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Excellent 'Other-side View' of Paedophilia


I have not seen the play, but this film came across as refreshing and dare i say it 'brave' for taking a more in-depth look at paedophilia than what most films portray, coupled with some adequate acting and you have quite an original flick worthy of your attention.

It seems a few people are stuck on some points in this film, I would like to clarify a few of these, you're welcome to challenge any of them ***SPOILERS***;

1) Ray was in love with Una

2) Ray only ever slept with Una and not his daughter or any other under age person (I know this is supposed to be ambiguous but I think there are more markers in the film to support this point)

3) The premise of the film is to show in more detail the paedophiles perspective in a relationship. It is possible for the paedophile to be in love with authenticity with the child as well as sexually aroused, that the two go hand in hand, without one or the other such a relationship may not exist (for some). Of course none of this excuses the abuse, it's just that mainstream media like to portray all paedophiles as monsters rather than older men who fall in love with inappropriate young persons. It's possible for a paedophile to be one just once and not repeat. Like with all things in life there exists a plethora of varied relationship and sexual dynamics and the same exists within paedophilia.

4) Ray stops having sex with adult Una (at the lockers because the dynamic is now different for him). Adult Una is not the same Una he was in love with all those years back, couple this with the fact he is also married (presumably at one point in love with her and possibly still..) but more so that he has a daughter (unbenknownst to adult Una at this time), this comes crashing down on him 'during the act' which stops him, he knows he cannot 'run away with her' again like he tried in the past. Furthermore, he also realises he has really messed her up, he gets a conscience albeit a bit too late! Adult Una is still very much 'broken' (emotionally and sexually), this again adds to the additional different dynamic compared to his younger years with Una, it's simply just 'not the same'.

5) Rays final words with adult Una at the bottom of the drive (including the touching) all signal that Ray is being authentic, he knows 'the cat is out of the bag' but is willing to show Una that their time together was 'real' to him (as it was to her), that he is not a paedophile like the others, that he would never hurt his daughter etc, he realises it is extremely important she knows this even though revealing all this will likely cost him everything. Of course none of this excuses him, he still acknowledges the abuse (several times repeated in the film), but he now realises he cannot run away from his past so must 'do the right thing' by Una.

Hope this helps!

BB

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I think you make a lot of good points. In many instances, abusers do feel love for their victims (inexcusable none the less) and do not feel they are actually harming them even though they clearly are.

Also, let's not forget, it's not only "older men who fall in love with inappropriate young persons". Women are also abusers.

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True, but the vast majority (95% or so?) sexual abuse is done by blokes. In fact a lot of deviant behaviours stem from the dodgy Y chromosome...

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I disagree with your point 5. First, Ray's daughter is his wife's daughter but not his. She's his step-daughter. Second, Ray is not being authentic at all. Here's a different interpretion of the scene, that of a poster on the IMDB site:

"...[Ray]follows Una out and starts telling her again how special she was and how he's never been attracted to another young girl etc. He's clearly full of shit. At that moment, Una realizes that he's been full of shit for however many years. She realizes how stupid she's been for holding a candle for this guy, and she leaves, feeling disgusted..."

That's how I saw it too.

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Hey that's really interesting interpretation, and we got very different contrasting views on that one scene. I'll have to watch it again...

Oh and does this mean imdb forums are back?

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As far as I can tell, they never really shut down. They just changed the rules. Now only IMDBPro members ($150 a year) can write reviews. But the pre-change reviews are still there, minus the old replies, which contained a lot of trolling. I get all that because I'm not a Pro member, and I can't create a new review or reply to any of the old. I can still see my old reviews, though, if I want to search for them.

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Ah, but they always kept the reviews, it's the actual forums that shut down (forums like this), they're not there now even if you become a pro member tho are they? $150/yr... lolwot?

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The forums like this are not there. Or they may be if you're a Pro member, but I'm not one, so I just don't know. Pro members can at least write reviews, and maybe they're allowed to reply to others. If so, it's a forum for Pro members only. But I'm not going to shell out $150 just to find out.

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Yeah same. I actually don't mind this forum, it's pretty handy from time to time.

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Hi, I have a totally different perspective from yours.
I have a feeling Ray was never in love with Una, he said that to not trouble himself and because she was very angry. He states so himself that at that time he was having a rough time, implying he didn't actually love her but was in a vulnerable state back then. Also, 3 months is a very short time to say 'love', he was infatuated with her (or, her youth and naivety), but i don't think he ever truly loved her.
I think his step-daughter being shown wasn't for no reason, I think it insinuates he married the woman because she had a young daughter, implying he's indeed a pedophile predator... but it is left ambiguous (for the viewer to decide). I think Ray was indeed a pedophile and all the excuses he tells Una are all bs, that predators usually use to lure their victims.
I think he only was after her youth and body, all the scenes of them in the past had to do with sexual matters (never shown connecting in another way/having a meaningful conversation) so I don't think he liked her in a deeper level. He's just a liar and pedophile.
Anyhow, I think it's up to the viewer to pick what lenses they want to see it with, take it at face value or look into it deeply.

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I haven't seen the play so I can't really comment on that. I do wonder how different it is since it's written by the same guy that wrote the screenplay.

It's one of those movies that feels like it's trying to be way more important than it actually is. When you get right down to it, it's just a lot of explicit talk about a grown man having sex with a young girl.

A lot of the lines make it feel like it was written by a teenager and is fulfilling some male fantasy. Having Rooney say things like 'You touched my breasts' and 'You took out your prick and told me to hold it' or talking about if she came and saying things about how he 'f***ed' her all sound like a guy writing an erotic fantasy about a young tween girl.

A lot of it seemed to be filler. Was it layoffs that Peter was supposed to be dealing with? At first it seemed like that might actually come into play and intertwine with the Una storyline but it didn't. And what's with them trashing the break room? That made no sense.

For the most part, though, it was just them walking around a building having conversations in different rooms. Well, we're done with our conversation in this room. Let's wander into another room and start a conversation but make it about the same thing we talked about in the previous room. And then, it just kind of ended. But it didn't really end, it actually just stopped. As if they ran out of film. Actually they ran out of ideas. It's as if they couldn't figure out how to end it and just cut to black.

It felt like an indulgent, self-important film.

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Funny thing, but when he starts up the driveway at the end, with his wife and the others having watched his interplay with UNA, it was obvious he had a lot to explain to the wife. I flashed on Dezi Arnaz, when he would say to Lucille Ball, "Lucy, you have a lot of s'plaining to do."

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I felt the film took a daring and nuanced approach to a very controversial subject and the acting between the two main characters was very convincing. The direction of the film's ambiance creates a sense of tension & uneasiness throughout which I thought really worked.

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Interesting. It's too bad that it required this long explanation to make the meanings of the film clear. They should have included more dialog to make motivations and feelings clearer. It looked more like Una was just determined to get revenge by being a homewrecker and thus became a cautionary tale, another Fatal Attraction.

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