he couldn't hurt them either.
Yes, he could. He just decided to kill the people of Laketown first. In the book he also fails, when he tries to kill the dwarves and Bilbo. And he also goes to Laketown afterwards. And yes, the details are different, but that doesn't change the fact, that overall the same things happen.
From what I could see, they didn't care anything about Lake Town either, so Smaug again failed to hurt them.
Didn't they care about Laketown??? During Smaug's attack on Laketown the dwarves (especially Ori, Bombur and Bofur) watch in horror and Balin says "Poor souls!" And after Smaug's death Kili worries about the people of Laketown and their loss. He says:
"The people of Laketown have nothing. They came to us in need, they have lost everything." ... Thorin might not want to help them, but the rest of the dwarves think, he should.
For some reason, you don't get it.
For some reason YOU don't get, that the dragon was frightening to
ME. That's a fact, and it's a fact that I can not change. And I'm not going to pretend, that the dragon wasn't frightening just to please YOU. And why should I? Do you think, it would be honest of me, considering that the last scenes of DOS really convinced me, that the dragon was (A) practically invincible and couldn't be killed, and (B) able to destroy anything on its path?
If a dozen 8-year-olds armed with paper swords fail to hurt an knight in full armor and armed with a sword, you don't get astonished that the paper swords failed to hurt the armored knight. You do get astonished when that knight tries his best to kill and harm the children and fails to do any damage.
An 8-year-old would have two advantages:
1. That's he small and probably fast
2. A knight in full armor doesn't move very fast. Armor is heavy. It might protect you, but it definitely doesn't make you fast!!!
Fact is that the dwarves only survived because they were always on the run; they kept running and hiding. They knew, that if they did run or hide or both, they would be killed instantly. The dwarves had two advantages:
1. They were small, so they could run through narrow hallways and passages.
2. Smaug was huge and SLOW, so he couldn't go anywhere he wanted just like that.
And even in the book we see a person (Bilbo)
outrunning the dragon’s angry flames without being hurt. So why is it a problem, that other characters do the same thing in the film?
And the question is: DOES Smaug strategically try
"his best" in the book? And in the film? When you read the book, you might also ask yourself: 'Why did Smaug give up so easily? Only ONE attempt to kill the dwarves, and only ONE attempt to kill Bilbo ... and bye-bye - off he goes! Why didn't he stay inside the mountain, now that the dwarves were there?'
Tolkien would never approve of the way some of his so-called fans behave on these boards.
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BluthSitwell
9 years ago
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Im screencapping this and putting in on reddit movie board... People will find it hilarious.
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aedh1974
9 years ago
In the book he also fails, when he tries to kill the dwarves and Bilbo.
And this... were does this happen?
Smaug had left his lair in silent stealth, quietly soared into the air, and then floated heavy and slow in the dark like a monstrous crow, down the wind towards the west of the Mountain, in the hopes of catching unawares something or somebody there, and of spying the outlet to the passage which the thief had used. This was the outburst of his wrath when he could find nobody and see nothing, even where he guessed the outlet must actually be.
After he had let off his rage in this way he felt better and he thought in his heart that he would not be troubled again from that direction. In the meanwhile he had further vengeance to take. “Barrel-rider!” he snorted. “Your feet came from the waterside and up the water you came without a doubt. I don’t know your smell, but if you are not one of those men of the Lake, you had their help. They shall see me and remember who is the real King under the Mountain!
An 8-year-old would have two advantages:
1. That's he small and probably fast
2. A knight in full armor doesn't move very fast. Armor is heavy. It might protect you, but it definitely doesn't make you fast!!!
You forget about the 1,5 meters long sword that he must be wielding.
1. They were small, so they could run through narrow hallways and passages.
2. Smaug was huge and SLOW, so he couldn't go anywhere he wanted just like that.
3. And the fact that he was jumping from one group on which the dwarves divided to the other. But the worst is that Smaug doesn't seem to be as slow as you think.
I can't tolerate your sadness cause it's me you are drowning
And the question is: DOES Smaug strategically try "his best" in the book? And in the film? When you read the book, you might also ask yourself: 'Why did Smaug give up so easily? Only ONE attempt to kill the dwarves, and only ONE attempt to kill Bilbo ... and bye-bye - off he goes! Why didn't he stay inside the mountain, now that the dwarves were there?'
There is nowhere for them to run. He can wait patiently since they're trapped like rats. Not difficult to understand.
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Otaku-sempai
9 years ago
What Smaug does in the book is to smash the mountainside, eventually destroying the Secret Door and sealing the tunnel.
