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The constant looming fear of Cheryl getting raped?


I understand this was probably a necessary element to having a female alone and hiking in the wild encountering men who could easily overpower her. I understand that a constant sense of tension and suspense should be included in the movie. And I understand that she should be afraid when encountering strangers who could rape or maim her at any moment.

BUT, what I don't think is necessary are the constant interactions where she has to fear for her life that a man will act violently just because they are alone and she can't protect herself. Now, having said this, let me state that i'm not one of those people who nit-picks movies looking to see if it's pro-women or not, in fact I think this movie is predominantly pro-women in it's portrayal of these strong female characters and the issues they face and eventually overcome and independent individuals. I just thought putting her in this same scenario in which she may/may not get raped was extremely cheap, tasteless and repetitive. I really did love this movie though and this is virtually my only complaint.

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What does her being promiscuous have to do with the fear of being raped?

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It's a reasonable assumption that promiscuity would lead to a belief that men are "only interested in one thing".

And that is the impression the men in the movie make. Notable exceptions are the squirrely young men in Oregon & the prepubescent child. Everyone else sends pervy signals. Don't get me wrong, intuition is good. People with ill-will take steps to conceal their intent. Just because you can't rationally explain the fear cues doesn't mean you shouldn't listen to them.

It's that the author was a bit of a yarn spinner. For example, what's with all the sketchy guys speaking in a southern twang? This movie was set in California/Oregon. Of course those states have "rednecks" but they're not southerners. Seemed like a reference to Deliverance.

miss_understood666 really gets at the heart of why this bugs me; the protagonist is in very real danger from other factors & those are a total afterthought. This movie reminded of that Krakauer book, Into the Wild. Poor, dumb kid never had a shot because he never considered the immediate dangers.

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A lot of people in the west speak with a southern accent. Some people affect a southern twang to let people know their cultural orientation ... George W. Bush pretended to be a Southern cowboy, but he was born in New Haven, Connecticut, and went to school at Yale. Effecting that Southern accent is enough to throw Republicans off track of who one really is, like slinging the Bible or hugging the flag, or talking about the war against Christmas.

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"Code switching" is a thing. But why do that for a crunchy white woman from Minneapolis?

PS-there's a lot of stubborn TX pride mixed up in any discussion of the origins of the Bush family. The elder Bush was indeed a carpet bagger. The younger Bush was a toddler when they moved & grew up there. I don't think he's faking it.

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"Effecting that Southern accent..."

This Republican doesn't care about the Bible, flag hugging, or the "war against Christmas", but he knows that it's "affecting", not "effecting". A phony accent is an affectation. There's no such thing as an effectation.

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Thanks, I was going to say that, but I googled the wrong site I guess.

But to be right about that triviality and wrong about political issues is not really much of a tradeoff.

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"It's a reasonable assumption that promiscuity would lead to a belief that men are "only interested in one thing"."

No, it's not. All sorts of women are afraid of being raped - virgins, prostitutes, young girls, little old ladies, every sort of female in between, and if you had any experience of the real world or had ever listened to anything women say on the subject, then you'd know that. And yes, you CAN rape a prostitute, before you complain about that one, it's a violent physical assault and not just grabbing a freebie!

In the book Cheryl Strayed was quite clear that she liked men, she enjoyed the company of many guys she'd met on the trail, and had brought condoms along in case she found someone she really liked (she did). I'd say she was less fearful of rape than the average woman, because she spent months in the wilderness where a seriously fearful woman would have just stayed home.

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Figured my comment might come off as troll-ish. Haven't read the book. And the screenplay was adapted by Nick Hornby so I wasn't necessarily taking potshots at Strayed.

On fear: some develop procedures to manage threats. Others see threats as unlikely & just live with them. We all do both, to a degree. I'm unsure which combination of approaches yields the least fear, let alone which one is best. But I have to insist the fear is situational. The little old lady experiences fear differently than a young girl, no?

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I'm not sure that little old ladies experience fear differently than a kid, or that any human experiences fear differently from any other. IMHO the feeling is the same, it's that we're all afraid of different things, and it's dickish to mock another person's reasonable fears, or to make unkind assumptions about them such as yours.

And yes, fear of assault or injury while hiking in the wilderness is entirely reasonable, accidents happen (I broke my leg hiking last month), and if you;re assaulted by another human there won't be any help at hand. Every hiker is aware of the risks, I was when I broke my leg, but we go anyway. Now the thing about Strayed is that she was both very brave and very foolhardy, she knew she'd be taking some serious risks and accepted the risk, but she really didn't understand HOW dangerous her trip was. But once she realized just how bad things could get, she kept going, and she was wiser, more courageous, and more stable by the end of her trip.

