Stop the terrorist nation of Israel
They butcher thousands of innocent people in their supposed war on terror. They are the ones creating it.
Stop all US support of this terrorist nation.
They butcher thousands of innocent people in their supposed war on terror. They are the ones creating it.
Stop all US support of this terrorist nation.
Yes, but we must find a way to help the psychopaths. Somehow they need to see how infinitely beautiful their true selves are. We all derive from pure love. Embrace it, it's beautiful. You are it. Thanks.
shareYeah.. it's all a big fat lie !
shareYes, because we all know the muslims are pure as the driven snow and never the source of any problems, right?
:rolleyes:
Way to generalize...you do realize Muslims come from every race and nation right? And you do realize that not all Palestinians are actually Muslim?
Therefore I don't get the point of your post at all, especially in regards to the subject at hand.
I thought the documentary was as even handed as you would expect and I was actually surprised and pleased that the plot by some extreme Zionists to blow up the Dome of the Rock was at least mentioned. Its just a shame it seems to be that in Israel there does seem to be some debate about what the larger implications of an apartheid state are.
No political figure in the United States could be caught dead criticizing the domestic policy of Israel in any way.
"They butcher thousands of innocent people"
You mean Syria, right ?
^ a b c d "UN says more than 60,000 dead in Syrian civil war". Associated Press. 2 January 2013. Retrieved 2 January 2013.
No, that's a civil war.
You could also say by your logic that "That's America right?". It's a foolish and idiot argument to even try to make.
Try learning the actual facts about the terrorist nation of Israel who also attacked and sunk and US ship.
http://www.giwersworld.org/israel/terrorists.phtml
The phrase butcher or terrorist is not relevant to the only democratic nation in Middle East. IF YOU DO CARE GO WORRY ABOUT 60000 MUSLIMS BEING MURDERED IN SYRIA WITH HELP AND FINANCE OF OTHER MUSLIM NATION " ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN" NOW WHO SOUNDS OBTUSE HERE? YOU
shareI'm not obtuse. I'm rational and realistic. I also know these countries have internal problems... essentially civil war.
Am I supposed to excuse the terrorist actions of Israel just because a country like Syria is at civil war. Neither should be ignored, but my OP wasn't about that.. it was about this movie.
Make about movie about Syrian internal terror and I'll comment on that too.
Thank you and have a nice day!
I just have two questions for you:
1. I thought that land had no racial or ethnic character. Isn't "Muslim" land, or "Arab land", the same thing as "White man's land" (Everyone knows that the proposed state of Palestine will be Judenrein) ?
2. How come you and your ilk never say "Destroy Syria" as you say "Destroy Israel" ? You want to change the government of Syria not destroy it. You wanted to change the government of Egypt, not destroy it, but for tiny but successful Israel, you reserve "special action", ie its destruction. Why ?
The Gatekeepers is another example I believe of the "Court Jew", the Jew that has to be ashamed of himself and his success, and always engaging in a mea culpa.
The truth is that any other nation in Israel's circumstances would have reacted far more brutally and far more selfishly. And every other nation in Israel's circumstances has, especially and including Islamic nations.
60 thousand Syrians massacred by an unelected lunatic, mostly civilians, is just another ho hum day. Watch the crocodile tears should five Palestinians die attempting to commit a terrorist act.
The entire Arab world is one tiny invention away from total destruction. It's not a weapon that will destroy them, it is the day the world quits its petroleum addiction. Virtually every successful Arab economy is so oil dependent that such an invention, or change will cause every one of their economies to come crashing down much worse than the crash experienced by Holland when their oil economy ran out of oil in the late 50's / early 60's.
Well written.
"Insert famous quote from movie here" -- by Famous Movie Actor
How come you and your ilk never say "Destroy Syria" as you say "Destroy Israel"
> If somebody says something negative about the Israeli government, the next thing
> you can expect to see is somebody saying "well, those Muslims over there are worse".
> Almost without exception.
Let's say that is true ... what about it?
Are you saying just because it is predictable that it is not true, or does not
deserve analysis or to be disbelieved?
The US should be involved in this, as should be the whole rest of the world, because
I do not think you either understand or disagree with the totalitarian mindset of
expansionism of the Muslim religion, it is incompatible with a free society,
freedom of thought, expression, etc.
