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Entertaining but so wrong (spoiler)


Overall. I gave this 7/10. However the relentless slaughter in the last half hour started as shocking but then became a bit boring.

There was little point in hoping your favourite characters survived when everyone was getting killed. The demise of Archer Kid and his potential girlfriend was the final straw for me. The slow-mo of the arrow vs bullet battle I found quite moving though.

The killer's determination, and the fact he was strolling round with just a shotgun mercilessly blowing people away, thankfully made it cartoon-like rather than thinking about the horror of what was going on.

If it hadn't been so comically OTT, we'd probably have the psychos of recent years claiming 'Aku no kyoten made me do it' as a defence.

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I agree with you, stemal-1. I had a blast with the movie actually, but felt a bit bad about it considering all the real life cases of shootings in schools. But Miike likes to offer films that are entertaining while being very disturbing at the same time. Ichi The Killer was similar in that sense, as he presented cartoonish violence which was always followed by "realistic" violence that puzzled and questionned his audience. Lesson of the Evil was more of a character study about a psychopatic teacher, but despite being much less over-the-top than a movie like Ichi The Killer, I felt like it still questions the audience in a way. In the end, though, this remains a movie, and if some people would be sick enough to reproduce that and have the nerve to say it was their inspiration, I would never blame Miike, like I would not blame Kubrick for the copycat crimes that followed the release of A Clockwork Orange or the murders that followed Oliver Stone's Natural Born Killers.

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Loved Ichi, and thanks for the reply.

Me, you and others can judge a film on its merits. But the 'film/TV show/album/book made me do it' defence (excuse) unfortunately has been used and probably will continue to be.

I'd be interested to know if anyone has got off using it?

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Interesting question. To my knowledge, I have never heard of somebody who got off the hook so to speak in a legal manner by blaming an outside influence like a movie/book etc. Some people, who were judged irresponsible of the crimes commited because of a mental illness that twisted their reality to a point where they did not know what was right and wrong anymore, might evoke an influence from a movie/book etc but even then it has never been directly linked as the direct cause of a crime from what I know. If I remember correctly, the people who cited Natural Born Killers as an influence for their crimes ended up in prison and the movie itself was never established as the cause of their crimes, even though Oliver Stone was "judged" partly responsible by some trashy tabloids and simplistic media people. Another example would be Marilyn Manson who was severely critizized following the Columbine massacre if I remember correctly, but again he was never legally blamed I believe for his albums and songs and nor should he.

Personally, I think only the creators of a propaganda movie which would directly incite people to heinous actions could, and probably should be judged partially responsible for subsequent crimes, but even then the responsibility will always return to the person who committed the crime for me, no matter how you turn it around (except if the person who committed the crime truly did not know what he/she was doing at the time). Fact is, a lot of criminals know what they are doing, know that it is wrong but yet they do it anyway, and no film/book/tv show or work of art in general is responsible for that.

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I absolutely adored the surrealism, and the stylization; it's everything I love about Miike, he was at the top of his game with his style in this one. It reminded me of the movie Videodrome, but even more wildly stylized and delirious in tone. Which is... really not appropriate for a movie about, basically, a school shooting. I found this juxtaposition sincerely disturbing!

I suppose I experienced something similar with Ichi the Killer and Visitor Q – the pushing the limits of bad taste and the amount those managed to make me cringe while still being so gleeful about it as to be compelling and discordantly entertaining sort of because of it... Like the, er, raincoat scene in Lesson of Evil, probably the best scene in the movie: the way it was done oh my god; I wanted to laugh it was so ridiculous, but I couldn't; it was also evoking, deliberately, these real life tragedies, and my mind was in such a conflict over what I was seeing. But I guess that's the point: it's shock cinema at its best, it's exactly what Miike was going for – I think you're right about him wanting to question the audience – and it's maybe even what makes these movies of his so extra-compelling. This movie is profoundly wrong, but I can't help kinda loving it despite – if not partly because of – that fact.


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