SEASON 3 SO BORING
Why has it come back? What's the point, I am really struggling to get through these episodes and there's still 2 more to go!
shareYou are free not to watch the remaining 2 episodes. That would prove your point that Season 3 is boring.
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I have watched the first 2 seasons and really enjoyed so out of loyalty I have to see it through to the bitter end. This one is dragging like a dogs a*se with worms. Are you enjoying it?
shareVery much so. I'm riveted to the screen as I watch it, I think about details and mysteries afterwards, and I can't wait for the next episode.
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Fair enough, I'm just not feeling it myself. It is coming back for a forth season without Dornan so for you, it's good :)
shareI get it why you think its boring because this season have so many hospital scenes but Alan Cubit is too much about details. I find its more gripping since Paul wakeup and we saw same backup story about what Paul's go through. Well I am looking forward if there is a 4th season of it. I am interested in Alan's work none of either actors wouldn't matter. Screenplay/writing should be strong.
shareThe third season is definitely more meditative or ruminative - instead of watching two predators preying on each other the show seems to be more interested in praying for Spector's lost soul.
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I read that it's over.
There wasn't even supposed to be a season 3.
Season 3 is better than all of them. They get inside the criminal mind. If people want 'fast' watch Criminal Minds for a nice little 45 min spin around the track. This is excellent. AND the moment he tossed the money with the note it secured the fact his is not only lucid and aware, as if his reaction to what he's done wasn't enough, to what's going on around them. The acting by Jamie is stellar and Gillian has stepped back into her monotone black pumps well. Bringing on the shrink to, and it has to happen, get inside both their heads, is brilliant. The script is excellent. The pace is 'European' but you can't miss a frame because it most likely is a tight budget so they use every single to story-build. I'm transfixed. I don't want it to end. I'd like for the next season to be about her. Because like it or not, whether she knows it or not, her mistakes are motivated.
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I know I read it online but for the life of me I can't find the link. All it said was Jamie Dornan would not be returning for season 4.
shareIt was discussed during the S3 Q&A that Spector wouldn't return. They also said that they wanted to continue the series with Stella but it was up to the BBC.
shareAlthough this series has been poor I think it has still got legs for another one.
shareAlthough this series has been poor I think it has still got legs for another one.What are those legs? Where do you think it could go? Will Gibson be demoted, investigated? I seak-watched, actually listened to it at work because unlike you I didn't find it boring. Its pace is more real-life than say, Criminal Minds, or NCIS, or any other "American" cooper chases bad-guy series. It's one of the reasons each scene, and frame, actually, is a character study.
I'm curious about The Money. 1) Where did he get it; 2) What was its meaning; 3) Why wasn't it a focus by story-tellers? I suppose in hindsight it was a precursor to the ending; 4) Why was Burns drinking; 5) How could she avoid the mess the flowers made on her table? Were they new or there for ages? 6) What were the questions by the head-doctor guy about?
Those are for starters. I hope "Wallander" (Krister Henriksson) comes back in the next episode. I thought his part was well done same like in "Wallander" and his approach to interviewing Paul done particularly well in how they simply accept the damage, but his saying, IMO, that Paul can't be cured was just one more, along with Gibson's rejection, that made him want to escape life rather than the facility.
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There were hints that Specters legal team might create problems for Stella, but they never materialized.Maybe they're left for S4? I've also a lot of questions myself beyond the lack of security of having a serial killer in custody and not restrained in the room with his imprisoning agent, Stella.
There were a couple of subplots like that which stopped dead, like the internal investigations probe into the shooting of Specter. I was glad actually that nothing came of that. I thought it was absurd of IA to hold the police accountable for the actions of that criminal who shot him.
The police could have taken extra measures, such as issuing ballistic vests for the prisoner and the officer assigned to guard him, so IA could reasonably cite them for that oversight. But they did take many precautions so it wasn't as if they were grossly negligent in the matter.
