Lagertha

Perhaps it would first help if you were to DEFINE what you see as being FEMINISM, because in VIKING CULTURE there was EQUALITY between the SEXES (which was also the reason why LAGERTHA had the OPTION to DIVORCE RAGNAR for CHEATING on her whereas in CHRISTIAN CULTURE at that time other women DID NOT have that OPTION).

And HAVING CHILDREN also doesn't mean WOMEN couldn't also be SHIELD MAIDENS (as was also demonstrated by LAGERTHA and by the MOTHER of THE BROOD MARE who was also a FAMOUS WARRIOR and LEGEND).

That other FEMALE BJORN got involved with who also FIGHTS in BATTLES with the MEN also keeps saying how much she looks forward to having children (unlike PORUNN who didn't like it and LEFT after she had LITTLE SIGGY).

AGAIN, LAGERTHA was NOT BARREN. She got PREGNANT AGAIN TWO TIMES after she had her daughter. The FIRST TIME ends in a MISCARRIAGE, as does the 2ND PREGNANCY, but we also know the reason she has the 2nd MISCARRIAGE was because she kept doing things she shouldn't have been doing (like pulling on the ROPES to drag the BOATS across the land in PARIS). And RAGNAR also WARNS her not to do it, but she's convinced that the SEER knew she'd miscarry so she doesn't listen and probably CAUSED the MISCARRIAGE by doing that.

BARREN WOMEN DO NOT GET PREGNANT. Since she got pregnant TWICE, she's obviously NOT BARREN.

The problem is after age 35 getting pregnant isn't as easy as when one is still a teenager or is still 20 something. So if RAGNAR had more patience and waited, she could also have gotten pregnant again. And that's also what he TRIED to do, because he also told the BROOD MARE to LEAVE HIM ALONE after BJORN complained, but she still CONTINUED to PURSUE him anyhow.

AGAIN, MALES in CHRISTIAN CULTURE were NOT ALLOWED to DIVORCE. The only reason HENRY was able to do so was because he BROKE AWAY from the CATHOLIC CHURCH and established his OWN CHURCH. But that still didn't RESULT in his having any SON that became his HEIR to the THRONE. And that's also a situation that took place 800 YEARS later on in HISTORY (which also means it had NOTHING whatsoever to do with THIS TIME PERIOD).

And what happened in your TIME PERIOD also has NOTHING to do with what happens in the TIME of RAGNAR either.

COMMON SENSE tells one RAGNAR is MARRIED when he's also got a 12 YEAR OLD SON with him and one also SEDUCES him right in front of that SON. And she also did it because she KNEW BJORN would be sure to TELL HIS MOTHER about it (which she also knew would cause trouble between LAGERTHA and RAGNAR). And the reason it matters is because it also illustrates how MORALLY BANKRUPT the BROOD MARE was to PURSUE an already MARRIED MAN.

THE BROOD MARE SEDUCED RAGNAR by BATHING NAKED in the WOODS where he was also told to go LOOK at a TREE. It was a SET UP. The KING also went to the VIKING TEMPLE to check out RAGNAR because he wanted the LAND in KATTEGAT. Then that KING told RAGNAR to attack the other EARL (who attacked and took over KATTEGAT before the KING tried to do it).

RAGNAR the FORMER FARMER was being USED as a PAWN and THE BROOD MARE was also a part of that (because she was also under the RULE of the KING and the other EARL). That's how she could afford that SHIP and all of those SERVANTS she had when she arrives UNINVITED in KATTEGAT to show off her BIG BELLY to LAGERTHA. Because she also KNEW DOING SO would PISS OFF LAGERTHA and be a way to GET RID of her.

Plus she also SAT there and BRAGS about being a PRINCESS because her father killed a DRAGON and her mother was also a famous WARRIOR. And that also made LAGERTHA feel INFERIOR to her and as if she had no way to compete with her (because THE BROOD MARE also INSULTS her when she made the other comment about how the parents of LAGERTHA were ONLY FARMERS).

