even though she was billed. i dont care a picture of her is not the same thing.
not sure why ridley dissed her, i guess her stardom didnt burst as much as he thought it would and shes not famous enough or something. but her treatment was grotestque both in the movie and in real life. not even a cameo flashback..
Yeah, I do too. The last movie made it seem like she was going to be new Ripley and we were going to find out answers through her but then this movie didn't even feel like a Prometheus sequel at all but just a poor man's version of Alien.
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Alien 3 all over again, with our heroes being unceremoniously taken away between films.
More importantly, Noomi was FAR more effective and a better actress than the female lead in this movie. This new actress was totally unlikable and uncharismatic in both Fantastic Beasts and this movie, and doesn't pull off any impressive acting feats either.
Shaw appeared in more than a photo in the official Alien Prologue on YouTube though. Her and Fassbender have more chemistry in this clip than he did with anyone else in Covenant, even himself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeMVrnYNwus
ur saying her stupid boyish haircut didnt do it for you....
shareYeah I felt totally cheated. I loved Prometheus and was looking forward to more Noomi Rapace and Michael Fassbender.
Why couldn't they have continued Shaw's story until her death? Was that too difficult for Ridley to do? I think we DESERVED to see it, seeing that she was the heroine of Prometheus. Also, why couldn't he be bothered to answer the questions he raises in Prometheus and which Shaw was on the quest? Very cowardly of him to not take it all further, imo. Very convenient to just do away with Shaw altogether.
The first half of Covenant perfectly could have been about Shaw and David and their meeting with the Engineers, even if ends with David betraying her etc and the second half then could have been about the new colonising ship and Walter.
I have no hope in Awakening, the next 'prequel' which is yet to be filmed, to be any better than Covenant, and I suspect a lot of people won't even bother watching it because we feel cheated.
It appears they wrote the "Paradise Lost" script with Shaw on the Engineer world and the studio rejected it. It sounded like Ridley convinced himself that if he gave them another Xeno movie, they would let him go back to do the Engineer world movie later. But we can infer that if they told him that, they were lying.
shareReally? He should have financed it then, he's certainly wealthy enough. Or he could have tried to please both the studio and the fans by producing a better script.
He doesn't own the Alien franchise. If the studio doesn't want the movie made, he can't make it. Ridley's worth $200 million. You expect him to put half his fortune into investing in a movie? A competing studio decides to move Star Wars or Avengers to the same date and he's down the tubes.
shareFair enough!
share I think ridley scott prefers to risk some one elses money on his reworking of the series. Ridley scott can't be oblivious to knowing how lame this god/engineer story would appear to audiences.
Well speak for yourself because I liked the god/engineer story and so did many others. Prometheus has more admirers than you think.
shareI admit I haven't watched the videos they released prior to this movie about their supper or the prologue or whatever. I will later this evening. I assumed they were going to be included in the final cut, and that's why I didn't watch them. Hope they'll be on the Blu-ray. So I haven't seen yet what happens in them. But I had expected and hoped the prologue would be showing how Shaw's life ended. Of course I can understand if that's not the case, given they seem to want us to trust David at first.
shareJust watch them in youtube. Believe me, they are not worth the wait for the Blu-ray.
shareMaybe that's the reason why.
I agree, would've loved to have seen her. I had (hopefully and incorrectly) imagined this film would open with like, at least a 10-minute prologue, showing her landing on the planet with David and her demise. Obviously they couldn't show her death due to the story, but they still could've shown her landing and exploring a bit.
I feel like part of the reason is that Prometheus raised so many questions that were bound to have long-winded, heady, over-expository type answers, so much to the point where they probably felt that would affect the story too much when of course what they wanted was more action. So they found a way to essentially skip over and ignore these questions and make them irrelevant.
Same.
It seems Alien has become David's story now.
I like the fact that they Alien Threed her (Shaw) unceremoniously so to speak... It's a signal that this is not Prometheus 2 and was a truly unexpected move that shows how horrific the idea of David is...
