did foo fighters already surpassed nirvana?
when it comes to great songs?
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No, they both stink...
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Did crap surpass piss for smelling worse?
shareIgnoring the two idiotic comments above, yes Foo Fighters have surpassed Nirvana. As influential as Nirvana was to their generation, Foo Fighters are every bit as influential to this generation. And they are FAR more successful than Nirvana ever was. This may be largely because Kurt's death prevented Nirvana from having the lengthy career that Foo Fighters have had, but there's no arguing their success.
shareI'm not so sure what you mean by success. In terms of money made, records sold and audience numbers played to then Justin Beiber is very successful. Musically though he's a non entity. I'm not trying to denigrate the Foo Fighters musical ability and their influence on the world stage but they're not even in the same league as Nirvana.
I can't think of a single Foo Fighter song but I'd recognize a Nirvana song almost instantly ... and I'm not even a fan of Nirvana.
When I say success, I'm speaking artistically and commercially. You may not recognize any Foo Fighters songs, but I believe you are in the minority. And I suspect a big reason why you may not recognize a Foo Fighters song is because of the dearth of imitators they have spawned. And that speaks volumes about their influence.
Artistically speaking, if you ask most people who the best "modern rock" band in existence today is, I would bet 9 out of 10 people would say Foo Fighters. And they have been at the top of that mountain for what, 15 years? Unfortunately, we'll never know what continuing artistic or commercial success Nirvana could have had, but in my opinion, both bands were on par with each other artistically and influentially.
Now, if you look at commercial success, there's no question Nirvana can't hold a candle to Foo Fighters. And if you look at awards, same thing (and again, I know Kurt's death makes these difficult comparisons).
Granted, I am biased, because I was never a big Nirvana fan (and I am a huge Foo Fighters fan). I think Nirvana had 3 good songs, and that was about it. But in trying to look at the subject objectively, and with all due respect, I can't see any way that you could argue that Foo Fighters haven't surpassed Nirvana, creatively and commercially.
I will agree with you on one point though...Justin Bieber is a stain on the music industry!
"Artistically speaking, if you ask most people who the best "modern rock" band in existence today is, I would bet 9 out of 10 people would say Foo Fighters."
-HAHAHAHAHAHA, wow, you are something else! I hate to laugh like that but there's really no other response to outright lunacy like your last post. You're a fan, great for you. But don't project your fanaticism onto the masses, please.
If you honestly think 90% of people love FF like you do, it's time to wake up. The fact you refer to anyone who doesn't like them as idiots says it all...
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Well, if you bothered to actually read my post and check the timeline, you'd see that I wasn't referring to the people as idiots. I was referring to their posts ("No, they both stink... " and "Did crap surpass piss for smelling worse?"), which should seem pretty idiotic to anyone with good sense.
But no, you decided to insult me instead, just because my opinion differs from yours. But I guess that tells me everything I need to know about you.
Wait, when did I insult you? I never called you a name or cursed or anything. I said you need to realize not everyone likes FF as much as you, is that what you consider an insult? Also isn't this coming from the guy who calls posts dumb simply because they don't like the band he does?
"I was referring to their posts ("No, they both stink... " and "Did crap surpass piss for smelling worse?"), which should seem pretty idiotic to anyone with good sense. "
-You mean people with musical tastes like you? Good lord you are so full of yourself it's hilarious...
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I'm not sure what you mean by minority. Compared to the total population of any country the number of people that even like the Foo Fighters is a small minority. I also can't for the life of me think of a single well known band that could be classified as a Foo Fighter imitator.
Commercially - I don't have figures for the last 5 years but according to 2007 sources;
Foo Fighters have sold something like 20 million albums worldwide which might be a large number compared to other artists, but compared to the population of the world it is insignificant.
Nirvana 24 million.
I am being objective, I have no axe to grind as I'm not a 'fan' of either band.
In terms of 'artistic' or musical impact Nirvana is significantly more important than Foo Fighters. Part of this is because Nirvana's influence spread far wider than just the rock clique and if we're being brutally honest Nirvana 'was' grunge while the Foo Fighters are just another middle of the road rock band.
Having just listened to Foo Fighters - Foo Fighters
I recognised none of the tracks but could clearly hear influences from both Nirvana and earlier acts.
In terms of '1001 Albums you must hear before you die'.
Foo Fighters 1
Nirvana 2
Perhaps of more significant is the fact that rock as a genre has had it's day.