I thought they were over the line in charging that the police should not have brought Specter along to show them where Rose Stag had been abandoned in the car. He was needed to show them where to find her, and saving her life should have been the primary goal, not the complete safety of the prisoner.
I don't mean the police don't have a responsibility to take measures to ensure the safety of prisoners under their care. They do.
But taking a calculated risk with the prisoner in order to save the life of one of his innocent victims should be the highest priority.
Since we never heard more about the IA investigation, perhaps that was the determination they reached.
Actually, it was more than rejection from Stella that sent Paul/Peter to take his life. I thought he was going dress as an orderly and leave. Maybe Jamie had input into that and didn't want to come back. Frankly, it's a VERY dark role and alongside his 50 Shades of Gray he's going to get stereotyped so I understand. But he was fantastic in this.
But he actually thought they were kindred spirits. The old like attracts like and she'd be up for more mind games. Her coming down on him like she did triggering his psychic break. Like August, saying his life could become manageable with treatment but his emotional wounds can't be healed, but managed, due to the fact its a kind of post-traumatic stress disorder in that he was a victim of his mother's own illnesses, deception, neglect in that she gave him a whopper for a birthday present apparently an immature parent. He felt as he said to the shrink, responsible for her death and she his problems, that he didn't love enough, and that's how they feel. And like the shrink said, the behavior is some sort of relief, but that never works.
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@GSW, I watched the new season only once, but I'm pretty sure it was Peter/Paul's nurse who gave him the 20 pound note. What this compassionate, well-meaning lady wrote on it seems to me a very apt summary of how the characters act in the show and what motivates them: Peter/Paul is incapable of true love, hence he is doomed to "abiding in death". As to the flowers, well, they dried up, but Gibson bought a new boquet. ;)
I think this was an amazing season, like the first two. And I'm not sure what people expected. More stranglings of women? Would that be so entertaining for the viewers? Or seeing Spector getting scot-free? But how? He's not bright enough, except in his own mind. He botched practically every killing we know about and the police had enough evidence to can him.
As to the future of the show, I hope Gibson will investigate a new case in a different city, though I have to admit Belfast proved to be a fascinating location: with its legacy of perpetual conflicts and aggression, it seems like a perfect place to highlight the contagious effect of toxic masculinity and women who, consciously or not, enable it.
Hey thanks, I guess I missed that bit. But I guess my point was Gibson gave us a hint of a smile. I think she saw him toss it? But she picked it up, read it, then that was that. I thought it would have been 'evidence' of something other than his need to kill himself.
I like Jamie. I get it. He was excellent in this. SAG award, People's Choice, and all that... he's good. But the few flashbacks we had were enough to show that he was inside her head. And his head wasn't right and never could be. Love is impossible for psychotic killers. They're animalistic, predators. They will use anything and everything they can, people are objects to them. When they no longer need you, even after establishing a rapport or 'friendship' if you can no longer service their need, their plan, whatever, you are gone.
I would have liked a trial and more getting inside his head or maybe more between the two similar characters, as they are, like that or not. One acts in and the other acts out.
What was interesting is how thinking securing himself a wife, having a kid, settling down in a home, helping others perhaps, getting 'normal' job, a 'life,' would somehow make him normal. But like the title said, he's a solitary man. I understand this and many of us do who've come up with challenging pasts. But his urges are primal at that point to his core. When they rise he needs relief. And it isn't about sex, but control. Always about control. They can go for long periods of time before that itching builds up again. We saw the escalating presented by him and August, the shrink.
But I guess my point was Gibson gave us a hint of a smile. I think she saw him toss it? But she picked it up, read it, then that was that. I thought it would have been 'evidence' of something other than his need to kill himself.
He tossed the note to prolong his "game" with Gibson. Problem is he was not in a position to continue the game. And I don't even think he was in "need" of killing himself at that point. As to Stella, her smiling and pinning the note could indicate that she understood more than just the word "death" in that inscription and that she's still capable of/open to love.
