So if they do speak telepathically and share thoughts or whatever then why is it when the action starts and you see the robot people moving together and attacking the leader is using military signals instead of just telling them telepathically.
shareHand signals was faster.
shareFaster than thought? You think the gesture before you do it.
shareIt's quicker to interpret hand signals / gestures than another persons thoughts as long as it's not a complicated route. I don't have access to the film anymore but suspect others here may be right about there not being many telepaths in it.
shareWell, I think there's some flaw in your logic that telepathy would be processed slower than visual stimuli. I have never seen it portrayed as having a delayed effect in a film before. It's always shown as if both the telepath and the recipient were simultaneously sharing their thoughts. Regarding the way they speak in the film, however, I think it's a little of both. It was explained that they still use a simplified and more effective language but I would think that they are still capable of a form of communication that resembles telepathy. Seeing how their minds work similarly to Machine's it would be as easy as transmitting data from one mind to the other. Like, say, a Bluetooth. If Suri can override Thomson's computer and access employee records using her mind then surely they are all capable of that level of advancement. Perhaps the use of the spoken word is a method of easing the transition. Just as it takes time for them to lose the ability to speak in the human tongue it may also take time for each of them to acquire the ability to communicate cognitively. It looked to me as if Suri had been there far longer than the others. She might have simply been further along the evolutionary ladder.
shareJust re-imagine the scene with telepathy instead of a hand gesture, the gesture is more efficient. They are not 100% machines, not all of them.
shareThey are not 100% machines, not all of them.
I distinctly recall one of them siding with the humans and being burned to death by Suri&co, like IS do from time to time. They were not completely mindless drones.
"I still fail to see how telepathy would be slower than hand gestures."
Have you arranged the scene yet with telepathic dialogue popping up in their minds?
I never said they were mindless drones lol I said they would have been reacting as if the decision arrived out of self thought rather than an order. They are soldiers, after all.
I did play it out in my mind and I have three scenarios. The first is how I remember it happening;
Machine and her team arrive at the corner. She gives the signal to stop, divides the troops and signals them to go down two separate corridors.
The second is your point of view regarding telepathy;
Machine and her team arrive at the corner. >Halt!< She says telepathically, >One and two take the right corridor. Three and four go left!< After receiving the orders the team splits up and continues on with the mission.
This doesn't make sense to me because if they could communicate cognitively then they wouldn't have to literally stop, come to attention and wait for orders at the corner which would take up far more time than telepathically sending the same commands before they reach that corner.
My point of view:
Machine notices the fork in the hallway up ahead and transmits a message to the others to split up. The team acknowledge and dispatch immediately after they've cleared the area of enemies.
"One and two take the right corridor. Three and four go left!"
That's the essence of what YOU want. Maybe in their new fancy language and transmitted earlier or something.
Perhaps the soldiers are more humans than machines and the Machine is considerate enough to not spam and distract them with commands before they need it.
the three go together down one hall and the machine goes down another. I took your post here to mean that the three soldiers split up. the last soldier takes up rear guard and walks backwards while the other two face forward.
shareYeah I don't have that scene memorized. Sorry  Just consider my scenarios as examples rather than events. My point still stands, though. I honestly don't understand how visual queues could be processed faster than cognitive ones. All scientific/pop-culture references say they wouldn't be.
shareYou have to consider that they weren't "telepathic" in the sense that they had ESP.
There was a flaw in their implants that allowed them to transmit thoughts electronically. Because the implants were never intended for this purpose they probably didn't have proper antennas or shielding, so they could have been highly susceptible to interference from numerous sources. This would explain why they also spoke to each other. A lot. Even without interference we don't know what the transmission rate was. If you have a crappy cell phone signal it can take a couple of minutes for a simple text message to get sent, and that's with equipment that is specifically designed to do exactly that. Try texting a quick "LOL" at a large event and chances are excellent that it never goes through.