If radical Islam is able to rollover Israel they will surely work on the rest of the
world, ... to which you answer is what ... that the West does it worse?????
The US should be involved in this, as should be the whole rest of the world,
Virtually everything you said is false.
Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya are still up in the air. There is voting and there is beginning of a secular society. Relative to what was there before why do you see that as an improvement. Look at Egypt, it appeared that there was no improvement there, but the military is marginalizing the Islamic Brotherhood ... improvement. These are habit built into these cultures for hundreds of years. Things they got used to and think they need, like beating up and abusing women and keeping them ignorant. How do you think that is going to change in a year?
What the US did in Iran and in South America I strongly oppose and opposed at time ... well, at least with the Contras. But look, there is a flowering of native people in governments in South America ... it is going in the right direction. The US makes mistake and even has corruption in it. We should be arguing for more transparency and standards in what we do, and try to root our corruption. A little over a 100 years ago it was way worse. American soldiers in the Spanish American war were doing in the Philippines what we demonized the Japanese for doing to drive us into WWII.
You so not see the direct benefits of international stabiity and trade that all this messed up stuff led to. There is a benefit there. It's hard to justify it based on what was done to bring it about, but the past is past and we cannot do anything about it. We need to look to the future. The fact that you are making these complaints is one good thing, that would not have happened 100 years ago.
History moves slow. Sadly in my lifetime I think things have ever gone backwards and they are nothing like I thought they would be in the 2000's when I was born in the 1900's.
You have to realize things change, but I agree with you that change is slow and unsteady.
But calling the Zionists a KKK analog is untrue. There was never institutionalized slavery, murder and genocide. When you want to make such judgement on nuanced things you surely cannot make this claim.
The US should be involved in Israel because Israel has goals and culture more like us, and that Islam is a major problem with everyone. It is a mental and spiritual cage that keeps hundreds of millions of people trapped and used to attack the non-Islamic world. Not all Muslims of course.
Funny that you imply it is the Liberals that think the US should stop this ... because that is the Conservative position. I am extremely Liberal and I argue the Israel issue all the time with Liberals who I think are insane on their positions on this issue. It's like arguing that Nazi Germany should have been left alone based on Liberals positions of autonomy, even though their society was despotic and existential danger to everything on the planet.
Drawing a line in the ground and backing Islam down to where it does not control whole countries and is not a threat to others is worth doing, if it takes 100 years. Used to be in the past you just prevailed militarily and killed everyone ... much easier than trying to do cultural change, but cultural change has been done before, with post-war Germany and Japan. This is what needs to be done with the Islamic countries for them to be peaceful neighbors and traders in the world.
Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya are still up in the air.
Drawing a line in the ground and backing Islam down to where it does not control whole countries and is not a threat to others is worth doing
I already know far more than you about this. I've read the history of the US from the normal sources, and then from Howard Zinn, John Perkins, and the latest book I am reading right now Oliver Stone's "Untold HIstory Of The United States" so don't give me this superiority BS. A country never has good intentions ... well, rarely anyway, and that includes about all of them. Countries and people all fall of the lower common denominator. If it was not the US you are complaining about it would Russia, or China.
The US will change its foreign policy, it already has. As I mentioned at the turn of the last century Americans were shooting Phillippinos just like we dehumanized the Japanese for doing.
So you want to name-call, you are ignorant and stupid as well, not in your complaints but in thinking things could be any different, or would be if the US was not doing all this stuff. Look at the European empires, the US is far better than they were. The US is far more powerful than any other empire has every been before, and it is less violent, you just refuse to see it, think it or admit it.
I just have such contempt for whiny self-righteous jerks like you who do not even know what they are unable to really process the information they have, they just follow whoever told them and never think for themselves.
I already know far more than you about this. I've read the history of the US from the normal sources, and then from Howard Zinn, John Perkins, and the latest book I am reading right now Oliver Stone's "Untold HIstory Of The United States" so don't give me this superiority BS.
The US will change its foreign policy, it already has. As I mentioned at the turn of the last century Americans were shooting Phillippinos just like we dehumanized the Japanese for doing.
So you want to name-call, you are ignorant and stupid as well, not in your complaints but in thinking things could be any different,
I just have such contempt for whiny self-righteous jerks
> Oh, than you can tell me all about Norman Finkelstein then.