But the few flashbacks we had were enough to show that he was inside her head. And his head wasn't right and never could be. Love is impossible for psychotic killers.
In her head? As a potential menace, maybe, but nothing deeper than that, I guess.
I think season 3 was necessary to show the fallout of Peter/Paul's actions and, even more importantly, how other characters deal with the consequences of their actions. The contrast couldn't be more pronounced. Stella may be perceived as aloof, and yet she made peace with every person she may have wronged: she explained herself to Anderson, she hugged Paul/Peter's daughter, she tried to save Sally, she apologized to Rose. She is empathetic, thoughtful, caring. Spector, a victim of the past, but also a pretentious "genius" wannabe, was never interested in anyone other than himself. On the other hand, look how many people on this board demonize Stella and extol the vile killer's "love" for his daughter. I think it's great that the show accentuated the difference between redemption and lack thereof so strongly. And I'm glad that Cubitt did not write trial scenes because to me there's nothing particularly interesting about Spector's head. share
The nurse did slip Paul the note when they were standing at the foot of his son's bed. Shortly thereafter he is cuffed (hand stays closed) and taken out of the hospital via wheelchair. He tossed the note when he got to the clinic, the message having no value to/effect on him. He had no idea anyone saw him quickly flicking it away (how could he know Stella was inside, watching, awaiting his arrival?). Stella saw his arrival on the CCTV screens and only saw "something", a small motion of his hand. She happened to look down or think about that motion when she left the clinic and that's the only reason she found the note.
shareThe note said, "He that loves does not abide in death."
I get the sense the nurse was smitten with the handsome patient and couldn't believe this easy going gentle man could do any of the abominable sadistic things to women. And for a while I was like, wait, she fits type, where are they going with this?
Anyway, back to the note. Based on the aboveI feel she gave it to him because she saw him as he wanted her to which was his goal all along to be seen as a kind and loving father. So she felt he was capable of loving. So if he loved his children, wife, then he was ahead of the game. And in death, he will be loved by God or something like that? Not bringing religion into it just the fact she thought him capable of loving. His action with the note answered that. He tossed it away to further game-play with Gibson and smirked while reading it.
Addressing his looks. Many of our most damaged individuals alive and dead are the highly attractive. So many that are that good looking don't have to work too hard to get what they want so fail to bond emotionally. That's a whole different story but using Jamie was perfect. But you can bet when he looked in the mirror he did not see what we did. He saw a freak of nature, a demon.
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And I'm glad that Cubitt did not write trial scenes because to me there's nothing particularly interesting about Spector's head.We got inside his head. That's what season three was all about. And little did we realize it Spector was getting inside Stella's head as was August.
Boundaries are usually crossed fairly easy with abuse victims. In this case, it was wise Allan showed how that was with Paul and his mother sleeping or cuddling together. Partly to show how safe he felt which made her exiting his life all the more shocking along with providing him the feeling he didn't love her enough. But Paul took the lack of respect for boundaries to a whole new level with what started with voyeurism. And through August we find out how that escalated. We also find out about the lingerie's significance. How through it feelings arrived that made him feel lonely, jealous, and, eventually angry enough to step up his emotional releases through his demented behavior.
Remember this, "Viewed from a psychodynamic perspective, even the most apparently insane violence has meaning to the person who commits it."
Trouble was IMHO, August Larson did not heed Stella's warning.
Question. How could you not find it interesting what's going on inside Spector's head? What propelled him to dress as a transvestite or the other sorted things he did, which all the clinical names evades me, and act like he does? Even when he's doubling as normal? No curiosity?
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I'm in the USA and just watched this...
Current season main cast and creator, director, writer, producer (all the same person ;)
https://youtu.be/u1oEA1D2NFw excellent...