RAGNAR was SET UP, LAGERTHA was SET UP, and all because the KING and the OTHER EARL wanted the LAND they'd gotten from the OTHER EARL that RAGNAR killed. And IF RAGNAR had NOT become an EARL, the BROOD MARE would also NEVER have been INTERESTED in him AT ALL. Because she's also a GOLD DIGGER at HEART (just like the other KING and the OTHER EARL).

So NO. Ragner didn't PURSUE THE BROOD MARE. Because after He asked her to LEAVE HIM ALONE, she DID NOT and still continued to STALK and PURSUE HIM. Look at the way he HIDES behind the POST when she SHOWS up in KATTEGAT on that SHIP.

I can't even recall who this other character you mention was anymore. But IT IS YOU who VIEW the VIKING CULTURE through the LENS of MODERN TIMES (your OWN TIME and that of HENRY the 8th).

RAGNAR DID NOT BRING the BROOD MARE BACK with him. She SHOWS UP in KATTEGAT without being INVITED to be there 9 MONTHS LATER (after he'd had his VERY BRIEF FLING with her).

And when she ARRIVED on that SHIP, she PROCEEDS to SHOW OFF by having her SERVANT GIRLS (who are all DRESSED ALIKE like SOLDIERS) cook the dinner, at which she PROCEEDS to INSULT LAGERTHA by making RUDE REMARKS about how INFERIOR her PARENTS were (because they were ONLY FARMERS and weren't FAMOUS like her parents).

PLUS when she also tries to claim she and BJORN were FRIENDS, BJORN told her that they WERE NOT. So it's QUITE CLEAR for anyone who PAYS ATTENTION that NO ONE WANTED her to be there. And IF it wasn't for her BIG BELLY, then RAGNAR would also have SENT HER BACK to where she came from again.

In other words, all he cared about was the CHILD she carried (NOT HER). And that was also MADE EVIDENT later on when he also CONFESSED to NEVER having LOVED HER.

SO NO. THE BROOD MARE didn't DEFER to LAGERTHA. On the CONTRARY, EVERYTHING she did was to INTIMIDATE and INSULT her in hopes that doing so would GET RID of HER (which also WORKED). The BOTTOM LINE is THE BROOD MARE was just as DEVIOUS and as IMMORAL as the OTHER EARL and the OTHER KING who also ATTACKED KATTEGAT. It's just the way THE BROOD MARE ATTACKS was more SUBTLE (due to the way she used her FEMININITY to do so instead of using a SWORD or a WEAPON).

And YES RAGNAR had 4 other SONS, but also LOOK at how they've done NOTHING but FIGHT with each other and KILL each other (because IVAR KILLED his brother SIGARD).

So the FAMILY would also have been MUCH BETTER OFF without 4 more sons who also STILL FIGHT with each other for the control of KATTEGAT.

POLYGAMY WAS NOT the CUSTOM of their TIMES. It was a CHOICE that one could make if one CHOSE to do so, but it was also NOT what RAGNAR and LAGERTHA CHOSE to do when they married one another at least 13 YEARS ago (because they also had a 12 YEAR OLD SON).

So it was also WRONG for RAGNAR to decide to have another WIFE without first asking his WIFE if it would be ok. And he also KNEW that it would NOT BE OK with her.

SO NO. POLYGAMY was also NOT something that LAGERTHA should have been EXPECTED to accept and do which was also why she told RAGNAR that he had INSULTED and HUMLIATED HER by suggesting that she do so.

THE BROOD MARE was a SPOILED PRINCESS. She didn't LOVE her SON. She was OBSESSED with having CONTROL of HIM and with KEEPING RAGNAR from having anything to do with RAISING HIM because SHE'S the ONE WHO BROKE the CUSTOM of KILLING KIDS that were CRIPPLES.

And then the REST of the FAMILY were made MISERABLE because of the way IVAR kept CRYING all the time and keeping them all AWAKE. And FLOKI is also an EXTREMIST (the same as any other RIGHT WING EXTREMIST in US CULTURE) which means he also ISN'T a part of the more MAIN STREAM VIKING CULTURE (because FLOKI is basically also a NUT JOB as well as being a PSYCHOPATHIC personality). So by handing over IVAR to be RAISED by FLOKI instead of by RAGNAR what she did was CREATE A MONSTER (which is also why she is NOT a GOOD MOTHER).