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If you are talking about a little old lady fearing rape differently than a young girl, I don't think that's true. Some women fear more than others, but anytime one is walking alone, waiting at a bus stop....etc. there is a fear. It doesn't matter how old you are.

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If I were in her situation, I think that fear would always be present on the back of my mind. How would one defend herself? And I also think it says something about human nature that that fear stands out more in the movie than the fear of dying of exhaustion, of wild beasts attacking, etc...

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Good point, even her dying from lack of water isn't as tense as this.

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Exactly.

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Hiking rule #1. Do not hike alone.

Go Big Red

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I always hike with my two best friends. Smith & Wesson. Pretty reliable.

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Unfortunately, Wild is more of a contrived "women's movie" than I hoped for. It is similar in its POV with typical Jodie Foster and Drew Barrymore products. Most of the men in it were presented as either a sexual threat or as a sexual desire; only a few portrayed were more ordinary men (neither evil nor noble/ repugnant nor attractive) that one would more likely encounter on the PCT. The film's success is limited to a subjective portrayal of the worldview of its main character, but it wasn't marketed as such. Overly melodramatic when it needn't be. Disappointing.

Life is a state of mind.

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Actually I think only one of the men was portrayed as a threat, the men she encountered when she found water, out of both of them only one looked slightly threatening.
The first man she meets looks threatening to her, because she was alone in the desert, without any means of communicating with anyone, and she had found a gun, but the guy turned out to be a decent man, even offered her shelter and a warm meal, and a ride. The rest of the men she meets actually help her along her way, the guy that is bathing in the river tells her to meet him at a camping ground and introduces her to his friends, who in no way threatened to rape or maim her. The man at the camp site who was grilling helped her organize her backpack and told her how to stop losing toenails, the guy from "hobo times" never threatened her, he actually even gave her a "hobo care package" (which I thought was hilarious).

The ranger she met just asked her to go drink with him, didn't push it one more time after the other MEN hikers came into the ranger's office, and they never threatened or even seemed slightly threatening towards her, they even called her "The Queen of the PCT".

Only another guy was seen with sexual desire, Michel Huisman and... let's face it, he's very attractive, and was nice to her, they had a connection, she slept with him willingly, he never once hurt her, in fact he was careful not to harm her bruises even more, bruises that she inflicted on herself in the hike.

I actually thought this movie did a very good job portraying men as most men are, just normal, decent human beings, not animals who are unable to control their most basic urges.

Before the hike she was promiscuous and, to quote the therapist she spoke to, was "having sex with anyone who asked". She was doing the sleeping around, no men were raping her, she was never even threatened with rape.

And also, as a woman, I am always looking out for men who could be dangerous, unfortunately it's the world we live in, women are told to always be vigilant, I'm not even as skinny as Reese Witherspoon was in the movie, and I'm afraid a man could overpower me and rape or kill me.

EDIT: Hell, even the husband, who she repeatedly cheated on, helped her out for most of the trip!

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I think you're right that as a woman you have to remain aware of men who might take advantage. Especially when you are far from home and have no one to turn to for help. I've been in a situation where I was stranded and desperate for help and while most of the men I encountered were kind and helpful there were also a couple who pretended to be nice only so they could take advantage. If I hadn't been careful I could have ended up with a bad situation turning a lot worse. Most men won't take advantage of a woman, but all it takes is one and you never know who that one guy is.

OT - Great signature! It's one of my favorite scenes with Tyrion.

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Madonna, regarding the fear of being raped, most often it is an aquaintance who is the rapist. It happened to me. A "friend"of my older brother.

There is a "typical " victim in that size does matter. The size range most often overtaken is under 5'5" and less than 130 lbs.. That's a lot of women. Just because that's the size range of victims doesn't mean everyone else should breath a sigh of relief. It can happen to anyone, even men.

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Thats because men who dont fall into either category (rapists and hot guys), are invisible to women.

Where have all the good men gone?


They are everywhere, women just dont "see" unattractive men. Thats why this movie is actually quite funny. It shows the feminine POV, which is hilarious.

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I have often hiked alone and I agree it is best not to when possible. The problem is that it is not always possible.

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Just curious, but are you a man? I can only assume that you are. Ask any woman, and I'm sure all of them would attest to having had at least one uncomfortable if not downright scary interaction with a man in their lifetime. It's the world we live in, unfortunately.