In the movie, Ava is also hacking the complex's security systems with her transceiver, while all the implanted soldiers are probably all "yelling" stuff at each other on their transceivers. Think of all the marines in Aliens hollering into their mikes when the aliens attacked, and Lt. Gorman trying to give them instructions. Nobody could hear him. I imagine that if he were there with the marines and he had two that hadn't lost their s#!t, he would just have given them hand signals rather than try to get heard through all the chatter.
Most people can say, "Stop!" or, "Go!" faster than it takes to take their hand off their weapon, raise it up, and give a signal, but if you can't hear it because a dozen other voices are all yelling in your ear, it wouldn't matter how fast it was said.
Even if it is ESP, and virtually instantaneous, if everyone's ESPing each other to Stop! Go! Duck! Jump! Delete my browser history! Look out behind you! then it's going to be a lot more reliable for Ava to just give direct hand signals to the guys she's actually with.
Very well explained... I concur.
shareMaybe she just got used to doing after her military training.
Because they don't use telepathy at all not even once in the whole movie.
They speak, like you and I do, just that they use a computerised language to convey thoughts and ideas faster than regular language. This is why they do speak when they communicate and this was explained quite specifically by Machine when Vincent found out they could speak.
So either you missed every scene where they spoke the techno-language and the scene where Machine directly explains it, you have considerable memory problems, you're entirely clueless on what telepathy is, or you're simply an idiot. Care to clarify which?
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From a director's stand point you could say that showing hand signals that are common for us to understand without thinking about it and we just automatically recognize was easier for the audience to understand
From a really technical stand point you could say that it's not telepathy, it's communication through wireless signal and sending data just like how we use the internet or and computer networking where you can encounter milliseconds to seconds to minutes, etc of delay depending on how many nodes/access points you need to connect to to get to the intended recipient and that looking at a hand signal to issue the same command might have been faster
Hahaha love the sn NoRAGRETS, now I need to go watch 'We're the Millers' again..
shareFrom a director's stand point you could say that showing hand signals that are common for us to understand without thinking about it and we just automatically recognize was easier for the audience to understand
You're always going to have within our government, those that are ABOVE THE LAW.share
when did in the movie was it said that they spoke telepathically? the implant-soldier language was a condensed audio language that contained more information than human speech. I took this to mean that it was more like the sounds that computers used to make over dial up modems, not telepathy. the machine speaks to the soldiers using it in a couple of the scenes, and the soldiers speak to each other in this audible language through out the film, but only Siri ever seems to access the computer system with just her mind (she disables Thompson's ability to deactivate the implants and opens the blast doors without a tablet at the very end).
shareI laughed out loud at that scene. I don't know what it is, but people making movies *really* like to put in super exaggerated hand signals. They just really want that military vibe.
I also laughed out loud at the endless stream of bullets bouncing off her. They introduced the prosthetic arms as being covered with material that looks like skin but is bullet and bombproof, which was both really implausible and completely unnecessary. Slightly more clever writing would have made suspension of disbelief a bit easier, not to mention a more interesting battle.
Ava: "Their language is mostly [emphasis mine] transmitted thoughts. Their words are evolved, efficient."
Efficient. Like hand signals.
Ava may have also been augmenting the hand signals with other transmitted instructions, schematics, floor-plan information, etc. We have no way of knowing what the baud rate is of the implants. Transmitted communications obviously weren't always sufficient and frequently had to be augmented with spoken language.
The implants were ever intended to act as transceivers in the first place so, in addition to slow speeds, they may also have been highly susceptible to interference from EMFs, nearby Wi-Fi hubs, walkie-talkie transmissions, or a microwave oven warming a burrito.
Ava also seems to be spending a lot of her time wirelessly accessing the complex's main computer as she over-rides various security systems. At some point during the fire-fight she was also using her wireless connection to locate the daughter's program.
In the end, there are several possible reasons why Ava relied on hand signals at that particular point. The writers just chose not to include a scene where there's a detailed discussion about all the possible scenarios that might occur that would require a military android to use a military communication method.
I took it as a cinema device to show US, the audience, that "Ava" was the leader.
Plus, she said they enhanced their telepathy with those digital-sounding words. If silence was required, thus the hand signals.
Oh, and it didn't say "Ava" was telepathic, only those with implants.