An idiot.
You think I'm gonna take a test for you ... LOL! You are group-thinker, I bet you love tests.
60 years of total failure in the Middle East eh? Well, there is Israel, that is an improvement for Jews who did not want to live under Islamic oppression. Iran is beginning to have elections. Afghanistan is educating women. Take your blinder off pal.
> There's no reasoning with you and it doesn't matter anyhow, even if I could convince you, there's at least another 100 million people in the US I'd have to convince, and they care either way.
OH, yes, and now you know what the world is like, the whole of it. Only here in America and the West we do have a tradition of progress. Who would you rather see as the largest hegemon ... Russia, China, an Islamic Caliphate ... it really doesn't matter. The rest of the world does not want any leadership from problem places, even though it knows how bad the US has been. Britain is beloved despite a horrible history of oppression. That's the standard ... the challenge here is to figure out ways to improve that.
You think I'm gonna take a test for you ... LOL! You are group-thinker, I bet you love tests.
60 years of total failure in the Middle East eh? Well, there is Israel, that is an improvement for Jews who did not want to live under Islamic oppression
The Palestinians were allied with Hitler you dolt, read about Haj Amin Al Hussayni, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.
Palestinians ran pograms against Jewish settlements for decades if not centuries, as well as oppressing Jews and other religious minorities. Don't bother me with your nonsense, Islam will end up on the ash heap of history. Israel is not even at war, it is just defending itself against a culture of oppression, oppression that maims its own people as well.
The Palestinians were allied with Hitler you dolt, read about Haj Amin Al Hussayni, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.
You misinterpret your facts ... the Jews thought Hitler would be happy to get rid of the Jews in Germany by sending them to the Middle East, but it was critical to Hitler to murder them.
There is no comparison between the relationships of your so-called Jewish terrorists groups and the Islamic Terrorist groups. Because there is a small group that may or may not be able to deliver on that negotiation does not imply what you suggest. You are merely trying at any cost to distort logic and support an apologetic and equivalence mindset for radical Islam. It does not wash. The Jewish terrorist groups are gone, they got independence and though there may be hardline Zionists they are a minority. The terrorist streak in Islam is front and center daily across 1/3 of the globe.
By the way, I'm sorry I used the word dolt, it was impolite, but it seems to me that you basic motivation really comes from a very negative place that you will not dislodge from .
You misinterpret your facts ... the Jews thought Hitler would be happy to get rid of the Jews in Germany by sending them to the Middle East, but it was critical to Hitler to murder them.
There is no comparison between the relationships of your so-called Jewish terrorists groups and the Islamic Terrorist groups.
> My point is that the future leaders of Israel didn't at all mind having Jewish people in all of Europe uprooted by force by the Axis powers
Look ... you seen to have a brick wall between you and seeing that these people at that time did not have much choice. You seem to be unthinkingly applying your modern mindset to a situation that is not modern. Any society is always going to have its faction with drastic solutions. Of course, you just home in on the microscopic view of what is going on and are completely ignoring the reality of what was going on. Do you think they could not see what Hilter's intent was, that he was growing undismissble existential threat and had written very precisely about his intentions.
Look ... you seen to have a brick wall between you and seeing that these people at that time did not have much choice.
> Sure they did, they could have allied themselves with the Allies
And we know how much the Allies wanted to help the Jews by the ship that
wandered all the oceans with some Jews that wanted to settle somewhere,
anywhere.
Listen, I think I've set up enough of an arc for a reasonable person who want
to find out and determine the truth to do that. You can continue to ramble,
and I'm sure you will because all your side of this argue has, like the Repubicans,
is repetition, repetition, repetition. Your strategy is to ignore the facts, to
make up your own facts and just pretend they are true.
The thing is the person who gives a few minutes to this with an open mind sees
that your facts and ideas contradict each other, but can also see that you are
biased and pro-Islamic in your intent, so if they agree with you facts don't matter.
If they disagree, well, you don't care about facts, so you just keep wasting time.
I don't have that much to waste.
And we know how much the Allies wanted to help the Jews by the ship that wandered all the oceans with some Jews that wanted to settle somewhere, anywhere.