Peter Jackson and his crew make Smaug so huge that even most swords would not be much of a threat. Even a great spear might be useless unless one could actually hit the dragon's weak spot.
Smaug knew that he could pick off Bilbo and the Dwarves eventually. He could hurt them another way in the mean time by destroying Lake-town. He didn't feel a need to rush.
"There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world." - Gandalf
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aedh1974
9 years ago
I agree. The problem is that we saw him (in the movie) unable to make any harm to the dwarves. And of course he didn't need to rush, but it looks like he is in a rush all the time when pursuing them.
Peter Jackson must be laughing about how blindly his fans behave on these boards.
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AmbienWineDiet
9 years ago
Has BN ever admitted he is wrong about anything ever in life?? probably the most intolerable person to be around in reality... That guy who always knows better and one ups everything with the most unlikely ridiculous explanation that nobody with attachments to reality would buy, but since his crazed mind can come up with it he gives it the weight of validity
don;t forget, everythings100% opinion and subjective!! statistics, cinematography, acting, characters effectiveness, overall ratings
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aedh1974
9 years ago
I'm gonna reply with an example. All are quotes from bn.
from the tread: Which army was the 5th?
The eagles are the fifth army; that's very obvious when you watch the film. The arrival of the eagles means, that the good guys win the battle.
[...]
The poster for the theatrical release shows us five races = five armies:
dwarves, orcs, elves, men and eagles.
[...]
You want me to ignore the fact, that the only other major group besides dwarfs, elves, men and orcs are the eagles?
[...]
No, we were not.
1) Dwarves (Thorin and his men + Dain and his men)
2) Elves
3) Men
4) Orcs (There is one orc army divided into two, and the bats and the trolls and the wargs are all a part of this army)
5) Eagles
[...]
Given the fact, that I haven't seen Peter Jackson talk about this subject, I don't know what his original intent was.
But I have seen the film, and in the film they focus on five armies (one army for each race): dwarves, men, elves, orcs (who had help from trolls and wargs) and eagles. I didn't see any other armies in the films.
[...]
How do you explain, that Warner Bros. counts the Orcs and the Eagles as two armies? Did they forget to consult Peter Jackson and his crew?
Anyhow: Regardless of what the original intention was, the film itself lets me believe, that the five armies are dwarves, men, elves, orcs and eagles: five races = five armies.
[...]
And when I watch the film, I see the dwarves become an army due to Dain's arrival. That army no. 1. I see Thranduil arrive with his elves. That's army no. 2. I see the men of Laketown form an army under Bard's leadership. That's army number 3. I see the orcs arrive with a small number of goblins, wargs and trolls within their ranks. That's army no. 4. And later I see the eagles arrive and turn the tide of the battle. That's army no. 5.
[...]
When I watch the film, I see the dwarves become an army due to Dain's arrival. That's army no. 1. I see Thranduil arrive with his elves. That's army no. 2. I see the men of Laketown form an army under Bard's leadership. That's army no. 3. I see the orcs with a small number of goblins, wargs and trolls within their ranks. That's army no. 4. And later I see the eagles arrive and turn the tide of the battle. That's army no. 5.
[...]
You and I have both seen dwarves, elves, men and orcs gather before the gates of Erebor. We have both seen eagles arrive later. And we have both seen goblins, wargs and trolls within the ranks of the orcs.
[...]
One army per race.
When Dain arrives in the film, Gandalf says to him: "There's no need for war between dwarves, men and elves." ... So those three armies are already present: 1. Dwarves, 2. Men and 3. Elves. Then the first legion of Orcs arrive (and within their ranks we see goblins, trolls, wargs and bats). Later the second legion of orcs arrive, but it's still the same army; the same race. 4. Orcs ... And at last the Eagles arrive. 5. Eagles
And so on. Now, after the dvd proved that there were two orc armies, his last answer about this matter was:
you're talking to me as if I was defending the assumption that the eagles were the fifth army.
So, how can I take him seriously? I can't.
Peter Jackson must be laughing about how blindly his fans behave on these boards.
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Hecate-3
8 years ago
In the book, Bilbo wasn't climbing into the middle of the treasure room. He stayed right next to the secret passage out. When he took his leave, he darted into the passage and began running away before Smaug breathed any fire at him. Bilbo also kept his ring on throughout the entire time he was in Smaug's lair, so Smaug could only guess where the hobbit was.
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Strip away the phony tinsel of Hollywood and you find the real tinsel underneath.
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