Take Away Segel's Ego from this Franchise and it Flies!
... By Jimminy Christmas, this was a vast improvement on that last one.
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The last one was good too!
MovieChat Forums > Muppets Most Wanted (2014) Discussion > Take Away Segel's Ego from this Franchis...
I agree. Last one was too serious. I've posted this before but themuppets were seen through Jason Segal's eyes. It was in no way a bad film and Segal is the only reason the muppets have made this comeback. It was he who got disney to bring it back and the only way that was going to happen was with someone like him involved.
But yes the new one is clearly more in line with classic muppet films with the humans taking a backseat to the muppets not the other way around.
Plus the music in this one is so much more fun. Both films have great soundtracks but this one pops more and you can tell they had and we have had much more fun.
My original post may be seen as trolling and I regret that as I did enjoy the last movie. What the last movie seemed like was an auteur filmmaker's vision (even though Segel didn't direct but write) of his life and hopes through the nostalgia of an entertainment from his youth. This is a very European arthouse way of dealing with what might be seen as trivial, childish obsessions (the French film 'Voice of the Beehive' had the director recount a childhood tale with the old Universal monster movies as a reference point, for example)
Segel made a half-Muppets/half-nostalgic trip down memory lane - I imagine his obsessions must be late 1970s kids' media as Mickey Rooney from 'Pete's Dragon' and Shelley Duvall from 'Popeye' made cameos.
In summation, I still insist that 'Muppets Most Wanted' is the better entertainment. It's also a further sign that a 'Flight of the Conchords' movie may short,y wing its way to us!
I didn't think Muppets was too serious. It had a lot of good laughs in it. It was also acknowledging that the Muppets weren't as popular anymore. They hadn't been on screen in over a decade. I disagree about the music though. Muppets had some good touching songs, while Wanted had 2 (the gulag and interrogation).
shareActually, take away Segel from this franchise and it flops!
shareagain... you have a really angry stick up your butt about nmuppets... lol...crazy stuff... what's so sad about you is jim henson wanted muppets to live on without him... he wanted disney to take it... he wanted others to play with it... the writers, producers, song writer, director... all the same as the last film... brian henson loved it... brian henson said his dad would love it... and people like you (fail but) try to take it all away... try to hurt jim's vision... and evil muppet you are...
jason segal was a good guy who used him minimal star power to bring muppets back and achieved it... he gets great points for that... his friends (stoller the writer, bobin the director, mckenzie the song writer) worked with him... he didn't want to be the next jim henson... he didn't want to be the star of all muppet films becasue he's not a muppet... and they were all too happy to continue with another film... probably the best muppet film since Manhattan... though i dont think there's actually a bad muppet film
disney will still make money from muppets... just not as much as the last one and if you were any muppet historian you'd know muppet films dont soar at the boxoffice (other than the original)... the great muppet caper and Manhattan were not hits... they make their money later on dvd and merchandising and it's been written about in those exact terms that the last film got greenlit for those reason...
so be grumpy and sad and angry... jim is sad because of you evil muppet man... but hes happy the muppets are living on beyond him
Here's the thing: It is one thing with Henson no longer being there because he passed on too soon, but remember, he was just the Muppeeteer. You didn't see him, just heard his voice. Even when he was alive, I heard comics who could do Kermit's voice just as good. Segal was a performer in The Muppets so you saw him with Walter and his character was similar to Walter in about taking responsibility and growing up in life. Also, since this film is a continuation of The Muppets, you sort of need to explain him not being there. If he just showed up at the end, that would've been fine. He didn't have to be in the whole film. As a matter of fact, if I had been working with him on Muppets as director or whatever and he didn't return, I wouldn't have either because I would feel it wouldn't work. That has happened in other franchises too, Michael J. Fox in Back to the Future and now Oscar nominee (and probably winner) Michael Keaton in Batman.
shareI agree about that. He should've been involved at some level. He didn't have to appear in it, although an ending cameo would've been good, but maybe his writing was what made the previous film smart.
shareThat was feist not shelley duvall.
shareThe first one made more money and got noticeably better reviews from both fans and critics. Now, I happened to like both of them, but I think you're interpretation of "ego" is way off.
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I didn't think so. I guess there will always be a debate on that. I think he should've been involved at some level. No, he didn't have to appear even in a cameo, but I think his writing probably made The Muppets better.
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