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Yup I'm a guy, with two daughters in their mid-20's. I expected some threat and/or violence, but this movie practically portrays male sexual predators as a constant element in the wild, which narrows and sensationalizes the film significantly.

Life is a state of mind.

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She met like 10+ guys in the movie. Only one was definitely rapey, his friend was sketchy, and the mail/ranger guy was just hitting on her in an annoying way. All the other guys were nice. 2 out of 10 isn't what I would call a constant element of sexual predators. However, through Cheryl's eyes, you do get a peek into how vulnerable women can feel, indeed, this was one woman's personal experience. Ask your daughters. I can't imagine they've never been in a situation where they were made to feel uncomfortable, if not threatened.

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Yes I get it, and having daughters may help. As one reviewer cogently states, "a lone woman in the wilderness means every encounter with the opposite sex comes cloaked in uneasiness and potential full-on fear." But Wild overplays and confounds this concept by making too many of the opposite sex so encountered by our heroine real creeps or worse. The first person she meets on her hike is shown as a creepy older guy whom she eventually accepts a ride from only because she is so desperate for help. With his inappropriate banter, he is portrayed as a threat (didn't you tense up and worry about her safety during their initial meeting?) and only until a wife is presented is the threat softened. Then she meets two threatening men, one of whom is clearly portrayed as a likely rapist, and she understandably runs away from them the first chance she gets. She then meets the weird ranger who inappropriately and persistently harasses her. That is a total of four unusual and repugnant guys, which is at least 30 to 40% of the men she is shown significantly interacting with during her time on the PCT. She later meets a highly attractive man whom she has romantic sex with, which seems to be contrived as a counterpoint to her earlier experiences. I didn't go into this movie expecting an amount of sexual politics more typical of "women's movies". Perhaps you did.


Life is a state of mind.

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Yes I get it, and having daughters may help. As one reviewer cogently states, "a lone woman in the wilderness means every encounter with the opposite sex comes cloaked in uneasiness and potential full-on fear." But Wild overplays and confounds this concept by making too many of the opposite sex so encountered by our heroine real creeps or worse. The first person she meets on her hike is shown as a creepy older guy whom she eventually accepts a ride from only because she is so desperate for help. With his inappropriate banter, he is portrayed as a threat (didn't you tense up and worry about her safety during their initial meeting?) and only until a wife is presented is the threat softened. Then she meets two threatening men, one of whom is clearly portrayed as a likely rapist, and she understandably runs away from them the first chance she gets. She then meets the weird ranger who inappropriately and persistently harasses her. That is a total of four unusual and repugnant guys, which is at least 30 to 40% of the men she is shown significantly interacting with during her time on the PCT. She later meets a highly attractive man whom she has romantic sex with, which seems to be contrived as a counterpoint to her earlier experiences. I didn't go into this movie expecting an amount of sexual politics more typical of "women's movies". Perhaps you did.


Life is a state of mind.


Every thought I had on the matter summed up in a single post.

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THAT IS HOW THE WORLD IS WHEN YOU ARE SKINNY YOUNG PRETTY GIRL IT IS JUST THE WAY IT IS ACCEPT IT!

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No matter how often you repeat it, it is still not true. Most male characters were portrayed as neither sexual desire nor sexual threat.

Maybe you were looking for it to the point when you started imagining it?

The ranger is harassing her? WTF are you talking about? He asked her to go for a drink with him a total sum of once! At the next morning he brings her coffee. Wow what a creep! Have that guy locked up!

The two hunters were the only guys portrayed as a threat! And in the end only one really seems to have had bad intentions towards her when he comes back alone.

Your claims are a very far stretch!

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@zappalover.

The first person she meets on her hike is shown as a creepy older guy whom she eventually accepts a ride from only because she is so desperate for help. With his inappropriate banter, he is portrayed as a threat (didn't you tense up and worry about her safety during their initial meeting?) and only until a wife is presented is the threat softened.
I definitely felt the same way as Cheryl during this scene.

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You cannot watch this movie and assume that any of these encounters were safe, the film was far too tense to take any of these males at face value and there was a constant looming threat that things could've turned ugly. They didn't, but you cannot deny the potential sense of peril that follows the film.

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> with a man in their lifetime.

Yep. And this movie showed constant "Scary" interactions in one tiny part of her life. Did you not understand why this is lame?

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And this movie showed constant "Scary" interactions in one tiny part of her life. Did you not understand why this is lame?