Live...
https://youtu.be/YOVfS0D8yWo
Allan Cubitt speaks about season 3...
https://youtu.be/OFeMYmHL6N8
On the will to live...
https://youtu.be/YOVfS0D8yWo
Creator Allan Cubitt... in how he created the show and whom he used for reference...
https://youtu.be/CaR3qtmM8tg
Another filmed by audience member so be warned it's blurry and hasn't very good sound. They talk about the 'obsession' with each other (main characters) that many, I feel, mistake as care...
https://youtu.be/C9eGUImIriw
Has the Pasley interviewing crew been altered to getting this cast onboard? They need to. It would be filmed proper and be much better quality. I think someone should initiate that. They do all the big shows. Just put in (your show) Pasley interview and enjoy...
I enjoy listening to people who can speak their minds 'on their feet' -- this is not me. :( I'm an outgoing introvert who can 'speak' better by the written word.
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who thinks some viewing of Paul Ekman's micro-expressions might be helpful onward... Jamie and Gillian were great with subtleties yet could have been better if he showed more micro expressions of our seven emotions (YouTube of Lie To Me trailer for show... https://youtu.be/cdoCNZuHQpY
There was 3 videos, did you get to watch all of them?
shareThere was 3 videos, did you get to watch all of them?Yes, and then some. Kind of let the natural order of YouTube do its thing. Just watching both actors one can easily see what Allan saw especially in Jamie. There's a shyness about him that could be his being reserved, his upbringing, schooling, or hopefully not what he said when he looks at his face. Eek! Gillian is a pro at this point so it's excellent Jamie eventually got to work alongside her.
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We got inside his head. That's what season three was all about.
Not really. The 3rd season was about many other things, too.
And little did we realize it Spector was getting inside Stella's head as was August.
She had nightmares in the earlier seasons, too. We have to remember that Peter/Paul is not the first serial killer in her professional life. And I'm not really convinced he was in her head that much. I think her investment in him was of a very specific kind: certainly not sexual, but very much connected with how his family's situation reflected her own. At the beginning of season 3 it seems that there is a tiny chance for improving the lives of the people the scumbag destroyed, in particular the daughter: Stella understands what it means to lose one's own father, and maybe (I'm just speculating here) she has a sliver of hope that Peter/Paul will make sure his own daughter is not bereft. Alas, Peter/Paul never cared enough about Olivia (not to mention how natural it is for him to "forget" the existence of his son Liam). And remember what he says in the very first episode of the show to a mother that couldn't get over her son's death? “I don’t see bereavement as ever being resolved or accepted. There’s no closure, no recovery.” The clues as to what he will eventually do were there from the very beginning.
Trouble was IMHO, August Larson did not heed Stella's warning.
Him and many others did not heed Stella's warnings throughout those three seasons, with awful results.
Question. How could you not find it interesting what's going on inside Spector's head? What propelled him to dress as a transvestite or the other sorted things he did, which all the clinical names evades me, and act like he does? Even when he's doubling as normal? No curiosity?
I'm a naturally curious person, but Peter/Paul wasn't that interesting IMO. Yet another poseur with pretensions to unearned greatness. Did you notice how angry he got when Katie disdainfully asked him whether he reads Dante in Italian? He chose a drawing by Doré as a wallpaper on his computer, but does he realize that it shows eternal punishment for people who pretended to be someone else? It's all laughable, really. If anyone had any delusions about him, they should have vanished by the end of season 1.
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Not really. The 3rd season was about many other things, too.Duh, ohm, yeah... I know that.
I take it you don't like his character. I get that. I suspect you're glad he's dead and won't return. I, however, wished he'd sputterd to life to get put on trail. I'm with Gillian his offing himself was too easy.
Him and many others did not heed Stella's warnings throughout those three seasons, with awful results.Again, a given.