Of course I wasn't referring to the entire population of the country or the world. That would be ridiculous. I was referring to fans of the "modern rock" genre of music. And I would be amazed if your average modern rock fan wouldn't recognize any Foo Fighters songs. But you are certainly entitled to your opinions (as I am to mine), and far be it for me to tell you you're wrong.
Have a good one!
Ah. We were talking at cross purposes. I don't doubt that the average rock fan would probably recognize Foo Fighters songs. My point was that Nirvana would be recognised by more of the general population.
share"Artistically speaking, if you ask most people who the best "modern rock" band in existence today is, I would bet 9 out of 10 people would say Foo Fighters."
Dude I almost had an aneurysm when I read that. Where do u live??! Is that what the small group of middle school kids around u think, and then u extrapolate that to the masses LOL??
Seriously, Google "Foo Fighters boring" or "Foo Fighters generic" and you will see HORDES OF THREADS AND RANTS, from statistically probably more than 3 of your so called 10, laughing at how middle-of-the-road their music is.
It sucks that Nirvana was such a ground-breaking and original band, and Foo Fighters is even praised at all. "Lithium","Polly", "Something in the Way"...just 3 off my head, compared to what? "Everlong"?? OMFG...
So, by your logic, the fact that Justin Bieber has LEGIONS of fans on the internet, that praise his every move with Pavlovian loyalty, would indicate that he is a HUGELY influential musical artist.
I'm sure you can Google any successful artist, and you'll finds "hordes of threads and rants" about how much they suck. Just as likely that you'll find an equal number of people saying they are awesome.
That's the world we live in. Any idiot with a keyboard and an internet connection can voice whatever opinions they want, and purport them to be facts. It doesn't make what you say right, any more than what I say is right. It's just my opinion, just like your insults towards me are just your opinion.
And 3 out of 10 is hardly a majority. I'd take 7 out of 10 people praising my work every day of the week.
Plus, I'm probably old enough to be your father, and have most likely forgotten more about music history than you'll ever know.
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"Artistically speaking, if you ask most people who the best "modern rock" band in existence today is, I would bet 9 out of 10 people would say Foo Fighters."
TrumpIsAHump:
That's the world we live in. Any idiot with a keyboard and an internet connection can voice whatever opinions they want, and purport them to be facts.
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I still don't think Foo Fighters have managed to write a single song as "important" as All Apologies, About a Girl or Smells Like Teen Spirit were. And I'm a huge fan of the Foos.
As much as Grohl and company kept guitar rock at the fore of popular music post-Kurt, Nirvana was the band who brought it back from the dead in the first place. That's the bigger accomplishment, in my opinion.
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The Foo Fighters are a fantastically bland rock band that everyone can agree on, because you can raise your fist to their songs in a stadium and they also have "street cred" with Dave Grohl having been in Nirvana and generally having become the go-to-guy for all things rock.
Nirvana were brilliant, subversive and game changing for pop culture.
There simply is no contest.
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You must be joking!
I cant stand Foo Fighters ( although I do have massive respect for Dave Grohl). Nirvana were a far superior band in every way.
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I honestly think that Kurt would fkn HATE Groehl's music, and very well is rolling in his grave, possible even blaming himself for what he let happen lol.
In all honesty, from what I read from a Courtney Love interview from before Kurt's death, Kurt didn't like Dave, and was even disliked by many of the band's MANY friends. I'd like to find that interview/story again to confirm. I will post here if I do >:)
I would love to appreciate Dave, but he's too cheesy and his music is so average stadium rock, nothn moving in it at all for me. Even Kurt's slow songs "Polly", "Something in the Way", etc are MORE HARDCORE than Groehl's college butt-rock.
If Foo Fighters ever outsell Nirvana, its only due to longevity, and that (as someone else here pointed out) almost all the other rock music is pretty bad these days.
so now we trust Courtney Love? man, times have changed
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Pure speculation, gossip and opinionated gibberish, Jlird808 - Believe it or not, there are many fans (including myself) who differ from your stance, and are big fans of both Nirvana and Foo Fighters. Also, what a dumb thing to say about Kurt and Courtney. How the heck can you speculate and ascertain what Kurt Cobain would think about Dave these days??
Furthermore, I DO appreciate Dave Grohl for all his talent and creativity as a musician, as exhibited with Nirvana, Foo Fighters, as well as other acts such as Tenacious D and Them Crooked Vultures. He's obviously a nice guy, or all these big-time stars and musicians wouldn't work with him.