Well, the "one tiny part of her life" was during a time when every interaction was when she was alone, with nobody to come to her assistance. It's not like they showed 6 months of her life back home where every time she went out running errands, she would run into a man and she would fear being raped. THAT would be lame. But in this case, every time she ran into a man, she was alone in a remote area. The fear is understandable. Sometimes, as with the first man who seemed creepy at first but turned out to be a good guy (with a wife) who helped her, the fear in retrospect was because she was so vulnerable. Other times, the guy was seriously thinking about it, or at least made a point of playing up the dynamic that he COULD rape her.

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Ive had more than one "downright scary interaction" with a female.

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The author of the book this movie is based upon is a hard-core feminist. Feminists love to complain about so-called "rape culture." So it's only natural that half the movie would be dedicated to her fears of being raped by evil heterosexual white men.

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Do you deny that women are far more likely to be victims of sexual assault than men? Do you deny that women are objectified much more? By the time I was 20, I could count on 2 hands the number of people I knew who had been raped or molested as children. Two were boys. I don't know if I'd call it a "rape culture" but we're failing somehow in how we raise our kids. We're doing something wrong. We need to find out what it is and fix it.

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I will deny that. More men are raped every year than woman. Yes, let's fix that.

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Majority of sexual assaults occur from people that the victim know. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-43128350

It doesn't speak volumes to this illusive "rape culture", it speaks volumes to the fact that rapists are people closest to the victims.

So in reality, someone is more likely to be raped at home or the home of someone they know than by a complete stranger... especially if the stranger is a straight white male, given that a significant portion of anonymous rapes for persons over the age of 18 are committed by straight black men:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-43

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"White men"? Like men of color don't rape?

I SHOT THAT FAT, BAR KEEP!

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It's too bad there seems to be a bit of a divide between the sexes in reviewing this film. I am female and felt that the encounters Cheryl has with men in the film rang true.

And yes Michiel Huisman is very attractive and very sexy. :D

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IF YOU ARE NOT AWARE THEY WILL BLAME YOU FOR BEING RAPED 1 IN 4 WOMAN ARE RAPED

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Oh my god!!!!! The men on this thread who are complaining about the portrayal of men as dangerous need to sit down and shut the f up!!!!! Walk a couple of miles in any women's shoes and you will see how freaking real that part of the movie is. No, not all men are rapists, but every single woman growing up in this culture knows that any man COULD be. We live in a world where anywhere from 25% to 40% of women have experienced sexual violence and anyone who hasn't knows at least one woman who has. We are surrounded by it every single day! We grow up seeing and hearing that it could be us any day now. We are taught never to walk alone, never to leave our drinks at bars, always have some sort of weapon available, always lock our doors - always, always, always be prepared for the fact that some day, some man is going to hurt you and it could be any man. We live with this every minute of our lives. When you live with that from the second you are born, don't you think that Cheryl would be scared of men she meets alone on the trail? Of course, she's going to be wary.
I loved these parts of the movie, even though they scared the piss out of me, because it showed how different it is for a man walking that trail than a woman. It showed how this was something she had never thought about when making her plan to walk the trail and then it hit her smack in the face as soon as she got into trouble. As a woman, she needs to be scared for her safety, particularly if she is relying on someone for help. I have had these experiences, though not as extreme, when traveling alone. Several times I've been in situations where I suddenly realized that I was vulnerable and this could all go very badly very quickly. It kept me from doing a lot of things because I didn't want to be in a situation where I couldn't get away. The actual intention of the men involved in these situations means nothing because we have no way of knowing that. We have learned that, for our own safety, we have to expect that we cannot trust.
These parts of the movie were very real. And it makes me really sad because I had the though that if that was something I would love to do (it's not, but I have often traveled alone), I would be terrified to do it because of being a woman alone and vulnerable. I probably wouldn't do it for that reason.