Listen, I think I've set up enough of an arc for a reasonable person who want to find out and determine the truth to do that. You can continue to ramble,
>> Israel is just the embodiment of hypocrisy. They think, that because their great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandparent, MIGHT have lived in the area 2000 years ago, it belongs to them, exclusively
You have it exactly backwards, it is the Muslims that think that any land that the "caliphate" once owned must be returned to Islam ... and that is exclusive. Saudi Arabia forbids non-Muslims in the country, especially Jews. Not only that but they think the government has the right to kill people who convert away from Islam. You well know all the injustices Islam commits against non-Muslims. Non-Muslims, women and gays are oppressed.
You have it exactly backwards, it is the Muslims that think that any land that the "caliphate" once owned must be returned to Islam ... and that is exclusive.
Saudi Arabia forbids non-Muslims in the country, especially Jews. Not only that but they think the government has the right to kill people who convert away from Islam.
You well know all the injustices Islam commits against non-Muslims. Non-Muslims, women and gays are oppressed.
It's not like I support a lot of US intervention. This is something that all the powerful countries had done up until WWII. The US evolved the face of Imperialism. I agree with a lot of what you say about the mess-ups of the CIA in foreign countries. What happened with Iran was wrong, and in a lot of other countries in a lot of other places. There are threads of history here that it really doesn't matter what we think as citizens, no one controls and there is no democratic or republican involvement, because the question is the continuation of civilization as one country or another sees it.
It is more like fascism-lite, or hegemonic militarism. The US is the one superpower. It acts in the world.
> It's up to the people that live there to fix the problems.
If Americans cannot fix what is wrong with America with all our information and rights, how is the Islamic Middle East going to do it? The American South could not even fix its own problem with race and needed Federal soldiers to march in and occupy parts of it.
The thing about America is that it is pragmatic, it acts and makes mistakes. It often does not learn or learns slow from those mistakes, but things do change.
I believe Israel should exist and has a right to exist. The Muslim world has been playing the same games that you complain about the US only not as successfully in a smaller field. These countries do not attack each other because the US makes them. There is no country that behaves in a totally civilized manner.
The problem is that most of what I've heard from people like you who are critical of Israel is that Israel should not exist. That is a non-starter for me. Or they do it in tricky dishonest ways such as demanding the right of return. They preach hate to their people and forbid contact. There is a healthy opposition in Israel about the occupation and Palestinian policy ... there is none of that from the Islamic side.
You keep trying to force things to be equal, it just does not work for me. I do not think that Israel and the Palestinians are equal. I respect the life on both sides, but the Palestinian government cheapens Palestinian lives in the way it supports terrorists. If there was not historic cultural hate of Israel buy the Palestinians, there would be no Israeli occupation, so I think your calling it a terrorist state is incorrect.
I don't think you can speculate about Hezbollah and some of the other things you seem to throw out there so easily. I also think that when and if the *beep* Muslim problem is more or less solved that the time will come to start demanding change from Saudi Arabia. Right now the West needs them, so throwing them in my face like support the Saudis is not right.
You're wandering all over the place and not replying to my points. You're bringing up irrelevant things that already have answers.
As far as the country acting against the Constitution, we've done that since we were launched. Pragmatism, dealing with the imperfect at a very high level is a very messy thing and one thing the US should really argue honestly. That said not one of the Muslim countries even comes close to dealing honestly and fairly with their citizens.
It is more like fascism-lite, or hegemonic militarism. The US is the one superpower. It acts in the world.
If Americans cannot fix what is wrong with America with all our information and rights, how is the Islamic Middle East going to do it?
The thing about America is that it is pragmatic, it acts and makes mistakes.
The problem is that most of what I've heard from people like you who are critical of Israel is that Israel should not exist.
Or they do it in tricky dishonest ways such as demanding the right of return.
> The US is not really a super power at this point.
You're just be silly and navel gazing. It's no wonder you do not really understand
the cognitive dissonance here, you are off in lala land and denying the neccessity
of being pragmatic in the world.
Not to mention your name calling of Zionism like the KKK, without any kind of
balance from the other side ... thousands of times larger than the Jews, Islam and
it's complete totalitarian form of oppression.
