of the teacher, he blames Lily.
Lastly - I believe Lily was abducted and murdered. She showed numerous times that she had overly open boundaries. She got into the car with the wrong man, and her luck ran out. I like to think she left Tom because she knew she wasn't being safe and thought he would make it back home, but he got lost in the dust storm instead.
They're coming to get you, Barbara!
To sum it all up, like mom like daughter. Reading between the lines, Lily was the local crack-whore, and one night she might have decided she gonna go big. Maybe take up a contract with girlsoutwest. Now that she was gone, mummy dearest decided to take up the mantle; and what better way than to use ol' Bertie to loosen up a bit. When that dint work out she thought middle-aged Rae would be a better bet. When that bombed, she went nude through the streets to see if anyone was willing. That failed, she realized it was finally time to hang her boots, give her 50 year old shriveled poo$$i its due rest and return to her loyal pimp(who knows?). Stranger'lund' - The End.
Never be afraid to call a spade a spade and a hooker, a hooker(they give you a discount then)