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whats ruined the origionals more? the hobbit or the matrix 2,3


this was the recent question on screen junkies movie fights. unfortunately the question wasnt fought because both people answered at the exact same time, but would of been interesting..

they answered the matrix both, but considering the hobbit ruined the LOTR of the ring trilogy this seemed the better fight

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My copy of J.R.R. Tolkien's The Hobbit still has the exact same words it contained before Peter Jackson made his movies. Nothing was ruined by the films. Similarly, I can ignore the Hobbit movies when I watch The Lord of the Rings.

"Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved." - T. Isabella

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Both wrong : the answer is the Star Wars Prequels.

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kinda hard to deny this....

the sad thing is there are prequel defenders out there...if you encounter one direct them to mr plinkettes reviews, he covers everything perfectly...

there also seems to be a resurgence of prequel defenders, i dont use this term lightly, but they seem to be disney paid shills (since they all of a sudden came out en masse and are mostly unknown non reputable "critics")

theyve even gone to such lengths to say lucas was actually a genius, and he used circle theory and complex reverse parrellelism (so AH apparently reverse mirrors ROTS, and ROTJ reverse parallels phantom menace)

not only is this untrue as plinkette shows in the force awakens review, it doesnt excuse the surface level blatant laziness of george who shot almost everything as eye level medium shots, and how 99% of exposition or general dialgue involves 2 people walkinga nd talking (at an eye level medium shot) behind a green screen, or a group of people sitting in a circle (shot at an eye level medium shot)

this is laziness at its apex.. this is like basic basic 1895 the mail train arrives at the station film making...

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"there also seems to be a resurgence of prequel defenders"

I have been fighting them for 2 years on various movie boards, you have no idea the things I've seen...

I don't think they are shills though: these are real people with severe mental problems, the fact that someone took the time to write that pathetically pointless "Ring Theory" is proof that these people are mentally challenged (and also have way too much time on their hands: do any of these losers have a job?)

Nice meeting you: come join the fight against the prequel lovers on every SW-movie board, I'm always there somewhere and my sword always thirsts for blood (I write epic battle-poems to motivate True Star Wars fans to destroy any prequel loving infidel, it's an long lost art that I'm very proud of keeping alive).

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I have been fighting them for 2 years on various movie boards, you have no idea the things I've seen...


i can only imagine.

I don't think they are shills though: these are real people with severe mental problems, the fact that someone took the time to write that pathetically pointless "Ring Theory" is proof that these people are mentally challenged (and also have way too much time on their hands: do any of these losers have a job?)


sorry i got too caught up in hating how bad a director Lucas is i wasnt clear.

i most of them on imdb are fans and not paid shills.


the shills im talking about are unknown, disreputable critics, not just board commentors, who out of no where started proposing this ring theory story telling and reverse parallelism after the force awakens..

plinkette says that disney POSSIBLY did this because disney wants to cash in on prequel characters and lore. very few elements of the prequel including its lore and characters is liked (besides maybe ewan mcgregor and Ian Mcdiarmid who managed to take that god aweful script at semi deliver at times) almost all of it it universally hated.

disney is probably worried that if it has to reference the prequels in a flash back or build another stand alone near or around it that has to connect, it will create massive ill will.

id say this theory makes sense, disney has 3 movies of lore that is toxic to even mention. SO they pay afew unknown critics to right articles that may redeem it for some.

Nice meeting you: come join the fight against the prequel lovers on every SW-movie board, I'm always there somewhere and my sword always thirsts for blood (I write epic battle-poems to motivate True Star Wars fans to destroy any prequel loving infidel, it's an long lost art that I'm very proud of keeping alive).


i just may have to. the hobbits board deadness proves it was a mediocre half asses effort. no one cares about it anymore.

but im sure its hella active over there. hahhahah traditions important

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TH at least had Bilbo. MAtrix 2 and 3 were just almost as bad as SW prequels.

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itss really tough.....

at least TH had Martin Freeman, but the hobbit retroactively ruined middle earth and even gandalf and other characters and the lore to an extenet..


the matrix 2 and 3 were colossal convoluted failers, but at least the watchowskis clearly tried hard (even if they over tried and fell flat). at least it had some neat fights (the highway scene and the attack on zion with the mechs)and finished off the lore

besides the fan edits which get rid of all the garbage fluff and creates a tight narrative we care about, the Hobbit films have almost no redeemable scenes, every single fight scene is tensionless, every single character interaction and dramais weightless because ignores all the previous character development.when some dwarf had reason to be used, it uses another interchangeably. Every dwarf is 2 dimensional and boring. i sat there being like "who the hell is this dwarf i never saw?" because they were so undeveloped and bland they had no personality

The hobbit is a trash fire so big that even its only good thing, martin freeman, gets burned to a crisp (it was so bad even ian mckellen said he almost quit due to the substanceless green screen.. besides age, he clearly seems bored and regretted he agreed to do it)


The matrix two and three were trash fires with gold nuggets in it that at least had innovative parts... yes it was so bad it singed the origional, but it didnt consume it...

the hobbit was a pile of dog poo on fire that choked the lungs, the matrix sequels were garbage but at least you got whiffs of sickly sweet

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I fell asleep watching Matrix 2. I didn't even bother with Matrix 3.


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its worth it as terrible as it is..

if you got through 3 3 hour hobbit movies, event he trash fire that is the matrix 2 and 3 is far less boring and tolerable

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I have watched 2 and 3, but I just can't remember it, probably because I never watch them again because I didn't want to.

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Honestly, the hobbit films are a bit too different from lotr to *beep* on them.

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Exactly, gold will still be gold even if *beep* gets flung on it.

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The Matrix 2. I haven't seen the third one, but the second one was crap. Neo was way to overpowered, which made all his opponents so useless, because they weren't a match for Neo. Matrix 2 was bad. However, the only bad Hobbit film was the third one. I really enjoyed the first two, even if LotR was better.


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To me Star Wars started its decline after Empire Strikes Back. The newer ones are so different they're not even the same movies to me.

The Matrix 2 & 3 should just be deleted. They're atrocious. I'll always love The Matrix and won't even bother with the sequels.

The Hobbit although not as good as LOTR is still watchable.

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