Bjorn and Porun's daughter
Whatever happened to her?
shareI believe Ivar killed her when they were toddlers.
shareNo, that was another child Ivar killed by accident.
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I believe Sigurd actually killed her. He was annoyed by her and when Aslaug inquired as to her whereabouts last season, and one of her wine induced stupors...Sigurd said she had drowned. Ivar is deathly afraid of the water. it could have been an accident but something is off with Sigurd.
share*in one of her wine induced stupors.
shareHave you forgot that each visit from Harbard inudes children deaths. I take little Siggy death was one of them.
shareHave you forgot that each visit from Harbard inudes children deaths. I take little Siggy death was one of them.Excellent point, especially since little Siggy was found in water, and drowned children are a sign that Harbard's around.
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She died of either starvation or from the elements because of Aslaug's neglect. There's a scene in Season 4A (can't recall which episode) where young Sigurd finds her body in a river.
shareRight, Sigurd didn't kill her. He was actually sad when she died and nobody else seemed to care.
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Been reading the posts above and I can't believe people didn't get it. Coming up with the most unsubtle explanations like Ivar or Sigurd or Harburd killed her when Aslaug's neglect is part of the narrative.
shareI'm so sick of people blaming Aslaug. She raised little Siggy from a baby, for years and years, and she finally got tired of taking care of a child no one wanted. How about you blame Bjorn, the father? Better still, how about you remember that Lagertha has also woefully neglected a child, Torvi's son? She promised to take care of him to get Torvi to shack up with Bjorn, and then she took off raiding. Even if Torvi's son grew to manhood, it was in spite of Lagertha's neglect, not because of it. Nobody on this board gave a damn about little Siggy until she died, and they still don't care. Little Siggy's death is just used as one more reason to hate on Aslaug, the only person who ever did care for that child.
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A child is a child, it won't grow on autopilot. If "no one wants it" and you are tired of bringing it up, you can either have a talk with his parents and denounce responsibility unless they take action or get a slave (they had so many around) or any other available person who is interested to take care of the child. Just getting drunk and sitting around being angry at your husband, whom you wanted and you chased in the first place, and at everyone else but your favourite kid is not an excuse for another child's death. She didn't even care for the other kid, whom Ivar killed by accident. She should at least apologise to the mother, let alone tell him that it's okay.
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Doesn't it occur to you that Bjorn going out to raid is a way of providing for little Siggy? That's what many Viking men (and many women of course) did to make money for themselves and family in those days, they didn't do it just for fun. If Aslaug had acted like a normal person and taken care of her step-niece, or at least got a slave to do it, then Bjorn would've returned with many riches and gifts for little Siggy. She could've become a shield maiden and fought alongside her dad and uncles today.
Whether I blame Aslaug or not is irrelevant, her drunken neclect is clear and is also part of the narrative as I said. It isn't up for interpretation.
I don't hate Aslaug, like what Bjorn said about his father, she's a human with many dreams and many failings. I do empathise with her on many things, and I hope Lagertha doesn't treat her harshly or vice versa.
I don't "hate" her either, sometimes I empathise with her but I don't like her that much either. I prefer Lagertha in many ways, she's more straightforward and I think she should be queen but yeah, I hope they avoid killing each other to say the least.
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Oh aye, Lagertha's place is and should always have been Kattegat. Aslaug is a homewreaker but it's Ragnar's fault too. He let his balls get to his head on that one.
shareYes! Of course it's both their fault. And then he told his son not to think with his penis... twice :p
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No, Bjorn raiding was not a way of providing for his daughter. Even Ragnar told Bjorn to take care of his daughter and Bjorn didn't want to because she was a reminder of Porunn.