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Oh my god!!!!! The men on this thread who are complaining about the portrayal of men as dangerous need to sit down and shut the f up!!!!! Walk a couple of miles in any women's shoes and you will see how freaking real that part of the movie is. No, not all men are rapists, but every single woman growing up in this culture knows that any man COULD be. We live in a world where anywhere from 25% to 40% of women have experienced sexual violence and anyone who hasn't knows at least one woman who has. We are surrounded by it every single day! We grow up seeing and hearing that it could be us any day now. We are taught never to walk alone, never to leave our drinks at bars, always have some sort of weapon available, always lock our doors - always, always, always be prepared for the fact that some day, some man is going to hurt you and it could be any man. We live with this every minute of our lives. When you live with that from the second you are born, don't you think that Cheryl would be scared of men she meets alone on the trail? Of course, she's going to be wary.
I loved these parts of the movie, even though they scared the piss out of me, because it showed how different it is for a man walking that trail than a woman. It showed how this was something she had never thought about when making her plan to walk the trail and then it hit her smack in the face as soon as she got into trouble. As a woman, she needs to be scared for her safety, particularly if she is relying on someone for help. I have had these experiences, though not as extreme, when traveling alone. Several times I've been in situations where I suddenly realized that I was vulnerable and this could all go very badly very quickly. It kept me from doing a lot of things because I didn't want to be in a situation where I couldn't get away. The actual intention of the men involved in these situations means nothing because we have no way of knowing that. We have learned that, for our own safety, we have to expect that we cannot trust.
These parts of the movie were very real. And it makes me really sad because I had the though that if that was something I would love to do (it's not, but I have often traveled alone), I would be terrified to do it because of being a woman alone and vulnerable. I probably wouldn't do it for that reason.


Totally agree with this post.

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Me too

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No, not all men are rapists, but every single woman growing up in this culture knows that any man COULD be.


That's fear-mongering you've been fed by Left-wing propagandists. Why exactly would you think that ANY man could be a rapist?

Especially when the overall statistics show that you're:

1. 3.3 times more likely to have your vehicle stolen than be raped.
2. 4 times more likely to be robbed than raped.
3. 9.4 times more likely to be burgled than raped.
4. 6.6 times more likely to be defrauded than raped.
5. 7.8 times more likely to have your property vandalized than be raped.
6. And 55.9 times more likely to encounter someone driving under the influence than be raped.

It's kind of weird because rape is actually one of the crimes that's over-played in the media compared to the actual statistics. This isn't to say that it isn't bad, it is. It's to say that rape as a crime is only more prominent than embezzlement, arson, and illegal gambling, but less so than almost every other major crime you're far more likely to experience in life than rape.

We live in a world where anywhere from 25% to 40% of women have experienced sexual violence and anyone who hasn't knows at least one woman who has.


This is actually a misconstrued number, especially since up to 10% of all reports of rapes turn out to be false:
https://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/2012-03/Publications_NSVRC_Overview_False-Reporting.pdf

That means the actual statistics about actual rape cases could vary wildly, and the most broadly used numbers are oftentimes spouted by agenda-pushing Left-wing media outlets.

Of course this isn't to say it isn't happening, but when it turns out that some studies are purposely skewed to give you that 40% number, you can see how there's actually more of a culture to create a fear than the actual rape culture that allegedly exists:
https://reason.com/2015/07/28/campus-rape-stats-lisak-study-wrong/



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If you're a guy, it's expected of you not to understand. It's natural for women, traveling alone, to fear this when encountering strange men. This has nothing to do with feminism, but the safety of women. Women are taught, at a young age to be weary of men.

Ask any woman, she'll tell you the same thing.

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Women are taught, at a young age to be weary of men.

I think you meant wary, not weary, but you gave me a laugh.

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BUT, what I don't think is necessary are the constant interactions where she has to fear for her life that a man will act violently just because they are alone and she can't protect herself


I don't know what planet you're living on, but, that's how I am day to day too even without hiking in the woods. I mean...I tend to do a lot of things alone and so yes, male interaction typically does send up an instinctive initial red flag. That just is how it is. There is a constant looming fear. 

I'm not a male basher either. But, that is the world women live in. it's a realistic portrayal to have that initial fear/sense of threat/guard up particularly with her traveling alone. If you didn't like it, then, just be glad that for you it's just a movie ;P

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Yes. This is the sad truth about the world we live in and apparently there are still people (men) who are too blind to see it.

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I agree to most people here that it is only realistic. I have done multiple-day bike-trips on my own and there have been some weird situations. When I hike alone, men I meet on my way often give me looks that are really awkward. I am no anxious person, but as a woman this is just a constant thing, if you like it or not.

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As a man of course you don't fear being raped. You are a non-target and this would not be a worry in your life or mine. Women always have an uneasy feeling when they are alone anywhere. My wife gets uneasy jogging around our safe neighborhood.

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99.9 percent of men don't have any interest in raping you, even if you're young and thin and blonde and alone in the wilderness. "The world we live in" that has been repeatedly brought up here is a world of irrational paranoia.

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