LAGERTHA didn't SLEEP her way to EVERY POSITION. She's only had ONE POSITION (that of EARL) which she got from KILLING her ABUSIVE HUSBAND. And then she became QUEEN of KATTEGAT after she KILLED the BROOD MARE (who she also DID NOT SLEEP with as a way to get that POSITION which was also already HERS before the BROOD MARE SHOWED UP and SHOVED her OUT of the WAY by SHOWING off her BIG BELLY).

SO NO. THE BROOD MARE was a SPOILED BRAT when RAGNAR MET HER and she also NEVER overcame being that way. And she also raised IVAR to be the SAME WAY. And SETTING her SLAVE GIRL FREE was also NOT a WISE thing to do, because after being TOLD what to do all of her life the POOR GIRL also had NO CLUE how to live in a FREE SOCIETY.

Also NOTE the way she CHOSE to make LAGERTHA (not the BROOD MARE) her ROLE MODEL.

And that's also because PORUNN also knew LAGERTHA was a BETTER PERSON than her FORMER BOSS LADY who had PURCHASED her and USED her so that she wouldn't have to do her own COOKING, SEWING, and other HOUSEHOLD CHORES.

LAGERTHA DID NOT SLEEP her way to her TITLE. She was MARRIED to RAGNAR when he became EARL. And she was also MARRIED to him when he became a KING which also made her a QUEEN.

On the CONTRARY, it was THE BROOD MARE who SLEEPS with RAGNAR as a way to STEAL that TITLE and TAKE IT AWAY from LAGERTHA ... by SPREADING her SLEAZY STINKY FISHY SMELLY LEGS as a way to be able to do so. (Also NOTE the way she SHOWS up wearing NOTHING but a SEE THROUGH FISH NET when she FIRST MEETS RAGNAR as a way to SHOW OFF her NAKED BODY and SEDUCE him ... which also illustrates what a MASTER MANIPULATOR she was).

Then the ENTIRE TOWN of KATTEGAT also made FUN of her for the WAY that SHE ALWAYS SMELLED LIKE FISH from SCREWING her LOVER in the FISH HUT (where she also thought no one would know what she was doing but the FISH SMELL also revealed precisely what she did).

The BOTTOM LINE here is the way that she USED HER BODY to GET WHAT SHE WANTED and she also PAYS a VERY HIGH PRICE for it. Thus meaning LAGERTHA also had the RIGHT TO KILL HER for the way that she STOLE HER LIFE as QUEEN of KATTEGAT away from her (just like that other KING TRIED to STEAL it from RAGNAR's before he and all the rest of his FAMILY except for one son were MURDERED).

And The ONLY REASON why KATTEGAT becomes PROSPEROUS was because RAGNAR and LAGERTHA spent a YEAR in PARIS BUSTING their ASS as a way to GET INSIDE of it, while the LAZY SPOILED ROTTEN BROOD MARE remained behind and did NOTHING but SIT around GETTING DRUNK because of the way that she DISCOVERED her LOVER had been CHEATING on her by SCREWING several other women there in KATTEGAT besides her. So she FELT SORRY for herself after that and tried to DROWN her SORROWS in ALCOHOL.

So trying to claim this DRUNKEN THIEF was responsible for the MANAGEMENT of the PLACE is a complete LOAD of RUBBISH.

Because It was all of the LOOT that RAGNAR and LAGERTHA BRING back from PARIS that turns KATTEGUT into a TRADE CENTER. And the DRUNKEN BROOD MARE also had NOTHING whatsoever to do with that. And People also came to TRADE their goods for the TREASURE from PARIS.

This other stuff about her making it clear that she only SCREWED her LOVER as a way to RELIEVE the pain of her son is also NONSENSE as well. She FELL HEAD over HEELS for that WEIRDO even when SIGGY tried to WARN her that he was trouble. Then she also BECAME a DRUNK after she found him SCREWING those 2 other WOMEN at the SAME TIME.