Also, philosophically, it fits within the darker themes of Alien... This is not StarWarTrek, or some comic book film, Alien is death, darkness and in Alien creation comes only from death... Shaw's character was idealistic, a believer, or maybe even a zealot that came to her end at the hands of the nihilism of David, an android that she had fixed and spared from the scrap heap... These are all very much Alien movie themes...
It works... I really loved it in Alien 3 and I love it again here...
You and I saw very different films. This was popcorn camp slasher film where plot holes were pulled open like a poor girls butthole in a porno. The themes you speak of were far more prominent in Prometheus than they are here. Here David is nothing more than a mad scientist trope that's been show horned into a mythology that is now a joke.
You are correct when you say this isn't Prometheus 2. The only problem is that it is Prometheus 2. Killing shaw didn't tell the audience anything other than noomis star didn't rise as much as Scott thought it would, or the much more believable she didn't fuck him. The themes in Prometheus, or the themes that Scott wanted to put out where far darker than anything covenant or the other alien films came up with. it attacked the very notion of creation and existence. Why are we here? Why did you make us? What happens when we die? Why did you want to destroy us? The answers to these question in the hands of a great writer could have set our minds reeling more than any creature jumping out the dark could have.
Yeah, I want to see them let Scott go with it and see what he can do Prometheus style to explore those themes... They keep trying to get him to do "fan service"...
As I understand it, his pitch to the studios before making Prometheus was that he could expand the universe of Alien and get several movies made as a result that would be marketable... I think the studios took seriously the fan-boy criticism of not seeing enough of the Alien type from the first movie in Prometheus, so we got an in-betweener movie, thematically...
I still think he can explore those Promethean themes while having killed off Shaw...
Unfortunately it wasnt the studio who listened to the "fans" moaning about no aliens. It was scott himself that took it on board. The themes is prometheus are just dead, or are in covenant but a shadow of what they could have been. It was supposed to be hard scifi, but apparnently that just doesnt sell as much as studios would like in a world dominated by endless interconnected super hero movies. The funny thing is scott was trying to expand this universe. It could so easily have been the beginning of a multi movie franchise that explored different things like marvel has done, dc is doing and universal is trying to start. This the "in thing" now, multi movie franchises. The alien universe has a lot of back story and lots and lots of stuffs waiting to be explored. Get the predators back into the mix(done in a much better way of course). The war of corporations over trying to get hold of bio weapons. The list could go on and on. But alas its not meant to be. Its little more than a slasher franchise now. Typical slashers started in kids camps and then ended up in space, for alien I wouldnt be shocked to see the franchise finally put to death by going the opposite way with a final movie taking place in a kids holiday camp. The tropes are already there, just need a setting change to make it seem "fresh".
sharethe irony is that it seems Prometheus made more money than Covenant will... perhaps he shiuldn't have acquiesced...
share I think those strong sales for prometheus was due to us in the audience expecting a proper Alien prequel. Those in the audience that felt hoodwinked probably didn't bother to see Covenant.
Scott should have just made a new franchise about Engineers and not try to tie it into the Alien franchise. There was no reason for Prometheus other then to take a mankind origin story and boost its sales by "Tying it to Alien(1979)". Why coulden't he have just made a different movie all together.
I'm not against Prometheus I'm just against it being apart of the Alien franchise.
Agreed. Ridley schott is creating a villian thats worse then the Alien. Kind feels like a grand version of Ash.
I'd think he'd want the opposite; The less famous she is, the less he has to pay her. Agree whole heartily that her character was mistreated. She was much better than the lead actress of covenant. Also, they used Prometheus to establish a relationship between her and David which would have been interesting to build upon. Why throw all that away?
shareBecause thats the point of david... he's a psycho android...
What do the neighbours of serial killers always say? "But he was such a nice guy!"
I love it that they killed Shaw off screen... as good a move as killing the ad-hoc family during the opening credits of Alien 3... Alien is death!
That is regarded as one of the worst mistakes in the franchise
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