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Yes years and years ago when Bjorn was still a teenager. I highly doubt the Bjorn who's in his 30s now would still be acting that way if little Siggy was still alive.
shareYes years and years ago when Bjorn was still a teenager. I highly doubt the Bjorn who's in his 30s now would still be acting that way if little Siggy was still alive.What is your point? That if Bjorn hadn't thrown away his daughter, she might still be alive? That it's acceptable for a man to throw away his child? That we should look at how Bjorn might act now, instead of how he did act then?
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Of course I don't think it's OK. I'm annoyed at Bjorn for his attitude, but I know that if Siggy had lived, Bjorn would've eventually manned up (which he did) and made sure she had everything she needed. He's a flawed character like most of them, but there's no way he would've allowed Siggy to be neglected like that.
Which is why I hope Sigurd tells him the truth about what happened soon because we can assume Aslaug just told Bjorn that she died of an illness. Plus Sigurd already harbours resentment towards his mum so who knows.
I know that if Siggy had lived, Bjorn would've eventually manned up (which he did) and made sure she had everything she needed.You don't know that Bjorn would have "manned up" and taken care of his daughter, because she died. You're hoping that since Bjorn became more mature, he would have become more caring towards his daughter. There is no correlation between greater maturity and more fatherly instinct.
He's a flawed character like most of them, but there's no way he would've allowed Siggy to be neglected like that.But that's exactly what Bjorn did. He completely rejected little Siggy because she was a reminder of something painful in his life. That's a character flaw, all right, rejecting your child because it's painful to look at her, but it's not necessarily one that advancing years would remedy. After all, look at how old Ragnar is, and how he knows he failed his family, and he didn't step up to take care of little Siggy either. He was her own blood grandfather, and beyond admonishing Bjorn to care for the child, he didn't want to care for her either.
I hope Sigurd tells him the truth about what happened soon because we can assume Aslaug just told Bjorn that she died of an illness.We can assume no such thing. Aslaug and/or Sigurd might have told Bjorn that little Siggy was found dead in a stream, and he might not have cared. I doubt the subject will come up now, but if it does, I doubt he'll care after all these years. And for the record, if he did get mad, he would be the most massive hypocrite the show has ever produced, throwing his daughter away and then after almost two decades getting upset that when he threw her away, she died.
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Exactly. Even though little Siggy wasn't Aslaug's responsibility (since her own father was around but didn't even care to visit her), she had taken her under her roof and promised Bjorn that she'd take care of her. Aslaug was in total denial those days, she was angry and bitter and only really cared for Ivar, who consequently became a spoilt brat. His answer "Who cares?" at the news of little Siggy's death was shocking.
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Even though little Siggy wasn't Aslaug's responsibility
I have to disagree with you there, little Siggy was her husband's granddaughter. I'd say for family's sake that she was obligated to look after her while Bjorn was away providing for his daughter, which as I said above, is what he was doing. That's how Viking warriors 'went to work' so to speak. share
Yes, that's how they worked. But nowhere in the show did Bjorn show that he cared for this child, he said she reminded him of things he'd rather forget and he left her alone in other people's hands. He didn't even say he has sad about her death anywhere, in any episode :( Contrary to Floki, for example, who hadn't really been the best father either, but he was crushed when his daughter died.
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I doubt that he would've felt that way permanently, he was still young. But we'll never definitively know since she wasn't alive when he returned. We didn't get a reaction from Bjorn about his daughter since it cut straight to ten years later after the failed raid on Paris. We can assume that Aslaug just told Bjorn that Siggy died of an illness.
sharePossibly. Still, the writers could have included a line where he mentioned this to someone, his father for example. Not mentioning anything leaves me under the impression that Bjorn remained immature...
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We might still get something on it. Sigurd might tell Bjorn the truth one day.
shareAslaug is the only reason she lived long as she did. Lagertha never cared of her existence and was very cold/unfeeling towards her for Grandmother.. In fact no one seemed to care about her that much.
shareAslaug is the only reason she lived long as she did. Lagertha never cared of her existence and was very cold/unfeeling towards her for Grandmother.. In fact no one seemed to care about her that much.Exactly.
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