But you're right that RAGNAR didn't LOVE HER, because he also TOLD HER SO. And you're also WRONG about how LOVE didn't MATTER (which is also PROVEN by the kind of RELATIONSHIP RAGNAR had with LAGERTHA before THE BROOD MARE SHOWS UP UNINVITED in KATTEGAT and PROCEEDS to RUIN IT.

SIGGY was also the WIFE of the other EARL before RAGNAR killed him. And it was also HER SKILLS which enabled KATTEGAT to ENDURE. Because she's also the one who TOLD RAGNAR what to do and what was what. And after LAGERTHA LEAVES, SIGGY also stayed on to GUIDE the BROOD MARE, who also REFUSED to LISTEN to her or take her ADVICE (which is also the reason why she and all of her SONS would have been KILLED if someone else hadn't told ROLLO what to do).

As you may recall, he took her and the BOYS to a FARM where they stayed in HIDING (where she also COMPLAINED all the time about being there and said she wanted to go stay in the NICER HALL of someone else). Then ROLLO also had to remind her that would be the kind of PLACE where the other EARL would FIND HER and KILL HER. So Instead of being GREATFUL for having a place to stay, all she did was GRIPE about how DIRTY the place was and how MISERABLE she was staying there (thus also proving how SPOILED she was).

So YES LAGERTHA killed her, but she also DESERVED IT. But if IVAR kills LAGERTHA, it also won't be FITTING. It will just mean he's KILLED BOTH HER GRANDCHILD LITTLE SIGGY and her GRANDMOTHER. What may happen is they will STAB each other AT THE SAME TIME (like KING ARTHUR and HIS SON did when they KILLED each other at the same time in the film called EXCALIBER).

And NO. The SEER also didn't PREDICT how LAGERTHA would die.

And being a CRIPPLE isn't the reason why IVAR is a PSYCHO. It's because of the WAY he was RAISED by his MOTHER (who also SPOILED HIM the SAME way as SHE herself was also SPOILED).

And If she had let VIKING CUSTOM decide his FATE the way that she was SUPPOSE to, then he would also NOT EXIST. And several people would also have been BETTER OFF if he had not.

FLOKI is a NUT JOB … AN EXTREMIST. It's the same as if THE BROOD MARE handed IVAR over to be raised by JIM JONES (who got his entire FLOCK of followers to drink the POISONED KOOL AID). That's also the reason why the ICELAND SETTLEMENT FAILED (because of FLOKI being the same kind of RELIGIOUS FANATIC as Jim Jones).

So NO. He isn't someone who "KEEPS the CULTURE." He's someone who CORRUPTS it with his FANATICISM and with his EXTREME VIEWS of how he thinks it should be (which was also demonstrated when he KILLS ATHELSTAN the same way as the BROOD MARE KILLS the other CHRISTIAN MISSIONARY).

So NO. NEITHER the WRITER for the show nor myself PANDER or CATER to MODERN SENSIBILITES.

On the CONTRARY, it would be YOU who CHOSE to CHAMPION HENRY THE 8th ... who also DIED of being INFECTED with VD ... (or with STD's which he also passed on to his OFFSPRING ... who also DIED as a result of having been BORN with it).

If LAGERTHA hadn't KILLED the BROOD MARE one also suspects she'd have DIED the same way HENRY did, especially after SCREWING that other SLEAZY WHORE who was her LOVER (the one who also SCREWED everything he could the same way as HENRY the 8TH did).

So go ahead and CHAMPION a couple of SLEAZY WHORES like them if you like, BUT LAGERTHA was also still a MUCH BETTER PERSON than the SELFISH GOLD DIGGING BROOD MARE.

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I think she is. It takes an effort to alternate between lower case and caps like that. By contrast, Kowalski probably just has his caps lock on all the time.

Interesting that the cultures with polygamy always seem to allow one husband to have multiple wives, but not the reverse.