You talk about an equitable solution ... divide the land according to the population
in some way, Israel is the most densely packed country there because all it took in
land was enough to survive on. If there was a really equitable solution like a closer
to fair person per square mile solution, Israel would be much bigger than it is now.
You appear not to be able to deal with fact unless you can stretch them at your
convenience, for example by equating the Zionism to the KKK, that's the limit of
your rhetoric, you have really nothing to offer but propaganda, and no solutions
but what you demand, the destruction of Israel and murder of the Jews, and then
on to destroy Western Europe and the US. It's not going to happen and over time
future generations of Muslims will realize what a terrible disservice the corruption
of their faith has done them.
The US is not really a super power at this point.
You're just be silly and navel gazing. It's no wonder you do not really understand the cognitive dissonance here,
you are off in lala land and denying the neccessity of being pragmatic in the world.
Not to mention your name calling of Zionism like the KKK, without any kind of
balance from the other side ... thousands of times larger than the Jews,
Islam and it's complete totalitarian form of oppression.
You talk about an equitable solution ... divide the land according to the population in some way,
Israel is the most densely packed country there because all it took in land was enough to survive on.
You appear not to be able to deal with fact unless you can stretch them at your
convenience,
for example by equating the Zionism to the KKK, that's the limit of your rhetoric, you have really nothing to offer but propaganda,
> That doesn't stop it from declaring victory.
You should be smart enough to realize that one of the big reasons the US fights there wars is to continually have officers and soldiers with war experience, to collect data on wars and study it to develop and increase expertise.
We have the best logistics of any country now. We can get a wounded soldier out of the war zone in minutes and apply medical technology that will save their lives by inexperienced non-medical soldiers.
We keep improving our planes and ships, reacting to the enemy. We beat Iraq in days. Then we ran up against urban resistance. Then we went and developed software to look at cell phone calls, terrorist networks.
We have a whole science on things other countries have not ever experienced or thought about.
The Chinese are very smart, I respect the Chinese, and the Russians, but their societies are even bigger failures than ours. How can the Chinese get the buyin of the world as a leader when they are the most racist monoculture on the planet. They have invaded Tibet and ship thousands of Han Chinese in to settle the country. You want the whole world to be Chinese? I don't. I also do not the world to have to convert to islam because that is the only think Muslims can deal with - domination.
Islam is only starting to change today because of the attention it has gotten by virtue of the war. Before 911 people who went to Afghanistan talked until they were blue in the face about how music, dancing, reading, TV, education for women was illegal under the Taliban, and how the Taliban blew up those big carved statues of Buddha in the mountains ... or you conveniently don't remember that? We learned how people who try to question of leave Islam are treated. The US did not create the threat of radical Islam.
Look at the population density of Israel vs. that of any of the surrounding Muslim countries. If things were fair they would get as much land per person as any of the other countries. And by the way Palestinians could live anywhere in the area if they wanted to. The problem is that everywhere they have gone they bring death and destruction. In Jordan they tried to take over the country and kill the king.
You know Gaza is not all of Palestine, and I think it is ridiculous to have Palestine split into two regions ... get rid of Gaza and make the West Bank larger and more consolidated ... but I really think the Palestinians do not deserve a country. They have not proved they can manage themselves, and what is the point of a country that only exists to destroy Israel?
Nothing you say is straight or makes sense.
You should be smart enough to realize that one of the big reasons the US fights there wars is to continually have officers and soldiers with war experience,
We have the best logistics of any country now.
Then we went and developed software to look at cell phone calls, terrorist networks.
The Chinese are very smart, I respect the Chinese, and the Russians, but their societies are even bigger failures than ours.
How can the Chinese get the buyin of the world as a leader when they are the most racist monoculture on the planet.
They have invaded Tibet
Before 911 people who went to Afghanistan talked until they were blue in the face about how music, dancing, reading, TV, education for women was illegal under the Taliban, and how the Taliban blew up those big carved statues of Buddha in the mountains ... or you conveniently don't remember that?
And by the way Palestinians could live anywhere in the area if they wanted to.
and what is the point of a country that only exists to destroy Israel?
Nothing you say is straight or makes sense.
Very good post, except I don't think you are right about "the Jew that has to be ashamed of himself and his success, and always engaging in a mea culpa."
Did you see the movie?