I'm a naturally curious person, but Peter/Paul wasn't that interesting IMO. Yet another poseur with pretensions to unearned greatness. Did you notice how angry he got when Katie disdainfully asked him whether he reads Dante in Italian? He chose a drawing by Doré as a wallpaper on his computer, but does he realize that it shows eternal punishment for people who pretended to be someone else? It's all laughable, really. If anyone had any delusions about him, they should have vanished by the end of season 1.Prentions to unearned greatness? Where do you arrive at that from your examples? He is a man with compulsions to hunt. To bind, torture, kill. His need to be in control, for me, far outweighs any lofty characteristics. With Katie, it's more like she's not prey nor someone he wants to be with. She's an annoyance? A toy? And eventually Spector realizes he shouldn't've brought her into his darkness, which is very Dante-like, "All who enter the house of woe..." or whatever he raps on about because as we see she comes to own a blind faith towards him that will only lead her down a rocky road. Besides he's her 'first' in a lot of ways and that, well, is critical somewhat.
I don't find anything laughable about Spector, his issues, or how he carries them out or what all he's preoccupied with when alone. And frankly, IMHO, to laugh is like people who watch horror and laugh as a defense / coping mechanism and deep feelings of anxiety associated with what's happening. The danger Spector represents.
What exactly do you like about the show at all? Stella herself is damaged with 'Daddy' issues. And mirrors a lot of Spector's emotional limitations, which I hope they leave vague but explore at the same time. He did, like or not, read her dream journal.
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Prentions to unearned greatness? Where do you arrive at that from your examples?
From watching the show, remembering the conversations he has at the end of season 1 and season 2. He tries to sell Gibson some laughable BS about being free from conventional morality and the two of them being alike. No, they're not alike and Spector is not free, because reading and quoting Nietzsche, and being vile to people does not equal freedom. I also have an impression that as a reader (and a former student of literature) he merely takes what he finds convenient to take from his readings and his reading of Stella's dream journal is no exception. He found there only obsession and categorized it as erotic, but the two entries we actually saw for a brief moment in season 1 are not sexualized at all. As to Katie, she might be a toy, but that's not the point. In the scene I was talking about, she ridiculed him quite a bit and he couldn't take it.
What exactly do you like about the show at all?
Many things - the consistent writing of the characters, the tightly woven narrative parallels, the "orchestration" of themes in the three seasons, the work of both directors, the use of Belfast locations, the soundtrack, and the focus on the consequences of the characters' actions - just not Spector. share
In the scene I was talking about, she ridiculed him quite a bit and he couldn't take it.Tween arrogance gets to me too and I can't take it. Shh, tell no one. ;)
I agree with the last paragraph.
I guess the future episodes of The Fall will be more to your liking... hopefully.
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Yeah, I like the series a lot. I hope they continue the show with a new case.
I just finished watching season 3. While I enjoyed it, I thought it lacked the excitement and drive of the first 2 seasons. But I still enjoyed it.
There were hints that Specters legal team might create problems for Stella, but they never materialized.
There were a couple of subplots like that which stopped dead, like the internal investigations probe into the shooting of Specter. I was glad actually that nothing came of that. I thought it was absurd of IA to hold the police accountable for the actions of that criminal who shot him.
The police could have taken extra measures, such as issuing ballistic vests for the prisoner and the officer assigned to guard him, so IA could reasonably cite them for that oversight. But they did take many precautions so it wasn't as if they were grossly negligent in the matter.
I thought they were over the line in charging that the police should not have brought Specter along to show them where Rose Stag had been abandoned in the car. He was needed to show them where to find her, and saving her life should have been the primary goal, not the complete safety of the prisoner.
I don't mean the police don't have a responsibility to take measures to ensure the safety of prisoners under their care. They do.
But taking a calculated risk with the prisoner in order to save the life of one of his innocent victims should be the highest priority.
Since we never heard more about the IA investigation, perhaps that was the determination they reached.
writetopcat, I'm right there with you on this! Absurd indeed! As for the pacing of the show, I think it served a a purpose in the end even for those who found it tedious. Without that slow pace the end would have been far less impact-full in my opinion. It almost lulled you into a false sense of security until you were brutally jarred into remembering that Specter is a seriously dangerous and twisted mofo!
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