on men's sexuality.
feminists only consider women's sexual needs valid. that men sexualize women's breasts is a natural sexual habit men have.
what do women consider sexy on men, should we men battle women over it?
how about if a woman likes another woman's breasts, is that a crime too, or is this just a war on men?
this isn't about sex, its about equality. Men can be topless without being arrested, censored, or shamed so should women. Breasts aren't inherently sexual, their primary purpose is to feed babies. Their sexual aspects are secondary, like many other body parts frequently exposed without bing labeled obscene or "nudity".
Your free to like women's breasts, just like women are free to like men's abs. The aim here is to take away the taboo so its not such a big deal, like women liking abs...
.......... of course, doing so would put tens of thousands of women all across the nation at topless clubs out of work. I'm sure they have a voice too. Oh wait, they don't count because they don't align with the "feminist's point of view." I think it might really be because none of the typical sucker guys would give penny to the "feminists" that want to "equally bare their breasts!"
shareYes, the idea of selling breasts as a commodity is OK but wearing them to feed babies or just get cool on a hot day is not is pretty insane. It won't eliminate their sexualization, like how topless men can still be sexualized, but it will greatly reduce it.
are their not such thing as clubs where men work topless? Maybe not as many but its still a thing. You'll still have full-nude strip clubs...
Oh wait, they don't count because they don't align with the "feminist's point of view."
Another example of a "radical"
.....someone who protests and attacks w/out the slightest idea, or care, of who or what they're attacking if they've the slightest thought someone else doesn't absolutely agree with them, just to be "heard."
You show me ONE feminist who agrees with a woman who makes a living showing off her "assests."
Do some feel trapped in that lifestyle? Absolutely, just as there are men and women everywhere that feel trapped within their line of work, whatever it is. I've known many dancers in a doz states, and a large majority of them are extremely pleased with the aount of money they make. Another arguement to dispell: "They can only do it while their young. What then?" Is that any different then the young men doing brutally laborious work, and certainly can't into their 30's?
I am saying that there is not 1 single feminist who would align with a woman that believes it's her right to be in that line of work. They sytematically condemn it, and refuse to acknowledge them because they do not agree with their views... same as with most any radical protester.
...and for your information, I absolutely and wholeheartedly agree, and support, the right for everyone to be treated equally. But too, too many "protesters" are the biggest hypocrites there are. They want "equality" but only so much as it's what THEY say it is. Most feminists are no exception. If any woman voices an opinion contrary to their beliefs, they either ignore them or condemn them.
Another example of a "radicle"
..someone who protests and attacks w/out the slightest idea, or care, of who or what they're attacking if they've the slightest thought someone else doesn't absolutely agree with them, just to be "heard."
You show me ONE feminist who agrees with a woman who makes a living showing off her "assests."
Do some feel trapped in that lifestyle? Absolutely, just as there are men and women everywhere that feel trapped within their line of work, whatever it is. I've known many dancers in a doz states, and a large majority of them are extremely pleased with the aount of money they make.
Another arguement to dispell: "They can only do it while their young. What then?" Is that any different then the young men doing brutally laborious work, and certainly can't into their 30's?
I am saying that there is not 1 single feminist who would align with a woman that believes it's her right to be in that line of work.
They sytematically condemn it, and refuse to acknowledge them because they do not agree with their views... same as with most any radical protester.
...and for your information, I absolutely and wholeheartedly agree, and support, the right for everyone to be treated equally.
But too, too many "protesters" are the biggest hypocrites there are.
They want "equality" but only so much as it's what THEY say it is.
Most feminists are no exception. If any woman voices an opinion contrary to their beliefs, they either ignore them or condemn them.
...radicle...auto-spell error, spelling stored from some plant biology research...
should be "radical" I'll correct.
Now... to the heart of it...
"Third Wave Feminism" it seems there IS a group (clearly suppressed and silenced by mainstream, as I'd never heard of it until now, most unfortunate)
and here is a quote from Wiki:
For example, many third-wave feminists have reconsidered the opposition to pornography and sex work of the second wave, and challenge existing beliefs that participants in pornography and sex work are always being exploited
It seems like you and a few of the people you know have had negative experiences with what you equate to feminism. Although no one can ask you to value it; I think there are somethings that are misunderstood.
As it deals with exotic dancing or even escorting, the voices who label themselves as "feminists" that object are from an older school of experience. Instead of looking at the present and working back; let's start early and work our way forward (as that best represents history):
In the earliest days of the sex industry, women were vastly disenfranchised. Consider that the nineteenth Amendment wasn't passed until 1920. That was the level of voicelessness women had and that was less than 100 years ago. If only by virtue of being born female that a citizen not have the right to have representation, imagine how every other facet of their lives were controlled by men. While all this seems political; it's mainly cultural. One would have to believe that a woman's voice did not have currency in the democratic process to legally restrict it.
Now this is conjecture on my part and feel free to dispute it, but women were essentially property of either their fathers or their husbands. And when it came down to the sex industry, it was controlled by men for the entertainment of men. Some would say that women were treated not much differently than livestock and with limited power in both politics and employment; women were highly susceptible to exploitation. This was the aspect of the sex industry Women's Liberation was against and believe it or not, at that time it was beneficial for women.
Just like any other part of civilization, it evolves. It's easy to imagine that women who grew up in a time where men primary profited on the exploitation of women that women could still hold a negative view. But today more than ever, women have more control over their bodies whether they dance on stage or sell their time if they choose. It all makes perfect sense in its context and you don't have to value a point-of-view to understand it. I think if you or your friends ran across these "mainstream feminists" that object to stripping, a simple conversation would benefit everyone involved. (Especially if you're talking to someone in their 50s or older), you'd probably hear a lot about how hard it was for sex industry workers before the 1990s and you could give a perspective on how much it has changed today.
....no difference of opinion here...
Though, interestingly enough, many years ago, a g/f of mine and I moved to a VERY "Southern" city in GA to help someone who was opening an "adult entertainment" club, (her as a dancer & I as an asst mgr) soon after the GA Supreme Court changed the laws to allow it. Now, there was, unsurprisingly, this horde of people picketing and objecting, and I'll never forget, this group of 4 older women, easily in their 70's, came in saying "those idiots!" about all the picketers! And these 4 little ol' ladies stood up in the crowd of patrons, whom were at least 40% or more female, and all were yelling out things like "You go, girl!"
It was a sight to see!!!
in most places it is already legal for women to go topless, but they refuse to.
that is the issue, instead of women getting over their own reticence about being topless in public, they choose to attack men.
Most places? I wouldn't consider NY and about half a dozen cities in the States "most places". Even in those places women still get erroneously arrested for doing it. I don't see anyone attacking men specifically, maybe attacking the overall culture, which is still largely run by men. Though women are a large part of the problem too, perhaps just as much.
shareI wouldn't consider NY and about half a dozen cities in the States "most places".
Even in those places women still get erroneously arrested for doing it.
which is still largely run by men.
women are a large part of the problem too, perhaps just as much.
Feminism as a part of cultural marxism, tries to redefine the gender roles. They want to turn heterosexuality in to something that is not. They want to turn men and women against each other. Women do not get to decide what men find attractive any more than men get to decide what women find attractive.
sharefeminism just shows the childishness of women ,this movement is just back firing on women because .The reality is women need men and vice versa ,its cutting off your nose just to spite your face .
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