The Israelis can and did express remorse and bad feelings about blowing up innocent people, and talked about it as fairly as possible, the very people in the middle of it, and they conclude that it hurts their cause more than it helps. That is kind of where the movie stops, so they did not go further and say how they can build the trust they deemed necessary to build peace, nor did they address the facts that several of them mentioned that the Palestinians leadership does not seem to want peace, or a peace where Israel still exists.
The examples of they are damned if they do and damned if they don't, and meanwhile the Palestinians seem to play to a completely different audience, a captive totalitarian audience in Islamic countries that in many cases condemns or prosecutes/persecutes anyone who says there should be peace between the two sides. I recall the example of a small newspaper own in Bangladesh around the time of 911 who editorialized for peace and was put on trial for his life by the government. To me, that is worth the West fighting for, the problem is, how does the West or how does Israel fight intelligently and effectly against this kind of low tech ruthless totalitarianism. They have tried to be just as ruthless and the point of this movie I think was that it did not work, and now the question is, does anything work, and if now, what?
It's not their reliance on oil, that argument refutes your statement. Since, an overwhelming amount of evidence has surfaced concerning the US's involvement in overthrowing and implementing political parties in these regions; specifically, parties that support their western ideals. The true devastation is religion, Islam is a younger monastic orders and is experiencing a phase of fundamentalism. There's simply no way to label all Muslims as barbarians and be taken seriously, the Arab spring has shown that the vast majority are seeking independence from oppression. Judaism and Catholicism are, certainly, not without similar historical critique. Quite obviously we will be forced to solve this problem at some point in our lifetime, it's an issue in which no one should be without doubt.
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>If somebody says something negative about the Israeli government, the next thing
> you can expect to see is somebody saying "well, those Muslims over there are worse".
> Almost without exception.
Let's say that is true ... what about it?
Are you saying just because it is predictable that it is not true, or does not
deserve analysis or to be disbelieved?
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No bruce_129, he's obviously not saying that.
He's saying that you are highlighting certain relevent (and palatable) truths as a smokescreen to distract your and our attention from certain even more relevent (and unpalatable) truths.
Everything you say is valid and helps contextualise the debate - but it is nonetheless secondary and fails to detract from the core issues of Israeli responsibility and culpability for their own actions.
And I assume (for your sake) you already know that. But could be I'm wrong. So either:
A) You are contriving a well worn debating strategy to distract from the core argument. Or...
B) You're not being entirely honest with yourself.
My guess is option "A" but feel free to own up to option "B" and I'll apologise.
If only you could see what I have seen through your eyes.
Coincidentally burningriver (above) uses exactly this tactic when he claims that...
The truth is that any other nation in Israel's circumstances would have reacted far more brutally and far more selfishly. And every other nation in Israel's circumstances has, especially and including Islamic nations.
This may or may not be true (and eitherway I agree that the worst excesses of many nominal "Islamic" states are beyond the pale and should be vilified).
But what's more worrying is that burningriver openly concedes that Israel has acted "brutally" and "selfishly" but then magics away all accountability for that behaviour on the basis that there are even worse perpatrators in the opposing camp.
That's a bit like claiming the nazi SS are somehow off the hook for massacring the nazi SA members on "the night of the long knives (1934)" because the latter were even "worse" behaved than they were.
True or false this conveniently side-steps the fundamental truth that the SS were still behaving like nazis and you don't want that kind of mentality at the helm of ANY nation - european, arab, israeli, or otherwise.
If only you could see what I have seen through your eyes.
Well stated. There is something weird about what seems to be the forced acceptance of a cultural relativistic mindset that makes Islam equivalent to other moralities that is not there in reality. All legitimate religions have a philosophical universality about them - except Islam that is basically an expansionistic militant totalitarian system of hierarchical oppression. It enlists men by its oppression of women and dehumanization and incitement to violence and a violent state or mind ... many of the stories of Islam appeal to purient interests, like the 70 virgins or whatever it is. Adolescent fantasies because consciously Muslims are not meant to evolve beyond that point in their society, except at the top.
When you use the term terrorism only to pertain to Israel, you impeach your own claims.
Considering your massive lack of proof you get written off as tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy nut!
shareMuslim on Muslim violence exceed anything the Israelis do.
Anyway, I disagree and do not think you have any facts or logic to
support your claims.